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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 2:06:44 GMT -5
Ive been one of the top members of all empires for years now... I have also seen my writings posted by review journals. I know what it means to be a member of such a forum.
UN is not a historical site nor does it distribute sources. In fact, UN makes a thing about separating modern and historical events. I asked for scholarly journal articles that have the reviews of the given sources used. Do you have any review? What "world scholars" accept is that. Not UN, not EU not US.
Admin never contradicted me, ever, because he doesnt have the brain to. He attacked my description of something, which was actually well accepted when I posted it as a topic on Allempires... how about it? Idiots didnt like it, smart people did. You wouldnt even know how to judge the argument, whether who is losing or winning. You automatically side with admin since my views are not exactly appealing to you. You have no real ability to evaluate otherwise.
PS: I already posted a source for you to start with. The article is a pretty good summary of archeological finds in western Greek settlements. You can start there. Though I know reading is tough for a greasemonkey.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 2:11:45 GMT -5
Have you ? I never seen you there at allempires !
By the way try posting this over there and see what happens and when you do I'll let you know who I am so we can have a good laugh AT YOU;
A greasemonkey is one that isn't open and receptive to reality and tries force their agendas on others...NOW PISS OFF
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 2:14:43 GMT -5
Youve never seen me because Im not exactly the same person there that I am here. Here is requires a more a-hole approach then there.
Like I said, I brought you a source for that claim. Im not going to post it since if you actually dont know who I am, i dont want to be called out. But you post it, and after a sufficient amount of posts, Ill start giving my take.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 2:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 2:21:40 GMT -5
Aw fuk it. I know your not good at reading: This was the case for most communities. Many of these previous settlements seem to have been routinely scanned by Greek prospectors prior. After a period of trade there would be a full attempt at a colonization. This usually involved the clearing of the land from locals. Land that seemed good for trade was commonly occupied by others (Greeks didnt invent trade). In many cases the locals managed to beat off the first attack or the second as well. However, after a time, they would be broken down and absorbed. The social dynamic between the two groups afterwards was always that of a master-slave/conquered-conqueror. Concepts of the barbarian and savage (playing especially prominent in the Odyssey) gave a sort of excuse to such treatments. Most of the major colonies had strong native aspects to it (Syracuse had an entire island that would be for a while populated by natives until the city grew and absorbed it).
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 2:27:10 GMT -5
Two things here, you want me to read your articles from your own scribd account ? And a wiki as a source ? Please...........This is how propagandast work.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 2:31:30 GMT -5
Get your fcken scribd accounts filled with propaganda articles out of here and conform with reality or GTO.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 8, 2009 2:33:02 GMT -5
Meltdown what is the message of this, do you think thats the relativization of the turkish massacres throughout history now? You must be a really big retard...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 2:33:24 GMT -5
I simply post articles that I run across and find interesting. I dont do it with any other intention. Ive been meaning to update it but never got around to it. Like I said, I posted a full article. Judge it for yourself. Boardman is an esteemed archeologist from Cambridge University... Interview. findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PAL/is_531_163/ai_n16462480/You very clearly show just how ignorant you really are if you think I can somehow subvert scholars' articles. Im not arguing the massacres, which, as I said, can be argued, but rather whether or not Turks should be able to celebrate a particular moment in their history within their own city, populated by their own people. To say that it 'pisses of the Greeks' is not valid since the Greeks should damn well get used to it...
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 8, 2009 2:47:51 GMT -5
I really get angry everytime I read the Turks used the Albanians to suppress people.... Then these retards have the nerve to call us genocidal... They want to have their cake and eat too... Oh why do you hate us..why do you call us tourkoalvani...why this why that... GFY's.... to the ones that came from families that perpetrated crimes against innocent civilians... You have the balls to ask questions about the Chams... oh did I say GFY's? wow, arqilea really lit up a fire under your a$$ with his unbiased sources didn't he? your reaction typifies greek mentality really, you read part of a well concocted greek propaganda and get pumped up and start calling us genocidal...oh how humanity weeps for you... just because albanians were noted warriors and the balls to rise up the ranks in the ottoman army is not an indication of action undertaken by an albanian nation, you committed genocide and massacres when you were a proper state, with a blood spilling agenda at the helm and unleashed your army to terrorise the arvanites and chams, you set in motion and laid down the mould for a cultural and identity wipe-out, you closed down all albanian schools, took their property and imprisoned people for speaking albanian...if that's not fascism i don't know what is, when albanian camera crews go to film in Cameria they get followed by greek secret services, do you know that arvanites to this day are afraid to speak their birth tongue? Oh why do you hate us..why do you call us tourkoalvani...why this why that... GFY's.... to the ones that came from families that perpetrated crimes against innocent civilians...you're the crybabies, you're the one's whose greed knows no bounds, you are the ones who keep victimasing youselves, you're the ones who desperately seek our sympathy, we don't give a sheet about greeks hating us, as a matter of fact i want it to be just like that, i will not stop despising you till the day i die.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 3:02:09 GMT -5
Aw fuk it. I know your not good at reading: This was the case for most communities. Many of these previous settlements seem to have been routinely scanned by Greek prospectors prior. After a period of trade there would be a full attempt at a colonization. This usually involved the clearing of the land from locals. Land that seemed good for trade was commonly occupied by others (Greeks didnt invent trade). In many cases the locals managed to beat off the first attack or the second as well. However, after a time, they would be broken down and absorbed.
The social dynamic between the two groups afterwards was always that of a master-slave/conquered-conqueror. Concepts of the barbarian and savage (playing especially prominent in the Odyssey) gave a sort of excuse to such treatments. Most of the major colonies had strong native aspects to it (Syracuse had an entire island that would be for a while populated by natives until the city grew and absorbed it). His credentials check out ok, BUT it's your way of putting things. He clearly doesn't state what you did as bellow by you; "seem to have been ejected" those other words are yours and not his or anyone else's...Am I right ?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 3:11:56 GMT -5
I said in many cases. I was showing an extreme of what can happen during these colonizations. In areas like gaul for instance, where Greeks had a difficult time setting group, harsh measures against locals were at times adopted in order to make an example of the rest. Such measures were also followed in what was initially the Axine Sea but later became the Euxine.
This wasnt the universal move, but it could be something that occurred and did if the locals were belligerant enough.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 3:46:54 GMT -5
Melty maybe you just exaggerate things little would be the right expression here. Huge differences btw “seem to have been ejected” and “were entirely exterminated” and “people or entirely wiped clean” as put by you which is still your baseless opinion so are many others.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 4:05:45 GMT -5
I didnt add my opinion. My opinion would have been "I think they were expelled because". I have only uploaded articles for southern Italy. But studies in other places (like Gaul or what is today northern Black Sea coast), reveals far more problems with locals. In many cases there were outright exterminations of*given settlement, where violent clashes were found... (meaning the locals resisted the attempts). This is particularly striking in the territory of modern Ukraine and Romania, where we note more than one attempt to try and found a particular settlement. In other areas, like Capua, in southern Italy, the Greeks were actually ejected from the settlement and their city was re-dominated by locals.
In other zones in north Africa, we note occasions when the locals admitted a Greek settlement (to play it off against Carthage) or managed to kick them out by war. Celts in southern France, and Thracians in the area of Byzantium did similar, or Illyrians with Dyrrachium.
That is not my opinion. Unlike you, I dont rely on small clips. You have the rest of the article to read to get a picture of nearly all settlements.
Eitherway, do you condone the action against locals? Do you said that is it okay to eject them from their homes?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 8, 2009 4:13:40 GMT -5
Btw, you said those books were accepted by scholars "around the world".... and yet you havnt provided a single backup to your claim. Where are the reviews Arxi? Those books, if truly scholarly pieces, would have had reviews. They can easily be found if you just google the book. Cmon, man, backup your claim!
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 8, 2009 4:40:28 GMT -5
I really get angry everytime I read the Turks used the Albanians to suppress people.... Then these retards have the nerve to call us genocidal... They want to have their cake and eat too... Oh why do you hate us..why do you call us tourkoalvani...why this why that... GFY's.... to the ones that came from families that perpetrated crimes against innocent civilians... You have the balls to ask questions about the Chams... oh did I say GFY's? wow, arqilea really lit up a fire under your a$$ with his unbiased sources didn't he? your reaction typifies greek mentality really, you read part of a well concocted greek propaganda and get pumped up and start calling us genocidal...oh how humanity weeps for you... just because albanians were noted warriors and the balls to rise up the ranks in the ottoman army is not an indication of action undertaken by an albanian nation, you committed genocide and massacres when you were a proper state, with a blood spilling agenda at the helm and unleashed your army to terrorise the arvanites and chams, you set in motion and laid down the mould for a cultural and identity wipe-out, you closed down all albanian schools, took their property and imprisoned people for speaking albanian...if that's not fascism i don't know what is, when albanian camera crews go to film in Cameria they get followed by greek secret services, do you know that arvanites to this day are afraid to speak their birth tongue? Oh why do you hate us..why do you call us tourkoalvani...why this why that... GFY's.... to the ones that came from families that perpetrated crimes against innocent civilians...you're the crybabies, you're the one's whose greed knows no bounds, you are the ones who keep victimasing youselves, you're the ones who desperately seek our sympathy, we don't give a sheet about greeks hating us, as a matter of fact i want it to be just like that, i will not stop despising you till the day i die. wow, kanaris really lit up a fire under your a$$ didn't he? your reaction typifies albanian mentality ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 8, 2009 4:59:57 GMT -5
Fieri09 "Oh why do you hate us..why do you call us tourkoalvani...why this why that... GFY's.... to the ones that came from families that perpetrated crimes against innocent civilians...
you're the crybabies, you're the one's whose greed knows no bounds, you are the ones who keep victimasing youselves, you're the ones who desperately seek our sympathy, we don't give a sheet about greeks hating us, as a matter of fact i want it to be just like that, i will not stop despising you till the day i die." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First of all.. we dont hate Albania as a country. If we hated Albanians.. none illegal immigrants would be in Greece today... and not even 1 euro would be given to Albania. We both know the last 20 years Greece gave much to Albania and got nothing back. So.. you cannot describe Greek policy as hateful. Now if you speak about Turkalbanians that represent a part of Albanian population.. and a big part in internet posts.. yes there is hate from the Greek population. Who likes jackals afterall.. ?
If we seek sympathy from you? Yes. Like we look for the sympathy of all our Balkanian neighborhs since this is the only way Balkans to become Scandinavia. We want to live in a hate free and prosperous environment and since Greece is the more advanced culturally and economically country in the region... it is the one who will make the first move. Yes we have to accept that we talk with peasants with 19th century mentality.. but that is how thing are when you have a Phd and you live in a village. Thats the environment in Balkans and that is what Greece is doing. We make steps back... we dont demand... we accept every stupidity comes from every villager in Balkans... we speak about no changes in borders when every Balkan post commounist country is dreaming of an empire etc etc but.. its us the ones who will do the first move. So yes.. we want your sympathy too in order to achieve a peacefull neighborhood. Now what if you dont want to give it.... then let it be. Greece can handle succesfully a full war with all Balkanian countries together. Thank God we know where we live and we got very much prepared for the Balkanian stupidity. So Fieri09... giving you the hand and asking for sympathy by your neighbors is something you should be happy for.. and not seeing it with your backward Balkanian mentality as something to manipulate or exploit. Try to stop thinking as a post commounist peasant and start thinking as a visionary European.
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 8, 2009 5:04:17 GMT -5
wow, kanaris really lit up a fire under your a$$ didn't he? your reaction typifies albanian mentality
not really, its what i've maintained all along, i'm just being honest.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Jun 8, 2009 5:19:35 GMT -5
This celebration on the Conquest of Istanbul is not a big deal in Turkey. There are hardly news on it.
Hiya mate long time, how are you ?;D Yeah, been a long time. I am fine and well. How are you by the way?
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 8, 2009 5:40:55 GMT -5
Yeah we uprooted cave men same way the white man uprooted Indians... There's only a handful of people that know anything about those extinct peoples you talk about ... and outside Albanians no one ever heard of Illyrians either or give a chit... Only desperate pathetic peoples would make such claims. As far as Turks farming out Albanians like ants farm out aphids... it's universally known..Albanians were always ready with kneepads in hand to please any new power that came to the region... weather it was the Turks or the Nazis in WW2... now it's the Americans... funny thing is they always get the bone....literally...
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