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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jun 1, 2009 13:39:09 GMT -5
^ Thats what you guys did in the 70's and 80's when Kosovo was autonomous. The only reason I want the Serbs expelled is because they'll never accept Albanian rule. If they did they would be more than welcome.
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Post by leshte on Jun 1, 2009 15:08:37 GMT -5
There's no reason to expel a group of people at any point in time, even though they have done that to us in the past. We are different from them, we are not them. Who wants to stay let them stay, whether they like us or not. We should strive to always win the moral battle, because it is only through being humane and moral that we break the vicious circle, that way we'll have the backing of those who fight for a better world and for freedom rather than the likes of Kim Jong Il, AhamdinAjad, Castro, Chavez or Putin. Let them have these and let us have the backing of the free world like we do now.
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Post by donnie on Jun 1, 2009 15:33:30 GMT -5
Same thing. Still doesn't make it right, and it was still unprecedented in the light of Albanian-Serb relations. Period.
Actually, if we treat PDK and AAK as the political successors of KLA, we can conclude that they're not the only parties present in the parliament; you also have LDK, AKR, ORA etc. Even Serbs, Gypsies and others.
People weren't attacked for merely "hanging out". They were usually collaborators of some sort. And just like Serbs collaborating with the KLA would be targeted by you Serbs, so were the Albanians who somehow assisted the Serbs in opressing our people.
And I'm sure all the crimes and the killings perpetrated by the Serbian army is a hoax too ... we've heard it before, you aren't coming with smth new.
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 1, 2009 16:14:06 GMT -5
You are talking about 2 different things now. You are the one who compared Serb thoughts on Jovanovic being pro independent kosovo with the KLA killing or kidnapping Albs accused of being traitors. You are clutching at straws. You chose not the watch the videos didnt you? One of them that talked in it was an Albanian woman with her kids. What an evil opressor. Whats that got to do with what you quoted lol? What i showed was a large scale organised rescue by Serbian army and police, which you tried to portray as an isolated incident by a few policemen before i showed you the video. Now you say I'm sure all the crimes and the killings perpetrated by the Serbian army is a hoax too" lol what are you talking about? we werent talking about any hoaxes to begin with. I dont deny Serbs committed crimes, mostly in retaliation for KLA killing Serb police and civilians. Mostly after the bombings started. Which is exactly what the KLA were doing before that in 98. Like for example: Serb army kills 31 KLA weapon smugglers Later that day the KLA shoot up Serb teenagers at a bar in retaliation. Or maybe it was all a hoax?.... too LoL
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Post by donnie on Jun 2, 2009 5:27:00 GMT -5
You missed what I was comparing. Just as you might not like "tolerant" & "friendly" Serbs, we might not like all too "friendly" Albanians who are "brotherly" with you guys. Perhaps a political representative like Cedo wasn't sufficiently illustrative for you, but there are other examples. Like Divjak .. or other Serbs who fought and died along Bosniaks in the defence of Sarajevo. You moght lie and say you have nothing against them, but most Serbs do. I saw it. It is as trustworthy as that interview done with the captured KLA man, interviewed under gunpoint. That woman knows what the Serbs are all about. There are hundreds of "interviews" like this made by the Serbs on how Albanians allegedly opress their own people ... and yet still it is the Serbian army that is unpopular, and KLA insignias seen everywhere as symbols of our current freedom. Intriguing, don't you think? That documentary has the value of a turd sandwich. The most blatantly pro-Serb angled documentary I've ever seen with staged interviews and falsified facts. Meaning it's all BS. Serbs acting benevolently towards the Albanian civilians, "victims of Nato bombs", is a propaganda stunt motivated by self-interest and advertisement- Why else would they kill & rape them when the cameras were off? Nato bombs and KLA attacks were merely used as excuses. The Serbs would often conduct massacres in villages where no KLA was present, long before Nato bombs began (how does Nato's bombs justify the killing of innocent civilians?), like the massacre of the Deliu family in the village of Abri of Drenica; www.independent.co.uk/news/grisly-proof-of-massacre-found-in-well-1179839.htmlThe youngest victim was a six week old baby, Diturie Deliu. So your "retaliation" card isn't valid. This, and the videos below, is what people in Kosova will remember you for, not some staged propaganda video of your policemen "saving" us;
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 2, 2009 7:30:06 GMT -5
You are beating on the Divljak thing like a dead horse. I had to look him up to remember who he was. Thats how much he matters to me. We did not kill him, if Serbs kidnapped or killed him after the war for example for being a "traitor" then you might have a point. Fighting for the enemy and visiting your neighbours are 2 different things though. So first they were traitors who collaborated with the Serbs and now they were forced by the Serbs to take those interviews. Make up your mind. So first it was an isolated incident and now its a propaganda stunt. Make up your mind once again. You might run out of excuses soon. How does killing weapon smugglers justify the killing of innocent civilians? We can go back and forth here. Again you are assuming that im justifying things. As i said i dont deny it all happened. It is a fact most of the killings started after the KLA started causing trouble and after the bombings started. The first recorded refugee came on the 28th of march. After the bombings started. The lies before the war about 100 000 Albanians dead or missing and thousands of Albanians cramped in stadiums awaiting execution were all proven to be out right lies. Id say thats sad and all but i think ill be like you and act like a child in denial. Those videos have the value of a turd sandwich. The most blatantly pro-Alb angled documentary I've ever seen with staged interviews and falsified facts.
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Post by donnie on Jun 2, 2009 7:45:16 GMT -5
Divjak wasn't killed because he wasn't caught. And where do you get your information from, "people killed for visiting neighbours", your so called documentaries?
I said those who were killed were collaborators/traitors. Those we see on the documentary on the other hand were forced to say those things ... it would be pretty stupid by Serbs to document their (real) friends, i.e. the collaborators/spies. Do you uderstand better now?
Actually, they don't negate each other. It can both be an isolated event (i.e. Serbs actually helping, because they were indeed helping in this isolated case, regardless of the motive) and motivated by self-interest and advertisement, i.e. to show the world that Nato is the agressor and that they (the Serbs) are heroes, because they even help the Albanians. Anymore clear?
Inflated numbers is common thing among all sides. You Serbs still claim a million dead during World War Two.
Still. fact remains, you're trying to justify yourself. You succeed in contradicting yourself in one single post, by saying "I am not justifying anything ... but, KLA this, KLA that" -- that's you trying to justify the massacres on innocent civilians. The KLA incursions and Nato bombs are irrelevant, unless we were talking of a massacre committed on KLA soldiers. We're not. We're talking of massacres like that of the Deliu family. Committed in cold blood and unjustifiable. The bombing campaign merely served as a coverup for the operations to come.
You're really the one going back and forth, trying to justify your historical existance by finding similiar paralells outside this context and blaming your own army's activities on KLA and Nato. It's ridiculous ... and pathetic. And above all; a broken record!
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 2, 2009 8:48:34 GMT -5
Caught by who? You yourself didnt deny the documentry and tried to justify it by saying they were traitors. Then you changed your whole tone by saying its all set up propaganda. You did not say that untill i pointed out there were women and children talking in it, afterwhich you changed your tone and your excuse. Nice try though. Yep why wouldnt Serbs tape it? Albanians taped their own suffering that doesnt mean they set it all up. They just took advantage after it was already happening. Thats what we were brought up to believe from Tito's govt to get more commpensation after the war which every country did. Very different from the US's exagerated claims to start bombing. That is what you brought up after i showed KLA killing teenagers. (Which occured in 98) You ignore it and simply retaliate by showing your own video's. Quite immature You did not just bold that!
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Post by bob1389 on Jun 2, 2009 9:03:14 GMT -5
Very well said Skoric, you have all but won this epic debate.
To disagree with the case you have presented here you would have to be rather dimwitted, uninformed and Albanian (pretty much sums up the people you are dealing with here)
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 2, 2009 9:05:34 GMT -5
The fair and balanced judge has spoken. I think we're done here
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Post by donnie on Jun 2, 2009 9:28:10 GMT -5
I think you're talking to yourself now, Skaric. Where did I do what? That the documentary is BS is smth which I concluded long before.
When speaking of traitors/collaborators, I wasn't refering to the documentary. Where did you see that? As I said, it would be pretty stupi to expose your spies and collaborators on TV. Not even you Serbs are that lame.
LOL, again speaking nonsense and missing the whole point ...
Of course. Everything is different with you.
Actually, I posted the video not in retaliation for you posting the video of those Serb teenagers, but rather the propaganda video of Serbs helping Albanians. To show the true nature of the activities of the Serb army and police in Kosova.
Sue me!
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Post by SKORIC on Jun 2, 2009 10:23:19 GMT -5
Bob has spoken Donsta. Accept the egg on your face and move on.
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Post by donnie on Jun 2, 2009 10:44:51 GMT -5
Didn't see her flawless judgement ...
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