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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 5:33:11 GMT -5
Byzantines after 1000 started a hellenization campaign with the help of Armenian military and the transfer of grekophones-albanians from Asia and as a result the Slavs moved to the north. "grekophones-albanians from Asia" Holy SHIIT!!!! ....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 5:43:21 GMT -5
Byzantines after 1000 started a hellenization campaign with the help of Armenian military and the transfer of grekophones-albanians from Asia and as a result the Slavs moved to the north. "grekophones-albanians from Asia" Holy SHIIT!!!! .... It was all written by Peter Charanis, although he never used as explicit language as i did. Go and read him. He is consider, good, western, american, again, good, etc...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 5:45:43 GMT -5
I find it ironic that you and Novi continuously rant about evil westerners (in particular Germans) distorting "real" history for the sake of some agenda .. and here you're in complete agreement with one of such (in)famous theories presented by several Germans, lol. Remember Fallmerayer? He said the same thing basically as you. PS We can conclude that your view of your own "nation" is that it was engineered artificially by the Byzantines for the sake of getting back at the superior Slavs, and that it is conclusively a degenerated mixture of unwanted elements, right? Would you have prefered that Greece was a Slav country? That is my question. you are not even able to copy/paste *exactly* what the other party writes. learn to respect, to not troll, re-read what i wrote, and then we can talk about your questions, deal?
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 5:58:04 GMT -5
"grekophones-albanians from Asia" Holy SHIIT!!!! .... It was all written by Peter Charanis, although he never used as explicit language as i did. Go and read him. He is consider, good, western, american, again, good, etc... Charanis written about grekophones-albanians from Minor Asia? wtf... what pills do you take...?
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Post by ulf on Sept 16, 2010 6:10:26 GMT -5
ARSENIJE, Karolina Jovanovic looks like Lapp. Lapps genetically have common mongol ancestry from Asia so clearly non-Slavic. In general these North-west Russian are half Russianized non-Slavs. ps. And also Arsenije, Moscow at this moment doesn't have many real Russian. There are a lot of immigrant from ex-Soviet states who appear not even close like Russians ;D DONNIE, Germans are known for glorifying their history. You should look the maps I've posted in the topic about Sarmatian Europe in 2nd century AD, in East Europe section. There you will find that there was only 1 single German tribe across Elbe river. Now Germans claim all of those Eastern Germans are in fact real Germans(with exception of Sorbs). If you don't call that propaganda then... PYRROS, its hard to believe in these "Hellenization of Greece" stories. For Slavs to totally inhabit Greece you would need a whole nation or two to settle in Greece and local population to all die off or to diminish significantly, which is totally ridiculous. Only way Slavs could had inhabit Greece like that is if some smaller meteor rock had hit Greece and all the people die there and then if Slavs made dozens of planes and flew off from East Germany, Poland and Czech Republic landing in Greece
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 6:17:29 GMT -5
Only way Slavs could had inhabit Greece like that is if some smaller meteor rock had hit Greece and all the people die there and then if Slavs made dozens of planes and flew off from East Germany, Poland and Czech Republic landing in Greece yea...give him ideas...
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 16, 2010 6:34:33 GMT -5
ARSENIJE, Karolina Jovanovic looks like Lapp. Lapps genetically have common mongol ancestry from Asia so clearly non-Slavic. In general these North-west Russian are half Russianized non-Slavs. Yes which is why I said she has a look out of Moscow... referring possibly to the Finno-Ugric admixture of Russians. Finno-Ugric people were not part of the proto-slav ethnos, however I disagree with you that there were not other oriental influences on the proto-slavs. For instance some Sarmatians were definitely Asian. Also, just as the Finno-Ugrics contributed to the Russian ethnos, Serbs likely also have latter oriental influences via the Huns and Cumans. Yes same again. I often protest when people paint Russians as some sort of slavic standard when they are far from it. The slavs of modern Ukrainian gave birth to the Russian people (Kievan Rus) who in turn mixed with many other non-slavic peoples. The standard should be Slovakia & Ukraine though I am not convinced on proto-slavic peoples.
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Post by ulf on Sept 16, 2010 7:59:25 GMT -5
Real Slavs were part of proto-Balto-Slavic people. Baltic and Slavic people are essentially genetically same. Even old Prussian language looked and sounded pretty much like modern Polish. As Russians is concerned, true Slavic people in these area used to be from Belarus up until Vologda region(including it), and they have mostly Baltic and Nordic look. From my opinion Poland has most % of Slavs. Slovakia had admix with Celts, Ukraine with Sarmatians. True Slavs used to occupy space between Vologda region in Russia(in east), Baltic sea(in north), Elbe river(in west), northern part of Czech,Slovakia and western part of Ukraine(in south). Others were just mostly Slavicized
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 8:16:11 GMT -5
PYRROS, its hard to believe in these "Hellenization of Greece" stories. For Slavs to totally inhabit Greece you would need a whole nation or two to settle in Greece and local population to all die off or to diminish significantly, which is totally ridiculous. Only way Slavs could had inhabit Greece like that is if some smaller meteor rock had hit Greece and all the people die there and then if Slavs made dozens of planes and flew off from East Germany, Poland and Czech Republic landing in Greece i rephrase, For Slavs to totally inhabit western/eastern balkans you would need a whole nation or two to settle in western/eastern balkans and local population to all die off or to diminish significantly, which is totally ridiculous. Only way Slavs could had inhabit western/eastern balkans like that is if some smaller meteor rock had hit western/eastern balkans and all the people die there and then if Slavs made dozens of planes and flew off from East Germany, Poland and Czech Republic landing in western/eastern balkans. PS allow me to have done more homework than you in the subject, having grown up in a supposed "ancient" greek land (bla bla) which was full of slavic toponyms, even related to huge mountains, rivers, cities, etc... ps2 you seem to totally neglect the fact that hellenism went through very vicious war , by the romans/church and the raid of Ulrich the german in 400 AD gave the final blow to the greeks who (imo) fled to south italy, crete, cyprus. When the slavs came, i doubt they found any significant signs of life. Their hole stance as perceived by history/monuments is that slavs behaved like they were free and alone in this land. otherwise, either the greeks were insignificant (which contradicts the greater greek ethnos fanfare) or greeks were outnumbered by slavs by large anyways the toponyms, generally, in history is a sign of prevailance, and i dont see greeks having scored in this aspect in their own home. in short, this is such a gray topic, and so much has been written about the continuity of greeks, etc... that the innocent third reader (you) is hard to accept. thats the power of propaganda. the funny thing is, and this is really really funny!! is that while the yugoslavs (like you) never ever thought of doing some research regarding their past mother lands in Greece, what the greeko-byzantines still do, is accuse YOU of everything, slavs did this, slavs did that, slavs are inferior, slavs are bad, slavs are sh1t, makedonia, alexander, bla bla
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 8:31:13 GMT -5
is that while the yugoslavs (like you) ever ever thought of somth regarding their past mother lands in Greece, what the greeko-byzantines still do, is accuse YOU of everything, slavs did this, slavs did that, slavs are inferior, slavs are bad, slavs are sh1t, makedonia, alexander, bla bla please ulf...don't come to Patra and ask for your forefathers land...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 8:38:20 GMT -5
is that while the yugoslavs (like you) ever ever thought of somth regarding their past mother lands in Greece, what the greeko-byzantines still do, is accuse YOU of everything, slavs did this, slavs did that, slavs are inferior, slavs are bad, slavs are sh1t, makedonia, alexander, bla bla please ulf...don't come to Patra and ask for your forefathers land... you see what i mean? history is denied.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 8:40:20 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth...
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 9:05:21 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth... can you decide at last. Cretans are real Greeks or real Slavs...you've confused your audience... the masses are waiting for further clarification...
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Post by ulf on Sept 16, 2010 9:07:53 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth... Preveli sounds like some Italian surname for my ears
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 9:09:26 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitagata,_Gifu Look...a city in Japan called Kitagata...!!!@@!!! try to find smth in ANY language in the world that KITAGATA actually means smth... (let me help you...its from the Greek "koita"-look and "gata"-cat... actually means "look a cat" maybe because in that place originaly a lonely cat was dwelling while Greeks were passing by and said that phrase..."koita ...gata....=look a cat"!! and thats how it took the name... minara...
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Post by andromeda on Sept 16, 2010 9:11:39 GMT -5
Look a cat? LOL
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 9:12:51 GMT -5
mysia is a great teacher.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 9:32:46 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth... Preveli sounds like some Italian surname for my ears look it up then, to see if you find any... in the meantime, try to close the verb "prevesti"...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 9:34:04 GMT -5
a short quiz for ULF: www.preveli.org/its in Crete... Southern Crete... try to find smth in ANY language in the world that PREVELI actually means smth... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitagata,_Gifu Look...a city in Japan called Kitagata...!!!@@!!! try to find smth in ANY language in the world that KITAGATA actually means smth... (let me help you...its from the Greek "koita"-look and "gata"-cat... actually means "look a cat" maybe because in that place originaly a lonely cat was dwelling while Greeks were passing by and said that phrase..."koita ...gata....=look a cat"!! and thats how it took the name... minara... i am sure the RUSO-HORIA in Crete must be ancient greek as well?? Or Doljani in Peloponese? LMAO
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 9:35:48 GMT -5
we still wait for the clarification...are the Cretans real Greeks or real Slavs?
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