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Post by greekslav on Dec 23, 2007 11:43:48 GMT -5
You do no justice to yourself with that kind of reply. But, be it as it may, I am stuck with you and our brethren. I will attempt to make the best of a difficult situation.
Merry Christmas, Kastorianos.
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 23, 2007 12:50:05 GMT -5
Keep your pretended kindness for yourself....if you want to do us a favour f.uck off from here.
In this spirit: Merry Christmas.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 23, 2007 15:11:14 GMT -5
Come on guys..it's the Christmas season.. let's give it a rest... AH....how many nicks you have.... 50?
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 23, 2007 15:14:22 GMT -5
I think that we have found the Greek forums Korcar. lol
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Post by Niklianos on Dec 23, 2007 15:40:56 GMT -5
That is to easy. You will only prove that there is only one way dialogue here. You will only prove that many have no ability for discussion and debate. I have been waiting for a long time for many Greeks here to have a professional dialogue with me. I have only been continually met with disrespect and slander. Question it. That is what our ancient fathers did. Why has so many Greeks forgotten? DIALOGUE? What dialogue GS? You were asked a direct question and you totally ignored it! How is that dialogue or discourse? So would you like to answer the question? Did you say those things? Did you say the Slav-Macedonian have been around for 2500 years? If you did you are a hyrpocrit. Especially after all those times you have stated neither the Greek nor the Slavs have any such claim! So what is it? Are the Ancient Macedonians a distinct ethnicity or are have they merged with the Slavs who invaded the region in the 6th century?
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 23, 2007 15:48:35 GMT -5
I think he said it to spite you guys..without really meaning it.... How many times you want to spite someone and say bullchit? Just ask AlbHoney... she wrote the book on it.
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 23, 2007 18:01:01 GMT -5
i think he's double faced,mike...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 23, 2007 21:30:01 GMT -5
I banned you because you're an obnoxious person.... thats all nothing personal..... in fact in my entire 6 years here..I have banned 4 people and 2 of those were you... ;D
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Post by greekslav on Dec 23, 2007 23:51:55 GMT -5
Let examine together some of the excuses for getting out of a discussion or debate:
Excuse # 1 “You’re getting so angry and/or emotional I just can’t talk to you in this way”
[Real meaning; Passion for an issue isn’t allowed. I can’t handle any more truth, my dishonesty may be exposed, or my ego may get bruised….. plus I may start showing my anger or emotions, (which is not good for image) so I won’t talk to you anymore] . . Excuse #2 -“You are too serious. “Lighten up!” “Relax!”
[Real meaning: Life is just a game. I can’t handle any more truth, my dishonesty may be exposed, or my ego may get bruised…plus I may not be able to hide my feelings and emotions. This may cause me to lose my image, so I won’t talk to you anymore. If I am proved wrong it would mean a fate worse than death, my ego will be deflated. In other words, “I don’t care what the truth is, my ego must stay intact!”. My soul and the world situation may be shouting at me to listen, but I don’t hear those callings anymore. There are far more important things to do, such as my job, mowing the lawn, making more money, or buying things that will impress the neighbors.]
Excucse #3 – “You‘re rude“. “You are being abusive, stop that!”
[Real meaning: Everything that I don’t agree with is a personal attack. I can’t handle any more truth, my dishonesty may be exposed, or my ego may get bruised…. plus this is a great manipulative tool which shifts the focus away from the subject matter to the people talking, therefore ending the important discussion. It also matters not to most if the remarks made were true or not. It only matters how they feel about it.. If they feel uncomfortable, then all discussion must end, for personal comfort is all that matters in the universe. Being straightforward and honest is then made out to be abusive. What a perfect excuse to avoid the truth.]
Excuse #4 – “You are a dumb ass, a liberal, a terrorist lover, (or any other label)” Actually any name calling or insult will do…they are completely inter- changeable.
[Real Meaning: I’ll personally attack you rather than address what you have to say. I can’t handle any more truth and my dishonesty may be exposed, or my ego may get bruised, therefore I will insult you and get the attention away from the subject and from my dishonesty. I will turn this into a verbal, personal boxing match to show my power and to distract you from any important points made.]
Excuse #5 – (changing the subject with another subject) This is the most common technique for being dishonest. It reflects a deliberate attempt to ignore points made. People will go so far as not listening at all. There isn’t any cover up in using this manipulative tool, it is obvious and blatant, but because most do not care for the truth, it is accepted and allowed.
[Real Meaning, The points you‘re making make me nervous.- I can’t handle any more truth and my dishonesty may be exposed or my ego may get bruised, plus I don’t like what is being said, and I am more important than any point that can ever be made.]
All these excuses have one common purpose.. That is to distract from the subject, or change it completely, to avoid any upheaval to the status quo. They are all designed to keep a fearful society and all it’s arbitrary and egotistical rules unchanged, because that which is fearful is what resists change with more fierce determination than any other force. These excuses are nothing but clever ways to still feel like a victor in any situation, and, (as we all know) competition, image and ego take precedence over all else in the modern world.
So rather than speaking of subjects for the sake of finding out truth, most discussions are now an exercise in a battle of wills. People realize at some level when the truth is being sacrificed, but in this culture, we‘re taught that our feelings are far more important than what is real, even if reality is about to destroy the world. They don’t want to acknowledge this, because their image will be hurt. If they were wrong, or they feel uncomfortable therefore, any excuse will do as long as it changes the subject and distracts. It is simply saying, “I feel comfortable with my point of view, and since my comfort is more important then truth itself, I will change the subject.
When many of you threw truth out the window for the preservation of ego, DEBATE had become extinct in these forums. Once you introduce truth, we will be able to debate once more. It's that simple. How about it?
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Post by greekslav on Dec 23, 2007 23:56:02 GMT -5
When someone has the clarity and courage to just be honest, they are often looked upon as cruel, or, so alien that what they say is just not applicable to society at all. “Cruel” in this case refers to the unvarnished truth about the way things really are. Because the honest person doesn’t “play the game”, that makes them the vicious outsider to those in the status quo, even someone to be despised and shunned. And then we have the biggest conceptual lie of all time, the one upon which all others in the modern world are based….. that there is NO Truth, only, “your truth and my truth”. The result of this false belief is a worldwide denial of Universal Truth and Natural Law itself. We tend to assume we’re above the truth, or simply, that it’s easier to believe that there is no such thing, so that our responsibility is made null and void.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 24, 2007 0:19:51 GMT -5
GS..this has nothing to do with being truthful... right now you're emitting negative atmosphere irrespective of weather you are being positive.... I am not asking you to give in or change just try not to be as obtuse around this particular subforum.
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Post by ioan on Dec 24, 2007 0:25:16 GMT -5
Actually Greek Slav=Bulgarian. Why? Cause Macos are Bulgarians. Plus Macedonia lies in the lands of the Peonians, not Macedonians so: Macedonians=Peonians (Thracians)+Slavs+Bulgars of Kuber Bulgarians=Tracians (Bessi, Misians etc)+Slavs+Bulgars of Asparuch So Macedonians=Bulgarians So in a way he is ight. Bulgarians are Greek Slavs or at least Slavs that are most heavily influenced by the Greeks culturally, politically etc.
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Post by greekslav on Dec 24, 2007 0:39:44 GMT -5
GS..this has nothing to do with being truthful... right now you're emitting negative atmosphere irrespective of weather you are being positive.... I am not asking you to give in or change just try not to be as obtuse around this particular subforum. My fellow Greeks have been respectful to me only in the beginning. Then someone asked me my background and I answered truthfully. Since then, it is my Greek brethren that have been negative toward me, Mike. I did not start anything with them except for being honest. And I continue to be honest. You are accusing me of something I have not done. I have posted mildly or at least much milder than the attacks on me. Yet you accuse me of having a negative tone, and do nothing with the attacks on me. Now, why am I not surprised, Mike? In turn, none of my brethren here has ever tried to engage in debate or discussion with me, without resorting to some kind of disrespect. So I post something about the art of debate, just to show excellent examples of what has been done here concerning the lack of debate. It rings so true and the examples are excellent, as you can see. So, why are my brethren unable to have a logical and intelligent debate with me? I have no freakin' clue, Mike. It is beyond me. They can do what they want, attack me all they can, but it does not change anything and it proves nothing. It only does a great disservice to themselves. Just do not turn it around and say that I am the one being negative.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 24, 2007 1:24:11 GMT -5
Reread my post... you missed something....
Also,I am sure you have noticed the Albanians are using you as a pawn towards the Greeks.... and you're obliging them, that doesn't go to good for the moral around here I wouldn't mind if we had a few more from the Former Republic around but to hear Albanians tell us what is wrong is a smack in the face in light of what is happening with that ethnic group in the Republic...and what they think of other Maces...
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Post by greekslav on Dec 24, 2007 1:35:06 GMT -5
I know what you said.
Look at this thread, Mike. Is everyone so unoriginal that they have to bring something from another forum to this one? It belongs there and it should stay there. You know that if I speak the truth about anything, that it is used againest me. And you know that if I tell what they want to hear, that they also use it againest me. So who wins? I do, of course. Think about it.
If those that give me so much attention would take the filters off their eyes, they would see and understand much clearer. Hell, they may understand me much better, too. Who knows!!!
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Post by greekslav on Dec 24, 2007 1:37:44 GMT -5
I do not oblige anyone. And there. You are quilty of it, too. Diversion. Please, Mike. The Albanians are doing nothing to influence me here. Try that trick with a kangaroo. It does not work with me.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 24, 2007 1:42:17 GMT -5
Oh,I think they understand you... some just don't want to make you feel good... by telling you.
Listen I am sure one day we will look back at this and be less pessimistic about it..like I said right now is not the best of times to bring certain subjects up.... we only hurt each other.
Aside from that .... what are you doing for Christmas?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 24, 2007 6:11:30 GMT -5
"go discuss with your slav fara and stop playing the intelectual, you are ridiculing yourself....im stunned you havent noticed that, yet...you want discussions in disguise of antigreek attitudes, the problem is everyone is aware of who and what you are...stay away hypocrit!"
That is so true Kastor, l've noticed that usually an aggressor will cover himself as an intellectual. I haven't yet seen Greekslav comment about the flaws of FYROM!!!!!
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 24, 2007 7:50:35 GMT -5
oh,oh,i see...u were a "macedonian" national over there and greek over here...your ideas differ depending on the forum you participate each time...it seems pretty logical to me.
oust!
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Post by Red Brigade on Dec 24, 2007 8:11:16 GMT -5
Tone it down.
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