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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 9:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2010 9:39:38 GMT -5
we still wait for the clarification...are the Cretans real Greeks or real Slavs? i dont know about them, i know only about you, and your culture is purely albanian.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 16, 2010 9:52:00 GMT -5
half of these supposed slavic toponyms are arvanitochoria, with inhabitants that bear the name of the village as surname... Zapantis, Gerbesis, Belesis, Varibobis, Bouzis, Golemis, Kandrevas etc... or Greek ones like Mesolongaki, Kalavryta, Makrolongos, Roufias, Valtos, Kakotari, Tragano, Elia, Voutamo, Klada, Poulitsi,Xirokarytaina,Gavria, etc or turkish like Yialova, Merzes, Gazi etc etc... not more than 250 toponyms of , in vast vast majority, small mountainous inhabited places, have slavic origin...in a Peloponnisos with 2500 inhabited places(villages, towns, cities)...
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Post by ulf on Sept 16, 2010 9:53:39 GMT -5
Preveli sounds like some Italian surname for my ears look it up then, to see if you find any... in the meantime, try to close the verb "prevesti"... tough chance, in such case it would be "prevezen"/"preveden" if it was masculine or "prevezena"/"prevedena" if it was feminine, depends from case.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 16, 2010 20:57:19 GMT -5
"I find it ironic that you and Novi continuously rant about evil westerners (in particular Germans) distorting "real" history for the sake of some agenda .. and here you're in complete agreement with one of such (in)famous theories presented by several Germans, lol. Remember Fallmerayer? He said the same thing basically as you."
Donnie, please!.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 16, 2010 21:00:41 GMT -5
I want to hear Aadmin's side of the story because Nikola's first post really stunned me, l thought l was looking at an Anglo/Celt!.
I believe the first Slavs to arrive to the Balkans were of a Nordic race and Neo-Danubian types. The Sorbs or Serbski people of Eastern Germany were noted for their Nordic appearance.
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Post by ioan on Sept 16, 2010 23:13:55 GMT -5
I want to hear Aadmin's side of the story because Nikola's first post really stunned me, l thought l was looking at an Anglo/Celt!. I believe the first Slavs to arrive to the Balkans were of a Nordic race and Neo-Danubian types. The Sorbs or Serbski people of Eastern Germany were noted for their Nordic appearance. I m sure you have little to do with the nordic. As a Torlak, you are probably south european, mediteranean type as most Bulgarians. First slavs have nothing to do with the dagestan Serbs (iranians) from Afganistan. And if you tell us that at least they are indoEUROPEAN, I must remind u that there are 0 iranians living presently in Europe so no they are asian.
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Post by Nikola on Sept 17, 2010 1:12:45 GMT -5
I want to hear Aadmin's side of the story because Nikola's first post really stunned me, l thought l was looking at an Anglo/Celt!. I believe the first Slavs to arrive to the Balkans were of a Nordic race and Neo-Danubian types. The Sorbs or Serbski people of Eastern Germany were noted for their Nordic appearance. Here are the videos of the girls in the original post. They are definitely Macedonian. First one is at 0:55 seconds in. And this one is the reporter at 0:25 seconds.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 1:14:21 GMT -5
look it up then, to see if you find any... in the meantime, try to close the verb "prevesti"... tough chance, in such case it would be "prevezen"/"preveden" if it was masculine or "prevezena"/"prevedena" if it was feminine, depends from case. ja sam preveo mi smo *preveli* PS LMAO that you actually want to predict how it would have been... 1500 years after serious proto-slavic presence in the island. Anyway, its ridiculous trying to prove to a serb about obvious slavic connections between slavs and (the most impossible) places in Greece, like southern crete, where the southern part of europe is. PS2 Maybe "Topolia","Toplou Monastery", "Radovani", reminds you of anything? Are these italian too? ;D Alright now some trickier questions, how about: thebestfromgreece.com/en/location/west-greece/achaea/winery/seliana/listings.htmlcrete.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/the-labyrinth-of-the-mesara-crete/Its like e.g. Patrinos denouncing the true greekness of e.g. the Kalas tribe: kkoolook.posterous.com/the-kalas-tribe-alexander-the-greats-descendajust because they close some words differently than standard Greek!! can you imagine that?? Anyways, i prefer attitudes like this of Ulf, than the ones of Greko-albo-Bulgos who want to claim to whole universe as theirs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 1:22:32 GMT -5
half of these supposed slavic toponyms are arvanitochoria, with inhabitants that bear the name of the village as surname... Zapantis, Gerbesis, Belesis, Varibobis, Bouzis, Golemis, Kandrevas etc... or Greek ones like Mesolongaki, Kalavryta, Makrolongos, Roufias, Valtos, Kakotari, Tragano, Elia, Voutamo, Klada, Poulitsi,Xirokarytaina,Gavria, etc or turkish like Yialova, Merzes, Gazi etc etc... not more than 250 toponyms of , in vast vast majority, small mountainous inhabited places, have slavic origin...in a Peloponnisos with 2500 inhabited places(villages, towns, cities)... i already posted about 450. And dont tell me that Drbolica the capital of central peloponese, is a small ... mountainous place. Now if you followed my logic (which i doubt) you would have see that at least in the pieces of the puzzle which i have managed to glue together, nowhere do i talk about TODAY's slav majority in peloponese. Byzantines brought greeks from south italy to fill the gap of the slavs in the valleys, and arbos as well. I think few slavs remained in Peloponese, and according to my theory, those bogomil slavs ended up in Bosnia, and are todays Bosniak's or part of them. Now, i have more than a theory about the slavs from Ipiros/Janjina/west Thesally, according to my research, and i think they are the descendants of Serbs in Krajna and Bosanska Krajna. The vast majority of the toponyms in my home land are found also and *only* in Krajna (Hrvatska, Bosanska). (examples : Bizani, Doljani, Smokovo are found only in those two places in the whole world)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 1:40:27 GMT -5
so, to put it brutally, a big percentage of todays yugoslavs came ..... from the south rather than the "obvious" north. This south is supposed to be Kosovo or Crna Gora. Almost 90% of serbs claim they are either from those two places. Well, maybe thats correct .... if we extent the borders of Kosovo and Crna Gora some hundreds km to the south..
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Post by andromeda on Sept 17, 2010 2:30:20 GMT -5
half of these supposed slavic toponyms are arvanitochoria, with inhabitants that bear the name of the village as surname... Zapantis, Gerbesis, Belesis, Varibobis, Bouzis, Golemis, Kandrevas etc... or Greek ones like Mesolongaki, Kalavryta, Makrolongos, Roufias, Valtos, Kakotari, Tragano, Elia, Voutamo, Klada, Poulitsi,Xirokarytaina,Gavria, etc or turkish like Yialova, Merzes, Gazi etc etc... not more than 250 toponyms of , in vast vast majority, small mountainous inhabited places, have slavic origin...in a Peloponnisos with 2500 inhabited places(villages, towns, cities)... i already posted about 450. And dont tell me that Drbolica the capital of central peloponese, is a small ... mountainous place. Now if you followed my logic (which i doubt) you would have see that at least in the pieces of the puzzle which i have managed to glue together, nowhere do i talk about TODAY's slav majority in peloponese. Byzantines brought greeks from south italy to fill the gap of the slavs in the valleys, and arbos as well. I think few slavs remained in Peloponese, and according to my theory, those bogomil slavs ended up in Bosnia, and are todays Bosniak's or part of them. Now, i have more than a theory about the slavs from Ipiros/Janjina/west Thesally, according to my research, and i think they are the descendants of Serbs in Krajna and Bosanska Krajna. The vast majority of the toponyms in my home land are found also and *only* in Krajna (Hrvatska, Bosanska). (examples : Bizani, Doljani, Smokovo are found only in those two places in the whole world) There is more evidence being revealed that 'Bogumil Bosnia' was a myth. There definitely existed a sectarian Bosnian church ( from the Catholic Church) but it wasn't connected to the Bogumils. The process to converting a large portion of Bosnians to Islam wasn't a fast one. It took centuries for the religious demographic to change (again). By the time the Turks showed up in Bosnia , most of Bosnia was back to practicing Catholicism and Turks never mentioned ' Bogumils' in Bosnia. Some of the most noted members of the Bosnian church were Croats or non-ethnically defined Bosnians ( Bosnjani). Examples are Grgur Ninski that started a sectarian church in Nin , Croatia and fled to Bosnia to continue his heresy. These heretics were exiled from the mainstream into the Bosnian backwaters by Croatian king Petar Kresmir IV and further marginalized by Bosnian kings who were loyal Catholics such as Tvrtko. Possibly the most notable Bosnian ( non-royal) nobleman , a Croat , Hrvoje Vukcic (Hrvatin-ic) was a prominent member of the Bosnian Church and possibly saved all the non Catholics from being systematically eliminated by Tvrtko since he was Tvrtko's most trusted friend and mentor. Hrvoje had ties to the Croatian Subic nobles from which Tvrtko's mother , Jelena , was a family member and actually raised him.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 3:31:49 GMT -5
There definitely existed a sectarian Bosnian church ( from the Catholic Church) but it wasn't connected to the Bogumils. The process to converting a large portion of Bosnians to Islam wasn't a fast one. It took centuries for the religious demographic to change (again). By the time the Turks showed up in Bosnia , most of Bosnia was back to practicing Catholicism and Turks never mentioned ' Bogumils' in Bosnia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomilismjust thought you would be interested.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 3:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Sept 17, 2010 3:50:55 GMT -5
Byzantines after 1000 started a hellenization campaign with the help of Armenian military and the transfer of grekophones-albanians from Asia and as a result the Slavs moved to the north. "grekophones-albanians from Asia" Holy SHIIT!!!! .... So Tose is 100% native balkanian (greko-vlah) while Jelena has smth germanic/hunic/asiatic in her face. And Tose is native Balcan (which almost look asian) hahahahahahahah ahahhaahahahah Pyrros you are an syrian idiot, your family migrated from Syria to Greece and you claim on pure of your roots?.....it is funny when slaves speak about native peoples of Balcan ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 4:13:34 GMT -5
^^^ you are a stupid noise, and nothing more.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 17, 2010 4:52:57 GMT -5
Byzantines brought greeks from south italy to fill the gap of the slavs in the valleys, and arbos as well. I think few slavs remained in Peloponese, and according to my theory, those bogomil slavs ended up in Bosnia, and are todays Bosniak's or part of them. Now, i have more than a theory about the slavs from Ipiros/Janjina/west Thesally, according to my research, and i think they are the descendants of Serbs in Krajna and Bosanska Krajna. The vast majority of the toponyms in my home land are found also and *only* in Krajna (Hrvatska, Bosanska). (examples : Bizani, Doljani, Smokovo are found only in those two places in the whole world) OMG!!! So my grandgrandgrand^10-father came from Italia to Peloponnisos and kicked Salihamidzic and Ibraimovic grandgrandgrad^10-father to Bosnia... !!?? interesting.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 17, 2010 5:34:23 GMT -5
^^ Not exactly. The Armenian army and the anti-bogomil forces. Patrine, about south italy, its not my theory, i read it from Charanis.
Didn;t you ever have the question as of why Roumeli, Ipiros, Thessaly, Makedonia, and certain Islands like Mytilini, Chios) speak in the same ... "vlah-like" way while Peloponese/Crete/southern Aegean speak more clearly, without cutting/altering the vowels?
(dont ask me about the pontians cutting the vowels, i really dont have an explanation)
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 17, 2010 5:44:13 GMT -5
^^ Not exactly. The Armenian army and the anti-bogomil forces. Patrine, about south italy, its not my theory, i read it from Charanis. Didn;t you ever have the question as of why Roumeli, Ipiros, Thessaly, Makedonia, and certain Islands like Mytilini, Chios) speak in the same ... "vlah-like" way while Peloponese/Crete/southern Aegean speak more clearly, without cutting/altering the vowels? (dont ask me about the pontians cutting the vowels, i really dont have an explanation) why? Peloponnesians-Cretans-Southern Aegeans are Italians?
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Post by ulf on Sept 17, 2010 6:31:45 GMT -5
tough chance, in such case it would be "prevezen"/"preveden" if it was masculine or "prevezena"/"prevedena" if it was feminine, depends from case. ja sam preveo mi smo *preveli* PS LMAO that you actually want to predict how it would have been... 1500 years after serious proto-slavic presence in the island. Anyway, its ridiculous trying to prove to a serb about obvious slavic connections between slavs and (the most impossible) places in Greece, like southern crete, where the southern part of europe is. PS2 Maybe "Topolia","Toplou Monastery", "Radovani", reminds you of anything? Are these italian too? ;D Alright now some trickier questions, how about: thebestfromgreece.com/en/location/west-greece/achaea/winery/seliana/listings.htmlcrete.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/the-labyrinth-of-the-mesara-crete/Its like e.g. Patrinos denouncing the true greekness of e.g. the Kalas tribe: kkoolook.posterous.com/the-kalas-tribe-alexander-the-greats-descendajust because they close some words differently than standard Greek!! can you imagine that?? Anyways, i prefer attitudes like this of Ulf, than the ones of Greko-albo-Bulgos who want to claim to whole universe as theirs. mi smo preveli - we had translated... Translated what? ;D What I am asking you is some form of evidence that they were there. Some event, some famous person, maybe some stories of the locals about them, something that can confirm their presence. Topology alone isn't enough, it's good for start but not enough to confirm their presence PS. Only Slavic presence I could find was in Asia minor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Slav
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