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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 4, 2011 17:01:03 GMT -5
Asen, Ioan and Ruseche, the three BuLgari (stooges), do you three also know that the slavs of Northern Greece call you by the Serbian *BUGARI* not Bu Lgari. Having the L in BuLgari is the retention of a Turkicism that you BuLgari are. No wonder that Ioan and Ruseche are hardcore BuLgari since they are from N.E BuLgarska, the homeland of Turanids PS Serbs never brought a Komitadji or an Exarchos into Northern Greece to Bulgarianise the Slavs and to terrorise the Greeks. Having said this the Slavs of northern Greece (except possibly over in the most northern tip of Greek Thrace) do the Slavs say BuLgari. You three BuLgari know that the ex-serbian bugari (western bugarska) don't use BuLgari.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2011 2:46:08 GMT -5
call us when the so called "southern serbs" start to reffer to themselves as serbs and not bulgari, bugari, bugarians, bulgarians, bylgari, bylgarians.... you know all the names that clearly show their bulgarian lineage. till then all consider this your laughable attept the serbanize bulgarians because it is that. trying to give other "meaning" to the clear word bulgarian... you cant twist it to make it with a meaning of serb... unfortunately for you...
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Post by terroreign on Feb 5, 2011 3:30:22 GMT -5
Easy there with the percentage, Krivo. Now look at this man: Boris Stoyanov Drangov (Bulgarian: Борис Стоянов Дрангов; 15 March 1872–26 May 1917) was a Bulgarian colonel and warfare pedagogue. Drangov was born in Skopje in Ottoman-ruled Macedonia (today the capital of the Republic of Macedonia), to the family of a rich timber merchant. He graduated from the local Bulgarian Exarchate school or the Bulgarian Men's High School of Thessaloniki. In 1891, he enrolled in the Military School in Sofia in the Principality of Bulgaria. After a conflict with an officer, he was dispatched to Lom in 1894; in the town, Drangov met his future wife (also from Macedonia) and was promoted to second lieutenant in 1895. In 1899, he became a first lieutenant. During the Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising of 1903, Drangov left the Bulgarian Army to arrive in Macedonia. There, he assembled an armed detachment of 120 men which fought the Ottomans in the Kratovo region. After the uprising's suppression, Drangov returned to the army and was promoted to captain (rotamaster). He studied at the Imperial Russian General Staff Academy in Saint Petersburg; he graduated with honours in 1907 and returned to Bulgarian service. Promoted to major in 1910, he became a lecturer of military tactics at the Military School in Sofia. During the First Balkan War of 1912–1913, Drangov headed a brigade on the Thracian front, defeating the Ottomans at Çatalca and during the Siege of Adrianople. During the Second Balkan War, Drangov fought the Serbs at Bublyak Peak. In February 1915, he was promoted to lieutenant-colonel. With the outbreak of World War I, Drangov was named as the head of a regiment consisting mainly of untrained Macedonian Bulgarian volunteers. Under his training, the regiment turned into an efficient unit and fought at Kalimanci, Kočani and Štip. He also fought at the Romanian front in Dobruja before he was dispatched back to Macedonia, where his unit guarded the River Crna meander. He was wounded during artillery shelling on 26 May 1917 and died of his wounds the same evening. Boris Drangov was interred in the Saint Demetrius Church's yard in Skopje. His remains were later moved by the Serbian authorities to a common cemetery. Drangov was posthumously promoted to colonel by the Bulgarian Army. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This diminishes your perecentages a little bit, what do you say? Also, would you give me some examples of great Serbs that were born in Skopje? Lets see, Robert Vukelic/k, Elvir Mekic (if we admit Bosniaks as Serbs), Martin Vucic. But yeah, I'm not gonna deny there are Bulgarians from Skopje.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2011 3:50:38 GMT -5
What? You give me examples of present singers to confirm your statement about Skopje a century ago? Come on, man, let's be a little more serious.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 5, 2011 8:27:15 GMT -5
^ lets go even a 40 to 50 years before that Ruseche?, and what were they l ask.
The time frame your asking is from the Exarchos period, now get lost and go back to your harem and have an airag.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 5, 2011 8:36:03 GMT -5
"But yeah, I'm not gonna deny there are Bulgarians from Skopje."
Krivo, any self declared Bulgarians from southern serbia were Bulgarianised serbs, there were no Ruseche, Ioan or Asen BuLgari in Southern Serbia. You must remember that when a serb joined the exarchos he was immediately recorded as a Bulgar, but this doesn't mean he is a Bulgar. It was generally viewed then if a southern serb was with the Patriarchate he was a serb and Bulgar with the Exarchos. The reason why the southern serbs joined the Exarchos was out of spite of the Patriarchate and their desire to at least have services in a slavic language.
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Post by ioan on Feb 5, 2011 9:09:25 GMT -5
uou so bulgarian language now is slavic and not turkiSH? how was it posible for the "southern serbs" that selfidentified as Bulgarians to understand this asiatic language which was coinsidently named as their lang - bulgarian?
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Post by rusebg on Feb 5, 2011 9:09:42 GMT -5
You ask too much without answering. Can you give an example or not?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 5, 2011 14:02:37 GMT -5
"120 men??? Hmm interesting... Quite a small figure i suppose, compared to the TWO MAKEDONIAN DIVISIONS who took part in the yugoslav army later in WWI...." pyrro, don't take it seriously, we both know its an exarchos posion. The reason why the serbs of vardar decided to *join* the exarchos was to separate themselves from the Patriachate. If you look into this IMRO and Exarchate thing you will notice that the BuLgarski Exarchate viewed the IMRO as its number one enemy, eventhou on the outside they co-operated mutually....why?....because the Exarchate was legally recognised while IMRO wasn't. Many of the Bulgarianised serbs who joined the IMRO were educated in Bulgarian Exarchate schools, they were fed up with the Exarchos and they TURNED against them. You see Pyrro, the Exarchos was viewed as CENTRALISTS while the IMRO was viewed as AUTONOMISTS who wanted to join with BuLgarska as one nation, but when they were to win their freedom as one nation then they wanted to get their automony from Bulgarska and separate. Why did the slavs of vardar turn to Bulgarska?, well they had no support from serbia, at all, because serbia was exhausted by wars, whereas BuLgarska was financed by RUSSIA. Many southern serbs who seeked assistance from Serbia were turned away, and were told to go to Sofia because of her financial situation as Russia was loading her up. Pyrro, the southern serbs were desparate to get their freedoms from the Turk and they were ready to unite with the demon (Bulgarska). The dumb BuLgari don't understand this and they will never understand, the southern serbs were only out there to use them so they could win their freedoms from the Turk. Quite enlightening. Very nice analysis.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 5, 2011 20:09:19 GMT -5
^ Thankyou brother Pyrro.
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Post by ivo on Feb 7, 2011 9:34:47 GMT -5
Too bad these are the personal thoughts of a person who has clearly not read more than one book (at best, if at all) on the topic.
Fortunately, this idiotic "analysis" is NOT supported by world opinion.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 9:56:22 GMT -5
There is no such thing as world opinion Tatar. And please, the analysis was far from being anything close to idiotic. It just was too delicate for your monolithic brain.
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Post by ivo on Feb 7, 2011 10:52:33 GMT -5
The "analysis" is nothing more but misinterpreted information that is contradicted by practically all sources on the matter.
I've told you many times before, let's get it all out in the open.. post your sources, show us where these "conclusions" are coming from. We've got nothing to hide, the more sources we share the better.
PS: Your own conclusions count for nothing. Pazar's personal conclusions, also, count for nothing.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 7, 2011 11:12:47 GMT -5
And as you guessed, your BS count for nothing as well.
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Post by ivo on Feb 7, 2011 11:16:48 GMT -5
My personal opinion is also irrelevant. Fortunately, I happen to agree with what the rest of the world has concluded on the matter.
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Post by macmako on May 9, 2011 18:03:51 GMT -5
Absolutely. Without a doubt. While my mother was born in Northern Greece in the 20's, she is Macedonian as all her family born in the area prior to the second Balkan war were overwhelmingly Macedonian.
Talking about Serbs, it is funny to mention that in the late 1800's, it was the Serbs themselves that spread propaganda emphasizing on the myth of the ancient origins of Macedonians. This was done to prevent the Macedonians from acquiring Bulgarian identity, all to better the Serbs chances of getting a bigger piece of the Province of Macedonia.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 10, 2011 2:56:42 GMT -5
^ I wouldn't say thats correct, l would say that the name *Macedonia* was used in the concept of geography, and l say ONLY IN THE CONCEPT OF GEOGRAPHY.
1st of all, there is a monastry in Kosovo i Metohija built prior to the comming of the Ottoman/Turks and on a painted fresco inside the religious building there is a picture of the Vergina Sun!, almost an exact replica of todays Vardarian flag.
Let me explain via some examples through the disposal of my sources l have:
There are examples in which Serbs were mistakenly referring themselves as Macedonian. Lets take for instance the geographically ill-informed author of the folk poem about Prince Kaica who places the DANUBIAN town of Smederevo in Macedonia. Then take this, two versions of Emperor Dushans legal code, those of Ravanica and Sofia-both from the seventeenth century-call Dushan emperor of Macedonia. Or in 1564, written at the monastery of Zavala, in Hercegovina (BOSNIA), it is stated that this monastery lies "in the shelter of Mount Velezh, which is in the Macedonian lands." Bozhidar h-Podgorichanin says of himself that he comes from "the Diocletian lands, in Macdeonia, from the town of Podgorica." Certain pilgrims to the Holy Sepulcher, Vukovoj, Gavrilo, Sava, Jovan and Sekule, state on two occasions that they are from "the Macedonian lands, from the land of Zahumlje, known as Hercegovina (BOSNIA).
Now the Serbian language reformist, VUK STEFANOVICH KARADZICH observed that on these accounts, by saying, "ALL OUR PEOPLE'S LANDS ARE CALLED MACEDONIA."
My point:
The term Macedonia signifies merely a GEOGRAPHICAL CONCEPT which has been insufficiently defined and which has no ETHOGRAPHICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
GET IT DEMO?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 10, 2011 4:00:40 GMT -5
Novi Brother, *MANY* of the Slavic rulers of Greece were from Bosnia-Hercegovina. All the place from southern Greece up to Belgrade used to be the same country.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 10, 2011 4:59:11 GMT -5
^ Pyrro brate, this Demo has been taught by his mother at home during dinner. My point to him strictly is that these Slavs ADOPTED a name from a geographical stand point, this name has NO ETHNOGRAPHICAL SIGNIFICANCE. It can be seen by a couple of points l made above that even Serbs were calling themselves at times Macedonian, outside of Vardar.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 10, 2011 5:16:18 GMT -5
You nailed it man... Makedonia = Bosnia, just two name places, where Serbs live.
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