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Post by Shqipni13 on Jun 17, 2011 4:15:36 GMT -5
Probably not their first language. No need to talk shit.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 5:59:26 GMT -5
No , I don't think it's that. They write more like these idiot kids the school system is turning out combined with texting language. Have you seen how teenagers write now a days? Now I might ramble but this reminds me of the average Bosnians and Albanians I see in the U.S. Why are they so facinated with Afro-American culture? These are the quintessential Wiggers.
alBoThuG4LiFe <--- LOL , not anyone in particular but this is the mentality lots of Bosnians and ALbanians have. They think they are cholo & black thugs and then wonder why people don't consider them white? Anyway I detest these thug bitch wannabes.
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Post by gjakova on Jun 17, 2011 6:03:23 GMT -5
LOL ALBS ARE THE WORST AND CROS THE BEST.i could be wrong but i thing you chose to insult bosnians and albs bcs they're muslim.do you think that you're christian you're better or what?plz be normal.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 6:14:10 GMT -5
First off , while originally a Catholic ( born into it) I consider myself personally an atheist and criticize Christianity & Islam the same. I have no particular favorite fairy tale.
But are you telling me you don't notice the same thing I do? Common , you cannot be an Albanian or Bosnian - American and not notice this strange phenomena among your young people. I mean maybe it does have something to do with being muslim though I don't see why Islam would turn someone to 'thug liFe' or a Wigger. Why are they so fascinated with the 'Urban culture' and why do they try to fuse it with their native culture? Is their native Bosnian or Albanian culture just not 'good enough?' Why try to mix it with a culture so alien and ( IMO) retarded?
PS: We Cros have our 'thugz' too but in much smaller proportion.
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Post by gjakova on Jun 17, 2011 6:19:50 GMT -5
you've facts for this or are you just ignorant.we cros have less thugz loool who says that you or a scientist who has done research.plz this is just offending and rascist to be honest. have a nice day further.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 6:27:42 GMT -5
Actually I haven't done an extensive research so I don't have hard evidence to show you right now. You got me there. All I have is personal testimony from being in MANY cities in the USA and being among Balkan immigrants in those cities. I'm just stating my opinion , If you don't like it , too bad
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 6:32:58 GMT -5
you've facts for this or are you just ignorant.we cros have less thugz loool who says that you or a scientist who has done research.plz this is just offending and rascist to be honest. have a nice day further. Again , I was stating an opinion , not exactly a fact. All I can say to you is go to places with large Albanian and Bosnian populations ( NYC , St Louis) and you can see for yourself. Then go to areas with large Croatian populations ( Cleveland , San Pedro-L.A. , even Astoria-NYC) and see if you see the same thug attitude among most of the youngsters. Just go an see lol. And how is it racist? I made no claim to race superiority or inferiority. I'm just asking why do white Bosnian and Albanian immigrants in America feel the need to behave like members of a different race?
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Post by gjakova on Jun 17, 2011 6:43:56 GMT -5
do you know what you are writing.behaving like other races? ?this sounds rascist so you don't consider everyone equally bcs i only see one race and it's the human one,not white black how old are you? ?bcs you talk like a little rascist child. saying something offending without facts or anything lol and most albs i know don't stay with cros.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 7:10:39 GMT -5
You cannot deny reality , especially here in the United States as far as racial cultures go. It's not racist to point out that black or hispanic Americans , particularly young ones , behave a certain way. That is merely an observation of the apparent facts. Racist is claiming one kind of racial behavior is morally superior or inferior to another. I'm not saying whites are 'holier' than blacks and even whites have our 'white trashy' people.
However , this is a phenomenon that is more apparent in the United States ,GB , Germany , and countries where Latinos , Whites , Arabs , and Blacks live together. OTOH Blacks that are immigrants here in the U.S. from Africa and other places do not behave like Afro-Americans. My personal physician is a Black doctor from Nigeria. A very educated man and good doctor. Likewise Mexican immigrants are some of the hardest workers on the planet.
My point was that young Bosnian and Albanian immigrants ( I don't know why) tend to get hooked on this 'Thug Life' style you find priminate in gangster culture which is most prominant among Afro-Americans and Hispanic-Americans. Why is that?
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Post by gjakova on Jun 17, 2011 7:19:09 GMT -5
gangster culture LOL again no facts or anything just a rascist biased opinion from a silly immigrant from croatia LOL i can say the same about your croats from what i've seen you guys suckup to serbs any day.but see this isn't thrustworthy bcs i don't have any facts just what i've seen from some cros in the neighbourhood. AGAIN HOW OLD ARE YOU ? bcs i can't believe a grownup man believes in sh*t like this
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 7:43:02 GMT -5
gangster culture LOL again no facts or anything just a rascist biased opinion from a silly immigrant from croatia LOL i can say the same about your croats from what i've seen you guys suckup to serbs any day.but see this isn't thrustworthy bcs i don't have any facts just what i've seen from some cros in the neighbourhood. AGAIN HOW OLD ARE YOU ? bcs i can't believe a grownup man believes in sh*t like this I told you this was an opinion from the beginning. If you wish to confirm what I'm saying go look for yourself. I find it unbelievable that you can't notice it. And you have in no way shown my opinions to be racist. As far as sucking up to Serbs , far from it my friend. Just ask most of the Serbs and their tool , Pyrros , what they think of me lol. I'm 30 btw. And I never denied that some Croats act that way too but in far less proportion than Bosnians and Albanians.
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Post by odel on Jun 17, 2011 8:16:32 GMT -5
I agree to a certain degree, Prisojanin. While I personally can't speak specifically for US Albs or US Bosnians for that matter as I've never been to the US, I do think I can speak of Albanians generally.
Here in Norway I don't really see the great wigger tendencies among Albs or Bosnians, although there surely are some wiggers among them. However, I do see some tendency for both towards the "Kebab culture" as they call it here in Norway, which is basically Pakistani thug culture and the reason for this I think is because of the fact that we're both European people but we're also linked to the east seeing as we're Muslim, so it's a bit harder to fit in due to Islam making us more "ethnic" and "exotic" one might say. These kids don't really know where they belong to and therefore they take stupid lifestyles up.
I know Albanians and Bosnians who have lived in Norway long enough to be able to speak the language well and in a proper dialect, however, they adopt the Kebab norsk dialect, meaning that they speak broken Norwegian with Pakistani, Persian, Arabic, Turkish and etc loanwords, they do this on purpose and not because they're not able to speak properly. Again, it's because they don't really know where to belong to and being Muslim makes them think that they can relate to the Kebab culture for example.
The same thing should go for US Albanians and Bosnians aswell, I haven't seen the wiggers you were speaking of irl but I've seen it online, people with names like: Thebl00dyalb0, alb04life and etc. I think it's sad but it has it's reasons.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 17, 2011 12:56:05 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats.
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Post by gjakova on Jun 17, 2011 13:20:06 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats. i don't this is true,i fit perfectly here in belgium,i'm in a catholic school never fought or had any problems.i'm actually less agressive then belgians themself.i think it all depends on the person self bcs i'm also raised like every other albanian and i'm not a thug or anything else.
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Post by emer on Jun 17, 2011 17:42:12 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats. Your I’m right because I’m Dinaric argument has lost the spark it once had. I’m sure you have better arguments brewing underneath that plis. If the so-called “thug” culture fits Dinaric Albanians and Bosnians because of their dinaric tendencies, what of the homothug culture? And what about the guido subculture? I feel as if the Albanians and other fellow balkanites, especially in the northeast, are sometimes torn between these two urban phenomenons.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:04:11 GMT -5
I agree to a certain degree, Prisojanin. While I personally can't speak specifically for US Albs or US Bosnians for that matter as I've never been to the US, I do think I can speak of Albanians generally. Here in Norway I don't really see the great wigger tendencies among Albs or Bosnians, although there surely are some wiggers among them. However, I do see some tendency for both towards the "Kebab culture" as they call it here in Norway, which is basically Pakistani thug culture and the reason for this I think is because of the fact that we're both European people but we're also linked to the east seeing as we're Muslim, so it's a bit harder to fit in due to Islam making us more "ethnic" and "exotic" one might say. These kids don't really know where they belong to and therefore they take stupid lifestyles up. I know Albanians and Bosnians who have lived in Norway long enough to be able to speak the language well and in a proper dialect, however, they adopt the Kebab norsk dialect, meaning that they speak broken Norwegian with Pakistani, Persian, Arabic, Turkish and etc loanwords, they do this on purpose and not because they're not able to speak properly. Again, it's because they don't really know where to belong to and being Muslim makes them think that they can relate to the Kebab culture for example. The same thing should go for US Albanians and Bosnians aswell, I haven't seen the wiggers you were speaking of irl but I've seen it online, people with names like: Thebl00dyalb0, alb04life and etc. I think it's sad but it has it's reasons. Thank you for understanding. Still , I don't think its a muslim related thing because I see some Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats also 'wiggered out.' (But still way more Bosnian-Muslim-Bosniaks) It just so happens that the 'kebab' Pakis are your 'urban class' there while Afro-Americans and Latinos are here. There is a common thread of 'thug life' throughout the world though. Here is another interesting fact. When the same Bosnians go back ( can't speak for Albanians at this point because I never been to Albania or Kosovo) and they are in their homeland , most of them hardly act like the street thugs they try to be in the States. They act almost like cultured young individuals and don't even 'thug out' the language there. It's like they hide that side of themselves from their greater family. Anyway the whole thing is tasteless to me but to each their own right?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:12:51 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats. Perhaps you have a point. Although what one might consider the 'dinaric gene' is more prevailant in Croatia than Albania. Just saying. But yeah , Croatia proper was not completely engulfed by the Ottomans for five centuries and there is a more cultural diversity in Croatia. But I think that has little to do with it. Because even 'Dinaric Croats' i.e. from Dalmatia and Herzegovina don't really behave like this ( there are a few instances though) while the 'Dinaric Bosniaks and Albanians' behave like this in much higher frequency. It could be where they settled too actually. Croats started coming to the States and established themselves long before Bosniaks and Albanians started coming here in waves. Hardly any of us were attached to some 'refugee program' and we weren't relocated to some midwest or southern city like St.Louis where one might encouter a lot of 'thug' culture , among the youth at least. Or maybe its the parents' line of work no? Perhaps the fathers of Alb and Bos refugees have to get long hours and labor jobs. I know a lot of Bosnians get work in the trucking industry and they are on the road constantly , away from their kids leaving out a vital element of their childhood. Who knows? I'm not a psychologist I just notice this trend.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:14:45 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats. i don't this is true,i fit perfectly here in belgium,i'm in a catholic school never fought or had any problems.i'm actually less agressive then belgians themself.i think it all depends on the person self bcs i'm also raised like every other albanian and i'm not a thug or anything else. Hey that's great man. I'm just saying , come visit some popular Albanian communities in the U.S. and you'll see what I'm talking about. Thanks to Odel's input , I guess in Norway too. I'm not calling Alb culture 'thug' even though these young Albanians like to thing it is I'm calling young Albanian-American culture 'thuggy' in many respect. Get it?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:17:24 GMT -5
You can guys can go on and on with superficial reasons but he bottom line is that Albs and Bosnians are more Dinaric racially/culturally than Croats. Being in American school systems and urban centers, the only thing 'American' that they can latch onto that fits with their relatively more aggressive nature is, sadly, 'thug' culture. Its harder for them to fit into the typical passive native style of white Americans, or even Norwegians for that matter than it is for Croats. Your I’m right because I’m Dinaric argument has lost the spark it once had. I’m sure you have better arguments brewing underneath that plis. If the so-called “thug” culture fits Dinaric Albanians and Bosnians because of their dinaric tendencies, what of the homothug culture? And what about the guido subculture? I feel as if the Albanians and other fellow balkanites, especially in the northeast, are sometimes torn between these two urban phenomenons. I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 17, 2011 21:57:06 GMT -5
Mbiemer, it seems your agreeing with me anyways. Guido culture is also considered more aggressive, it all depends on where you live. Thus an Alb is less likely to be a guido if he lives in St. Louis than if he lives in New Jersey.
Priso, your right about the when back home the 'thugs' don't act like they do in the diaspora. For one thing just dressing like a thug will get you laughed at and ridiculed in Albania/Kosova.
The thing about Albs/Bosnians is that unlike Croatians their culture back home at the time right before they left wasn't as 'Western' or 'developed' as were the Croats or Serbs. Back home at the time in Kosova and Bosnia was a LOT different than it is now. If there was a massive exodus now from either place to the West it would be the complete opposite with probably zero kids adopting these aggressive sub-cultures. Albs and Bosniaks are a lot more westernized today than they were in the 90's. I think it boils down to cultural experience in this regard.
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