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Post by greekslav on Dec 24, 2007 9:30:11 GMT -5
Oh,I think they understand you... some just don't want to make you feel good... by telling you. Listen I am sure one day we will look back at this and be less pessimistic about it..like I said right now is not the best of times to bring certain subjects up.... we only hurt each other. Aside from that .... what are you doing for Christmas? I am chillin' for Christmas with family. When I can, I take the 12 days of Christmas and relax, ending with the Epiphany, and returning to work on 7 Jan. Have a Merry Christmas, Mike.
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Post by grksdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 17:06:33 GMT -5
"Most Greeks here and on other forums are not capable of respectful and professional discussion with me. Politics always gets in the way."
See that statement alone will get Greeks angry. From the second you came in here you have talked down to Greeks and acted as if you are a special person. If I did not know any better I would think you were Hillary Clinton in disguise.
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Post by slvsdied4you on Dec 27, 2007 17:24:24 GMT -5
" From the second you came in here you have talked down to Greeks and acted as if you are a special person."
Yes I agree with you , give him 40 lashes and make him recite the Greek national anthem backwards word for word.
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Post by rex362 on Dec 27, 2007 17:30:21 GMT -5
singing it backwards would reveal satanic messages probably
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Post by Niklianos on Dec 28, 2007 19:30:34 GMT -5
GS you keep speaking of "the Truth", but WHO'S truth? Yours? Albanians, FYROM's, Turks, WHO'S? According to you it is your 'truths' that are correct and the Greeks truth is nothing but Nationalism! So to others you come across as very arrogant and anti-Greek.
You must realize that your truth is ONLY true to you and not others. This is when Archaeological records and historical accounts come into play. These things are what helps distinguish which truth is more accurate than the other. You are basing your truths and your opinions on a loose interpretation of the Hard Evidence and available sources.
if you could acknowledge these facts you may get more respect from the Greeks in here.
List of un-questionable evidence. Thus TRUTHS.
1)The name Macedonian is Greek. 2)The only known language the Ancient Macedonians spoke is Greek. 3)The vast majority of the Ancient Macedonians(95+%) are Greek. 4)The Ancient Macedonians spread Greek culture and language to the known world. 5)The Ancient Macedonians worshiped the same Gods as the other Greeks(Olympian Gods). 6)All epigraphical evidence found in the territories of Ancient Macedonia all support Greek being the main spoken language. 7)All archaeological evidence found in the territories of Ancient Macedonia support the Greekness of the Macedonians. 8)The Temenids(ruling house of Macedonia) ALL claimed descent from Argos in the Peleponnese. 9)The Ancient Macedonian names for the months are in majority identical with the other Dorian speakers of Greece. 10)The Ancient Macedonians were allowed to compete in the Olympics. 11)The Ancient Greeks all fought each other at one time for supremacy of the region and dominance in trade.
Do you accept these as truth?
Now for the questionable evidence. These are the ones that can be interpreted by OPINIONS.
1)That ALL Greeks considered the Ancient Macedonians as Barbarians? 2)That the term 'Makedonisti' refers to a language and not dialect? 3)That the Ancient Macedonians had an unknown mother-tongue? 4)That the Greeks fought against the Ancient Macedonians because they were non-Greek? 5)That the battle of Chaeronia was a coalition of all Greeks against the Macedonians?
Do you accept these as OPINION and the truth according to the beholder?
If you don't then your truths are ONLY your opinions and are not the truths for others.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 28, 2007 23:00:51 GMT -5
"Thanks, NikoCZ, for some excellent facts about ancient Macedonia. Another source that shows what everyone knows: That ancient Macedonians were not Greek."
Your infinity wrong my vardar friend, they were absoulety a Hellenic people, just like balkan slavs: Bulgars, Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats and vardar.
"Macedonians have been around for more than 2500 years. Your macedonia only been around since 1913."
Pfffft, this is so dumb comment like Terroreigns.....your FYROM has been around since 1945.
"Alexander was born in what is now Northern Greece. In 1913, Greece took these lands from Macedonia."
A Hellenic taking land from another Hellenic cousin, like bulgars or serbs taking land off each other....so!.
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Post by albanesehoney on Dec 29, 2007 0:40:35 GMT -5
Now for the questionable evidence. These are the ones that can be interpreted by OPINIONS. 1)That ALL Greeks considered the Ancient Macedonians as Barbarians? 2)That the term 'Makedonisti' refers to a language and not dialect? 3)That the Ancient Macedonians had an unknown mother-tongue? 4)That the Greeks fought against the Ancient Macedonians because they were non-Greek? 5)That the battle of Chaeronia was a coalition of all Greeks against the Macedonians? Previous to Yugoslavia including Macedonia as a republic, no Greek ever claimed the Macedonians as their own. In fact, most Greeks I met in school always denied Alexander or the Macedonians being Greek. This inclusion into the greek identity of the ancient Macedonians is a recent phenomena among the greeks. And, it's simply due to the monopolization of the tourist trade in the balkans, which the greeks have now lost ground to Turkey and the newly freed nations in the balkans.
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 29, 2007 0:49:49 GMT -5
The Greeks and Albanians I went to school with always said that Alex was a Macedonian Greek.....
Could you tell me what language Alex spoke?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 29, 2007 0:53:20 GMT -5
Depends whom he spoke with...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 29, 2007 0:57:42 GMT -5
Okay..has there been a recorded Macedonian language..... or Alex spread Hellenism because it turned him on? Come on people answer this question as if you were English.....
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 29, 2007 1:03:22 GMT -5
Somewhere has being mentioned a kind of "Macedonian dialect"...If I am not wrong, is not mentioned "Greek dialect"?! Weren't 2 old languages of Macedonia Greek and Illyrian? It was a "casus Belus", a justification to occupy and conquer Greek tribes in order to start his campaign through the known world...but he needed Greek soldiers!!!!!
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 29, 2007 1:13:14 GMT -5
This is where your Albanian heart prevents your brain from thinking logically.... it's okay..it happens to a lot of us..myself included..... cept for AH..... she is always prevented from thinking logically..but I still love her.
You cannot dismiss a dialect as some sort of language it effectively belongs to it's own known language... for instance the Spartans,Messinians,Athinians all spoke a Greek dialect ..... even today in Chios and in Crete..we speak dialects with so many words that are not uttered by common Athenians... I was embarrassed to speak sometimes..since my Greek sucks.. and I am only fluent in Chios Greek...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 29, 2007 1:20:01 GMT -5
Dialects are supposed to have some different words and sounds but are overall understandable...Tosks and Ghegs can understand perfectly each-other...Athenians and Spartans could understand each-other too...but could Macedonians and Greeks understand each-other if didn't speak Greek? I mean...how deep is the gap between 2 dialects? If the Gap is huge as to make 2 dialects un-understandable = 2 different languages; and if there are differences but easily understandable = same language in different regions...
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 29, 2007 1:22:16 GMT -5
Well,has anyone found any record of a Macedonian language?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Dec 29, 2007 1:35:21 GMT -5
Well...for Greeks (and you to cheer up) is "The Pella curse tablet",something written in Greek... For the rest, many historians addmit that He spoke to an uncomprehensible language to his soldiers... So: Written language and Spoken Language!!! The Ancient Macedonian language was the tongue of the Ancient Macedonians. It was spoken in Macedon during the 1st millennium BC. Marginalized from the 5th century BC, it was gradually replaced by the common Greek dialect of the Hellenistic Era. The Pella Curse Tablet was written on the 4rth BC and is of DORIAN Greek dialect...not even Athenian... PS: just to mention that he had got the education from Greek scholars...
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Post by greekslav on Dec 29, 2007 3:03:17 GMT -5
The truth that I speak of has nothing to do with what you have indicated, Nikilianos. It has much to do with myself, my heritage, my family, that many of you had abused and used againest me. That is what I am speaking about truth. I've never told anyone anything about me and my family that was not true.
All that you indicate are either opinions of mine, or factual issues I can back up.
Why are many of you fixated on me? Isn't there a constructive topic to debate on other than belittling my family and my heritage?
It's really not about me being Greek. It's more about me being Macedonian. Well, get over it and start using this forum as it is intended; Debate and discussion about real topics and issues. Stop the grab-assing.
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 29, 2007 7:41:45 GMT -5
strategos ephialtes?i thought he was a traitor...after all,the word today means nightmare...
a macedonian ethnicity does not exist...your people are the bulgarian minority of former yugoslavia...you are a bulgarian,not a macedonian.macedonia is greek.
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Post by leandros nikon on Dec 29, 2007 7:48:00 GMT -5
thank you for the information but we do know about pella katadesmos,miss...we also know about derveni papyrus...and we have seen pics of several macedonian coins...and plenty of other macedonian inscriptions...they are all written in greek you know...just bcz the so called macedonian language was just a greek dialect...
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Post by greekslav on Dec 29, 2007 11:20:22 GMT -5
strategos ephialtes?i thought he was a traitor...after all,the word today means nightmare... He was a Greek General in the 460's BC in Athens. He made democracy happen in Athens. He was a brave Greek that spoke out againest the Athenian government and exposed them to corruption, and had them stripped of their government status. He was asassinated for it, but he set the stage for democracy to be born in Greece. Yes, he was a nightmare for those corrupted officials of the Athenian government.
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Post by Georgios Kastriotis on Dec 29, 2007 12:33:52 GMT -5
Ephialtes hint hint hint hint hint hint sounds funny in german
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