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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 17:34:05 GMT -5
Christos Homenidis (famous Greek author)
"I must tell you that whenever I find myself in conversation with Greeks who feel inordinately proud of their ‘unadulterated Greekness,’ I love making them mad by reminding them that several of the revered heroes of the 1821 Greek Revolution ― such as Markos Botsaris, Kitsos Tzavellas and Andreas Miaoulis ― were Albanian-speaking warriors. And, furthermore, that Theodoros Kolokotronis himself wished for a bilingual country, with both Greek and Albanian inhabitants. From the time the modern Greek state was founded in 1830 to today, the conflict between the concepts of an open-minded, extrovert, cosmopolitan Greece and a small yet honorable, racially and religiously ‘clean and proper’ Greece has never ceased. It goes without saying that I side with the former and not with the latter, and that any kind of multiculturalism fascinates me."
Edmond About
" Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood. Athens has been rapidly peopled with men of all kinds and nations..........Albanians form about one-fourth of the population of the country; they are in majority in Attica, in Arcadia, and in Hydra."
J.Millingen (Memoirs of the affairs of Greece,London,1831,page.208-209)A few days after our arrival in this village , Spiro Milio presented himself to Mavrocordato,with a corps of two hundred picked Chimariots,the most martial-looking men in the whole army.They are not to be distinguished from Albanians,their dress and language being perfectly similar;but though their religion is Greek,they do not understand one syllable of Greek.
"When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak in Greek and so he asked: "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy".
Zaharias Papantoniou, "King Otto"
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 18:02:18 GMT -5
Anastas Kullurioti Anastas Kullurioti or Anastasios Koulouriotis (Greek: Αναστάσιος Κουλουριώτης, 1822 - 1887 was an Arvanite and Albanian nationalist figure, publisher and writer in Greece. Born in Salamis, he spent some of his early years there and later moved to Athens, where he settled in the Plaka district, being noted at the time as the "Albanian quarter" of the city. Still a young man, he emigrated to America and made his fortune, although little is known about that period of his life. Upon his return to Greece, he founded the weekly I foni tis Alvanias (The Voice of Albania) which lasted from September 1879 to mid 1880[8]. Among the goals of his nationalist activities were the founding of an Albanian political party in Greece, the opening of Albanian-language schools and the liberation of Albania from the Turkish yoke. His devotion to the Albanian cause brought him into conflict with the Greek authorities[9] and he is said to have died poisoned in prison in Athens at the beginning of 1887. Kullurioti is the author of Alvanikon Alfavitarion, (Albanian Primer; Athens, 1882); and the reader Klumësht për foshnja (Milk for Babies; Athens, 1882).
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 18:05:24 GMT -5
HELLENAS ......for you my friend While linguistic scholarship unanimously describes Arvanitika as a dialect of AlbanianE.g. Haebler (1965); Trudgill (1976/77); Sasse (1985, 1991); Breu (1990); Furikis (1934), Babiniotis (1985: 41). many Arvanites are reported to dislike the use of the name "Albanian" to designate itGHM 1995, as it carries the connotation of Albanian nationality and is thus felt to call their Greek identity into question. Owing to its special social circumstances and ethnolinguistic identity, Arvanitika is currently listed as a separate entry ("Arvanitika Albanian", code "aat") in the draft international ISO 639-3 catalogue of language nameshttp://www.sil.org/iso639-3/docume ... asp?id=aat, where it is categorised as part of an Albanian "macrolanguage"an intermediate category between a language family on the one hand and a single language with dialects on the other only bcs I like you Hellenas.........Arvanitika or Arvanitic (native name: arbërisht, Greek: arvanitika) is the variety of Albanian or Epirotic language Marin Barleti The story of life and deeds of Skanderbeg, the prince of Epirotes. Rome 1506-1510 (Albanian National Heroes). Albania and Albanian language (both dialect Gege and Tosk ) were consider as Epir and their language Epirotic ,and the name Albanian language (Shqip) and Epirotic were synonyms from the evidence of 16-17th century literature and latter on Pjeter Bogdani Cuneus ProphetarumCvnevs prophetarvm de Christo salvatore mvndi et eivs evangelica veritate, italice et epirotice contexta, et in duas partes diuisa a Petro Bogdano Macedone, Sacr. Congr. de Prop. Fide alvmno, Philosophiae & Sacrae Theologiae Doctore, olim Episcopo Scodrensi & Administratore Antibarensi, nunc vero Archiepiscopo Scvporvm ac totivs regni Serviae Administratore" (The Band of the Prophets Concerning Christ, Saviour of the World and his Gospel Truth, edited in Italian and Epirotic and divided into two parts by Pjetër Bogdani of Macedonia, student of the Holy Congregation of the Propaganda Fide, doctor of philosophy and holy theology, formerly Bishop of Shkodra and Administrator of Antivari and now Archbishop of Skopje and Administrator of all the Kingdom of Serbia) (The Band of the Prophets)Albanian Academy of Science Tirane 2005.Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz Correspondence on the Albanian Language1705-1715 www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1705.html. traditionally spoken by the Arvanites, a population group in Greece. Arvanitika is sometimes also described as Graeco-Albanian or similarly,E.g. Furikis (1934) although today such designations are considered offensive by many Arvanites themselves, who identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians (GHM 1995). Arvanitika is today an endangered language, as its speakers have been shifting to the use of Greek and most younger members of the community no longer speak it fluently. Name : The name "Arvanítika" and its native equivalent Arbërishte Misspelled as Arberichte in the Ethnologue report, and in some other sources based on that. are derived from the ethnonym "Arvanites", which in turn comes from the toponym "Arbëna" (Greek: ), which in the Middle Ages referred to a region in what is today Albania (Babiniotis 1998). Its native equivalents (Arbërorë, Arbëreshë and others) formerly were the self-designation of Albanians in general. Both "Arbëna" and "Albania/Albanian" go further back to name forms attested since antiquity, and may be ultimately variants of the same root, although this is debated. Classification : Arvanitika was brought to southern Greece during the late Middle Ages by settlers from what is today southern Albania and Epirus. Arvanitika is also closely related to Arbëresh, the diaspora dialects of Albanian in Italy, which largely go back to Arvanite settlers from Greece. Italian Arbëresh has retained some words identical to Greek words (for instance Haristis 'thank you', from ; dhrom 'road', from ; Ne 'yes', from , in certain villages). Italo-Arbëresh and Arvanitika-Arbërisht have a mutually intelligible vocabulary base, the unintelligible elements of the two dialects stem from the usage of Italian or Greek modernisms in the absence of native ones.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 18:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 5, 2011 18:15:46 GMT -5
We soon learned from our project anthropologists(cf.Slaughter and Kasimis 1986) that our village, as most others in this part of central Greece, was populated by Arvanites, speaking Arvanitika; in English this can be translated as, respectively, "populations with their origin from the region in and around modern Albania" and "Albanian-speakers". Yet our village looked typically Greek: the role of the state, the Church, and everyday customs looked the same as everywhere else in modern Greece.Did you read that? They have nothing to do with Albanians. Boeotia, Attica, and most of the North Peloponnese were henceforth dominated in the countryside by Albanian-speakers(Jochalas 1971).They confuse "albanian-speaker" Arvanites with "Albanians". Aspects of Greek national costume, such as that worn by the modern Palace Guard(Evzonoi) are essentially Albanian costume(Mpiris 1997,288 n.2).How much scientific, they discovered that the ancient Hellenic influenced national costume is essentially "albanian costume"...They were there and they saw that the ancient Hellenes took the costume from the "ancient albanians", very funny...
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 5, 2011 18:19:50 GMT -5
I still waiting for a serious Anthropologist who support your claims...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 18:32:02 GMT -5
but you by-passed this for some reason
WHY ? oh maybe you didn't see that ....I'm sorry ..here use my glasses ...cuz
We soon learned from our project anthropologists(cf.Slaughter and Kasimis 1986) that our village, as most others in this part of central Greece, was populated by Arvanites, speaking Arvanitika; in English this can be translated as, respectively, "populations with their origin from the region in and around modern Albania" and "Albanian-speakers". Yet our village looked typically Greek: the role of the state, the Church, and everyday customs looked the same as everywhere else in modern Greece.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 18:47:38 GMT -5
yea keep waiting .....but in the meantime ..
you and other Greeks make the same bs stance and arguments
deep down inside you know what Arvanitis are and were
the only reason why you go against the grain on this subject and so vehemently is only bcs you are Arvanitis or part Arvanitis or are NOT and so wish to be ......so best thing for the NOT's is to not connect Arvanitis with Albanians in any way .......but you cant do that ....bcs the True Arvanitis know what blood they come from ...even the partial Arvanitis .
Xhaku xhak / Blood is blood .....
common language in not what makes Greeks one today bcs a Black mavro from Detroit could learn to speak Greek fluently kiss his cheeks on both side my proud Hellenes .
we good now ....friends again
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 5, 2011 19:25:00 GMT -5
Imagine all these Greeks that were living amongst you,.... you be less than zero if they never were.... Thank you for the enlightenment but we were already aware of it.... nothing new... Like you are going to teach us what the Zappion is.....
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Post by rex362 on Feb 5, 2011 19:30:10 GMT -5
hey .....I didn't write that book ....don't spit on the messenger
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 2:04:37 GMT -5
If those towns are "albanian" and not Hellenic, why most of towns have Hellenic names and not albanian?
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 4:16:28 GMT -5
Ministry of foreign affairs of Turkey Ankara june 1999It's clearly turkish propaganda. They speak of "turkish minority" when Moslem Thracians are clearly ethnic Hellenes and not turkish. They speak of "macedonians" when they refer to Fyromians, of "albanians" when they refer to Hellenic-Arvanites, to similar anthropologicaly Vlahs who have get much Hellenic blood and the small minority of Roma-gypsies. They confuse Helleno-Arvanites, speakers of the Arvanite dialect, which includes many ancient Hellenic & Thracian words, with albanians. Epiros and north Epiros inhabited mostly by Hellenes and always were both Hellenic and not "albanian". The chams were never the 75% of Epiros, Hellenes never killed, massacred, raped women or babies or pregnant women, that's just albanian and turkish propaganda. There never happened a "genocide" to the Chams, on the other hand, Cham albanians collaborated indeed with the Nazi occupiers during the 2nd W.War and they are considered as WAR CRIMINALS according to the Hellenic laws. Hellas fortunately dropped out from Epiros most of Chams, that's true. If they want to see the graves of their Cham ancestors they are free to take their graves with them in albania. Modern out-law albanian immigrants must take the same road, get out of Hellas NOW.The word "Barbarian" used by ancient Hellenes many times to describe even Hellenes, see the Athenian Demosthenes and the ancient Macedonians. In Hellas none ever forced Arvanites to stop speaking their language or to forget their traditions, it just happened as there were not any "Arvanite schools". Some of them still speak their language and follow their Helleno-Arvanite traditions as well. Even today some of them are bilingual speaking both the Arvanite and the Hellenic language. Did you ever wondered why Arvanites, Vlahs, Thracians and so on want to be only Hellenes? It's because they dislike anything albanian, turkish or bulgarian and they love Hellas. It's because the Hellenic culture and way of life is almighty compared with other Balkan or Anatolian countries. In Hellas everybody is free to follow his own religion and express his self, that's why some people in Hellenic Thrace are moslems and same goes with the Jews in Thessaloniki(Hellenic Macedonia). The turks better have a look to their own ethnic minorities, the turkification of the Hellenic, Armenian, Iranic and Kurdish populations and leave alone Hellas. Also they must stop sending in Hellas all those out-law moslem immigrants just to destroy us.
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 5:07:12 GMT -5
Christos Homenidis (famous Greek author) I love making them mad by reminding them that several of the revered heroes of the 1821 Greek Revolution ― such as Markos Botsaris, Kitsos Tzavellas and Andreas Miaoulis ― were Albanian-speaking warriors. They were Hellenes who spoke Arvanite not Albanians. Markos Botsaris. Atlanto-Mediterranean. Kitsos Tzavellas Atlanto-Mediterranean. Andreas Miaoulis Atlanto-Mediterranean. 100% Hellenes racially. Nonsenses. Arvanites never surpassed the 8% of the Hellenic population: Arvanites Post by patrinos on Jan 15, 2009, 4:28pmTo clear some things about Arvanites, their population and role in the Revolution. I'll use the sourses by this greek blog,translated via google,and me. kleftouria.blogspot.com/About the population: Let us therefore begin with the question of population Arvaniton especially the 19th century when the language was spoken almost universally by Greeks with Arvanitic origin wand was easier to "discrimination", starting, not only to the generally accepted and comprehensive book K. Biris "Arvanites, the Dorians the younger Greeks, the history of Greek Arvaniton. Biris (Arvanitis himself) in the capital of the demographic review highlights the big mistake of those foreign (consuls, travelers) dealt with this issue which antiepistimonika easily identified the mixture of the indigenous paroikous Arvanites were now bilingual as Albanians. ( 1) Let's see what Johann Georg von Hahn wrote (Albaneische Studien, 1854) considered the father of alvanology and lived in Greece more than 20 years since 1843 as in 1869 he served successively as consul of Austria in Ioannina, Syros and finally in Athens as Consul General.. The table listed in the above book states in place of the population of Arvanites in Greece and ends in total 173,000 Arvanites when Greece was in accordance with the population census in 1856 1,096,810. But Hahn in his foreword, which he wrote afterwards refers to his mistake he did in his list when he said about 10.000 Arvanites in Spercheios area and another 5.000 in Phocis, where as Mpiris admits(2), never existed! He also writes in the foreword that many questioned his counts like Finlay(he've written about the Revolution and not only) who counted the Arvanites 100.000(3) even if strangely in his book(4) he raises the number to 200.000 with out analysing the distribution. Accepting Hahn's writings as worthy being an albanologist and living in Greece so many years the number of Arvanites after his corrections is 158.000 which is about 14% of the population of the free Greece of 1854(Peloponnesus,Sterea Ellas,and Cycladic islands). Analytically Hahn writes: 55.000 Arvanites in Attica and Boetoia(plus Salamina) in total population of 116.021. In south Euvoia 25.000 Arvanites in 72.368 total population in the island. In northern Andros(5) 6000 Arvanites in total amount of citizens 19.376. In Argolis and in the islands of Argosaronic(Ydra,Spetses,Poros) he mention 47.000 Arvanites in total amount of 75.501 citizens of which the monolingual Hellenophones are found mainly west and north of Argos and in the two centers Argos and Nauplion. Also he refers to the 15.000 Arvanites in Achaia and Korinthia in total population of 129.000. Those in Achaia live mainly in the so called Arvanitohoria or Zoubatohoria in the western Panachaikos and some villages in Dymis and Fares municipalities. In Korinthia the language exists in the eastern part and in the area of today Sykion municipality. For the rest Peloponnesus he mention with questionmark 10.000 Arvanites who are located in small group of villages like these of the Soulimohoria Messinias(the Ntredhes), in the area of Zaraka in Lakonia, and in some villages in Hraia municipality in Arcadia(Paloumba etc) Mpiris also mention and with Alfred Philippson(Swedish) who travelled in Peloponnesus in 1889 writing the «Zur Ethnographie des Peloponnes ,Pettersmans Mitteilungen»,1890. This researcher(who studied the ethnography of Greece,and especially Peloponnesus) counted the number of Arvanites in Peloponnisos and in the islands of Argosaronikos 90,253 in a total population of the area 730.000, meaning 12% of the whole area, and 9.5 of Peloponnesians. He also counts the total population of Arvanites in Greece of 1889(that is Greece with out Macedonia,Thrace,Crete and Dodecanese,and of course with out the Greek of Minor Asia and Pontos!). in the number of 224.000 when the population of free Greece was 2.187.208,that means 10% of the population were Arvanites. In the same year a Patrinos doctor H.P. Koryllos wrote the "Ethnographia tis Peloponnesou,Patra,1890) after traveling throughout Peloponnesos and collected information having in mind opinions of mayor and parliamentals he reached in the conclusion that the number of Arvanites in Peloponnesos and the Argosaronic islands was 71.037(50.352 for Peloponnesos and 20.685 for the islands) that means in a total population of that area of 730.000 Arvanites make the 9.5% and for Peloponnesos the 7%. Also the national British "Handbook of Greece,1918,Naval Staff-Intelligence Division,p.72 analysing Greece's ethnography says that Arvanites are not more than the 8.5% of the population of the Greek state.upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Pelopones_ethnic.JPGPhilippson's map.Very acurate I can say. illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=epirusapeiros&action=print&thread=22747
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Feb 6, 2011 5:21:07 GMT -5
"Arvanites, speaking Arvanitika; in English this can be translated as, respectively, "populations with their origin from the region in and around modern Albania" and "Albanian-speakers"." Pay attention to how scholars (even archaeologists) describe things, rex. Compared to socio's posts, you're starting to sound like a real anthropologist these days (those Negovani roots no doubt ). bcs a Black mavro from Detroit could learn to speak Greek fluently kiss his cheeks on both side my proud Hellenes. Only Kosovars bring blacks (I've met some half-black Greek girls, pretty good) into discussion and mention how "racially" airtight their nation is. The corruption of the Arvanites is happening in front of out eyes. Ksexases to Genos, arvaniti adelfe.
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 5:41:10 GMT -5
HELLENAS ......for you my friend While linguistic scholarship unanimously describes Arvanitika as a dialect of AlbanianE.g. Haebler (1965); Trudgill (1976/77); Sasse (1985, 1991); Breu (1990); Furikis (1934), Babiniotis (1985: 41). many Arvanites are reported to dislike the use of the name "Albanian" to designate itGHM 1995, as it carries the connotation of Albanian nationality and is thus felt to call their Greek identity into question. Owing to its special social circumstances and ethnolinguistic identity, Arvanitika is currently listed as a separate entry ("Arvanitika Albanian", code "aat") in the draft international ISO 639-3 catalogue of language nameshttp://www.sil.org/iso639-3/docume ... asp?id=aat, where it is categorised as part of an Albanian "macrolanguage"an intermediate category between a language family on the one hand and a single language with dialects on the other only bcs I like you Hellenas.........Arvanitika or Arvanitic (native name: arbërisht, Greek: arvanitika) is the variety of Albanian or Epirotic language Marin Barleti The story of life and deeds of Skanderbeg, the prince of Epirotes. Rome 1506-1510 (Albanian National Heroes). Albania and Albanian language (both dialect Gege and Tosk ) were consider as Epir and their language Epirotic ,and the name Albanian language (Shqip) and Epirotic were synonyms from the evidence of 16-17th century literature and latter on Pjeter Bogdani Cuneus ProphetarumCvnevs prophetarvm de Christo salvatore mvndi et eivs evangelica veritate, italice et epirotice contexta, et in duas partes diuisa a Petro Bogdano Macedone, Sacr. Congr. de Prop. Fide alvmno, Philosophiae & Sacrae Theologiae Doctore, olim Episcopo Scodrensi & Administratore Antibarensi, nunc vero Archiepiscopo Scvporvm ac totivs regni Serviae Administratore" (The Band of the Prophets Concerning Christ, Saviour of the World and his Gospel Truth, edited in Italian and Epirotic and divided into two parts by Pjetër Bogdani of Macedonia, student of the Holy Congregation of the Propaganda Fide, doctor of philosophy and holy theology, formerly Bishop of Shkodra and Administrator of Antivari and now Archbishop of Skopje and Administrator of all the Kingdom of Serbia) (The Band of the Prophets)Albanian Academy of Science Tirane 2005.Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz Correspondence on the Albanian Language1705-1715 www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1705.html. traditionally spoken by the Arvanites, a population group in Greece. Arvanitika is sometimes also described as Graeco-Albanian or similarly,E.g. Furikis (1934) although today such designations are considered offensive by many Arvanites themselves, who identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians (GHM 1995). Arvanitika is today an endangered language, as its speakers have been shifting to the use of Greek and most younger members of the community no longer speak it fluently. Name : The name "Arvanítika" and its native equivalent Arbërishte Misspelled as Arberichte in the Ethnologue report, and in some other sources based on that. are derived from the ethnonym "Arvanites", which in turn comes from the toponym "Arbëna" (Greek: ), which in the Middle Ages referred to a region in what is today Albania (Babiniotis 1998). Its native equivalents (Arbërorë, Arbëreshë and others) formerly were the self-designation of Albanians in general. Both "Arbëna" and "Albania/Albanian" go further back to name forms attested since antiquity, and may be ultimately variants of the same root, although this is debated. Classification : Arvanitika was brought to southern Greece during the late Middle Ages by settlers from what is today southern Albania and Epirus. Arvanitika is also closely related to Arbëresh, the diaspora dialects of Albanian in Italy, which largely go back to Arvanite settlers from Greece. Italian Arbëresh has retained some words identical to Greek words (for instance Haristis 'thank you', from ; dhrom 'road', from ; Ne 'yes', from , in certain villages). Italo-Arbëresh and Arvanitika-Arbërisht have a mutually intelligible vocabulary base, the unintelligible elements of the two dialects stem from the usage of Italian or Greek modernisms in the absence of native ones. Arvanitika or Arvanitic (native name: arbërisht, Greek: arvanitika) is the variety of Albanian or Epirotic language Marin Barleti The story of life and deeds of Skanderbeg, the prince of Epirotes. Arvanitika was brought to southern Greece during the late Middle Ages by settlers from what is today southern Albania(north Epiros) and Epirus.In the past Arvanitika had sometimes been described as "Graeco-Albanian" and the like (e.g. Furikis, 1934), although today many Arvanites consider such names offensive, as they identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians. Italo-Arbëresh and Graeco-Arvanitika have a mutually intelligible vocabulary base, the unintelligible elements of the two dialects stem from the usage of Italian or Greek modernisms in the absence of native ones. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvanitika
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 5:54:49 GMT -5
but you by-passed this for some reason WHY ? oh maybe you didn't see that ....I'm sorry ..here use my glasses ...cuz We soon learned from our project anthropologists(cf.Slaughter and Kasimis 1986) t hat our village, as most others in this part of central Greece, was populated by Arvanites, speaking Arvanitika; in English this can be translated as, respectively, "populations with their origin from the region in and around modern Albania" and "Albanian-speakers". Yet our village looked typically Greek: the role of the state, the Church, and everyday customs looked the same as everywhere else in modern Greece. You need your glasses not me. They thought that they were "albanians" but they: looked typically Greek: the role of the state, the Church, and everyday customs looked the same as everywhere else in modern Greece.Who is "albanian"? Arvanites are and behave like the rest of Hellenes, they have nothing to do with albanians. Even if we suggest that they were "albanians" right now they have mixed with the Hellenes and they have completely assimilated. HELLENIC ARVANITES=HELLENES.
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 5:59:29 GMT -5
Xhaku xhak / Blood is blood ..... Ku Klux Klan or Genghis Khan?
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Post by Hellenas on Feb 6, 2011 7:16:47 GMT -5
Since you posted nothing proving your claims that the Arvanites were "albanians" who mixed the whole Hellenic population by turning them to "albanians" and that Arvanites were "non-Hellenes" but "albanians" I will post that. Anthropological Evidence and the Fallmerayer Thesis
by Dienekes Pontikos According to Fallmerayer, they are the descendants of medieval Slavs who inundated Greece during the Middle Ages, with a further adstratum of Albanians of late medieval and Ottoman times. Y CHROMOSOMES The authors identify two distinctive clusters in Europe: a Western cluster encompassing mainly populations from the Atlantic and an Eastern cluster encompassing mainly Slavic- and Baltic-speaking populations. It can be easily seen that Greeks do not cluster with Slavs or Albanians as would be expected if they had substantial genetic input from either of these two populations.In Table 2 of this study, the authors perform a pseudo-admixture analysis of the studied populations into Western, Eastern, and Other clusters. It is noteworthy that Greeks have 44% of the Western and 27% of the Eastern cluster. By contrast, Bulgarians have 53% of the Eastern cluster and 28% of the Western one, and Romanians 57/24% respectively, and Albanians 53/34%. Hence, it seems that Greeks are differentiated from their Balkan neighbors in being less "Eastern". In fact the fraction of the Eastern cluster in Greeks is similar to that in West Italians (20%) and Sicilians (18%). This underscores the limited influence of demographic processes taking part north of Greece on the Greek population.CONCLUSIONSModern Greeks are contrasted to northern populations, including Slavs and Albanians in different genetic marker systems: mtDNA, Y chromosomes, and autosomal DNA.dienekes.110mb.com/articles/fallmerayer/
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