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Post by macmako on Oct 7, 2009 18:54:03 GMT -5
That would be a great name. But do you think if this name is used, the Greeks and Turks would claim the Bulgarians are having expansionist ideas?
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 7, 2009 19:08:51 GMT -5
I think they do not have any reasons to do so. The rest of Thrace would be as regions in Turkey and Greece (called i.e. Turkish Thrace and Greek Thrace). Same like as we have our regions of Makedonia, both in Bulgaria and Greece.
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Post by macmako on Oct 7, 2009 19:13:14 GMT -5
Yes, of course. It would work.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 7, 2009 19:27:50 GMT -5
Of course.. and first then Thracia, Makedonia and Greece will prosper - in peace. Ruse is now vomiting bile though.
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Post by macmako on Oct 7, 2009 19:33:57 GMT -5
I am a bit confused about Bolgar/Bulgar. Is Bolgar a people and language in which the Bulgarians came from or is that just folklore? I always thought that the Bulgarians were a people originally from Central Asia, and that those original people spoke a language that is now extinct, and that the Bulgarians started speaking a Slavic language first by using Old Slavonic. Is there any remnants of the original Bolgar language?
Correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 7, 2009 20:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah, it's quite confusing, isn't it? Modern Bulgarians do not belong to any Bolgar/Bulgar ppl from the steppes, more likely our origin is local. I want you to remember very well that fact, because it's of vital impostance when looking at our folkrore, culture, customs -it is domestic, balkanian one.
Yes, steppe Bulgars were originally from central Asia. They came and settled in the northern parts of the country, the region of Moesia, in relatively small numbers (compaired to the locals). After creating the new state of Bulgaria (in the old territories of Thrace), the entire population received a new identity - Bulgarians. So there is a quite a difference between the steppe Bulgars and the citizen called Bulgarians today.
No, as said, over the years the steppe Bulgars get absorbed into the local population.. hence the slavonic speech was predominat at that time, bulgars could not keep or establish their own language here.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 8, 2009 0:33:55 GMT -5
Rhezus, just your view on this:
I beleive in the Thracian element in Bulgaria as well. How did the locals adopted slavic language?
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Post by macmako on Oct 8, 2009 6:31:37 GMT -5
Rhezus, just your view on this: I beleive in the Thracian element in Bulgaria as well. How did the locals adopted slavic language? I believe the Old Slavonic (or Old Macedonian, depending on what recension is talked about) language was introduced to the Bulgarian Empire by students of the two Apostles Cyril and Methodius, when they were expelled from Great Moravia in 885. They were expelled by the Pope because he prohibited Old Slavonic in favor of Latin.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 8, 2009 7:15:21 GMT -5
^^ Thracian tribes have been Slavicized, after the Slavic settlements to the south of the Danube, they merged for certain period and coexsisted after the 4th-5th century AD.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 11, 2009 11:24:00 GMT -5
^^ Thracian tribes have been Slavicized, after the Slavic settlements to the south of the Danube, they merged for certain period and coexsisted after the 4th-5th century AD. Why were they slavicized?
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 11, 2009 16:07:37 GMT -5
Just because.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 11, 2009 16:38:29 GMT -5
^^ Thracian tribes have been Slavicized, after the Slavic settlements to the south of the Danube, they merged for certain period and coexsisted after the 4th-5th century AD. Why were they slavicized? Cause they had nothing to be proud of... and nothing to hold on... usually you can train peoples to accept an invaders language when theirs was weak...
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 11, 2009 17:15:26 GMT -5
Kanaris, you are very wrong when saying such a nonsence. We have much to be proud of all Thracian culture here. The Slavics and Thracians wanted, accepted and merged with each other. Slavs did not settle in Thracia only, but all over the balkans, Illyria, Dalmacia, Panonia etc. And notice, they did not want to do that with any Greeks, probably you were too different.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 11, 2009 17:17:11 GMT -5
You should have stayed Thracian.. and spoke their language and alphabet and occupy the land they were on.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 11, 2009 17:27:16 GMT -5
We are still Thracian and we occupy the lands (with small exeptions down south.. where borders changed). The speech is secret, so that's why we use slavonic only.
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Post by Kanaris on Oct 11, 2009 18:37:35 GMT -5
We are still Thracian and we occupy the lands (with small exeptions down south.. where borders changed). The speech is secret, so that's why we use slavonic only. Ayup! ;D
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 12, 2009 4:52:39 GMT -5
Now in EU, nothern parts of Greece are getting closer to Bulgaria.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 12, 2009 12:08:28 GMT -5
;D Speak us some thracian...
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 12, 2009 12:34:51 GMT -5
Now in EU, nothern parts of Greece are getting closer to Bulgaria. ...or... southern parts of Bulgaria come closer to Greece..
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Post by ioan on Oct 12, 2009 13:32:32 GMT -5
Or Greece is geting closer to Bulgaria and vice versa and that is a good thing. Remember how Germany and France from enemies turned into practically one state thanks to EU.
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