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Post by gjakova on Jun 18, 2011 4:54:33 GMT -5
Your I’m right because I’m Dinaric argument has lost the spark it once had. I’m sure you have better arguments brewing underneath that plis. If the so-called “thug” culture fits Dinaric Albanians and Bosnians because of their dinaric tendencies, what of the homothug culture? And what about the guido subculture? I feel as if the Albanians and other fellow balkanites, especially in the northeast, are sometimes torn between these two urban phenomenons. I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural. you speak on behalf of all croatians worldwide bcs this just sounds stupid.albs in usa are doing pretty fine as far as i know bcs all my uncles live in NY and they all have it nice going like most albanians in usa.and don't forget they're more then 1mill albs in usa much more then cros so if you see a bit more bad apples on the side of albanians it's normal bcs we're in larger numbers there.you guys are more concentrated in chile and australia.
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Japodian
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Post by Japodian on Jun 18, 2011 6:09:32 GMT -5
Actually there is twice as much more Croats in USA than Albanians. I do not know where the information about more than million Albanians came from, but the census data show that there were around 420 000 Croats and around 201 000 Albanians in 2007.
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Post by emer on Jun 18, 2011 18:35:33 GMT -5
Mbiemer, it seems your agreeing with me anyways. I think you need to readjust your plis because we're not understanding each other it seems.
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Post by emer on Jun 18, 2011 18:39:18 GMT -5
I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural. you speak on behalf of all croatians worldwide bcs this just sounds stupid.albs in usa are doing pretty fine as far as i know bcs all my uncles live in NY and they all have it nice going like most albanians in usa.and don't forget they're more then 1mill albs in usa much more then cros so if you see a bit more bad apples on the side of albanians it's normal bcs we're in larger numbers there.you guys are more concentrated in chile and australia. Your grammar is very annoying, please spell out because, because every time you write "bcs" I want to punch you.
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Post by emer on Jun 18, 2011 18:42:16 GMT -5
Your I’m right because I’m Dinaric argument has lost the spark it once had. I’m sure you have better arguments brewing underneath that plis. If the so-called “thug” culture fits Dinaric Albanians and Bosnians because of their dinaric tendencies, what of the homothug culture? And what about the guido subculture? I feel as if the Albanians and other fellow balkanites, especially in the northeast, are sometimes torn between these two urban phenomenons. I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural. That might have something to do with the fact that Bosnians and Albanians mostly are Muslim and feel more ethnic, which doesn't make much sense but I think that's one of the reasons. I also think that's a good reason for everyone to convert back to Christianity but that's another topic.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 18, 2011 21:38:52 GMT -5
Good one mbiemer I just tilted it foward a little bit, lol. But I still don't see how you where disagreeing with me, clarify if you can.
Also I would bet Catholic Albs have a higher percentage of thugged or guidoed-out youth here in the US. Either way its a close call, I don't think religion matters much in this.
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Post by kolonia on Jun 19, 2011 16:29:19 GMT -5
I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural. That might have something to do with the fact that Bosnians and Albanians mostly are Muslim and feel more ethnic, which doesn't make much sense but I think that's one of the reasons. I also think that's a good reason for everyone to convert back to Christianity but that's another topic. Why convert when it would be easier to forget all of them, or are people that f**king stupid that they still need an old book to direct them the right way. Religion was perfect when it was first started, however it such an outdated ideology that is actually creating a separation/clan between people.
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Post by uz on Jun 19, 2011 16:38:09 GMT -5
I finally agree with you.
Except, I think that religion was exactly meant for that.
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Post by emer on Jun 19, 2011 21:15:57 GMT -5
I said Christianity not Catholics...and kolonia religion was nowhere near perfect when it first started, quite the opposite. You people won't change your minds and if you can't change that you can't change anything so let's agree to disagree.
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Post by uz on Jun 19, 2011 21:25:54 GMT -5
Absolutely. First and formost the debate on religion needs to be settled before moving on to the next ....
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Post by odel on Jun 20, 2011 7:00:08 GMT -5
Mass converting to Christianity would be nothing but stupid, Albanians don't really care that much for religion and converting to Christianity just as to go from being nominal Muslims to becoming nominal Christians is silly.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 20, 2011 7:27:07 GMT -5
Mbiemer, it seems your agreeing with me anyways. Guido culture is also considered more aggressive, it all depends on where you live. Thus an Alb is less likely to be a guido if he lives in St. Louis than if he lives in New Jersey. Priso, your right about the when back home the 'thugs' don't act like they do in the diaspora. For one thing just dressing like a thug will get you laughed at and ridiculed in Albania/Kosova. The thing about Albs/Bosnians is that unlike Croatians their culture back home at the time right before they left wasn't as 'Western' or 'developed' as were the Croats or Serbs. Back home at the time in Kosova and Bosnia was a LOT different than it is now. If there was a massive exodus now from either place to the West it would be the complete opposite with probably zero kids adopting these aggressive sub-cultures. Albs and Bosniaks are a lot more westernized today than they were in the 90's. I think it boils down to cultural experience in this regard. I guess we can only really tell in another decade or so if the diaspora kids think they're still gangsters.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 20, 2011 7:30:56 GMT -5
I can tell you first hand. Hinterland Dalmatian & Herzegovian Croats are as Dinaric as you can get but we typically don't fall in line with the 'thug' culture like our Bosnian cousins. In fact , that sort of culture is a turn off and feels forced and unnatural. you speak on behalf of all croatians worldwide bcs this just sounds stupid.albs in usa are doing pretty fine as far as i know bcs all my uncles live in NY and they all have it nice going like most albanians in usa.and don't forget they're more then 1mill albs in usa much more then cros so if you see a bit more bad apples on the side of albanians it's normal bcs we're in larger numbers there.you guys are more concentrated in chile and australia. I don't propose to speak for all Cros and sorry if I came off that way. I was merely pointing out that I don't think 'Dinaric culture' has anything to do with it. And your numbers sound more like a guestimate. I find it hard to believe there are more Albanians here than us considering our long history in the U.S. Thanks Japodian.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 20, 2011 7:31:43 GMT -5
I said Christianity not Catholics...and kolonia religion was nowhere near perfect when it first started, quite the opposite. You people won't change your minds and if you can't change that you can't change anything so let's agree to disagree. Catholics are Christians.
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Post by kolonia on Jun 20, 2011 12:35:51 GMT -5
I said Christianity not Catholics...and kolonia religion was nowhere near perfect when it first started, quite the opposite. You people won't change your minds and if you can't change that you can't change anything so let's agree to disagree. No one said it was perfect. I really believe religion was much better than nothing, I think religion did set out some rules as opposed to a wild wild west style of life, where people feared nothing, and because of that people were ruthless. Religion installed some kind of law/rule/fear in people. However, religion of course had its negative sides. I don't know who you are referring to with "you poeple...". Maybe to us non-religious people, but I still have no clue about this change you talking about. People can be religious, a thing I do not mind at all, however just stay away from me if the only thing you know about is religion. I can have a discussion about religion, but not a 24/7 thing, and especially when you are trying to sway me towards one.
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Post by emer on Jun 20, 2011 18:10:59 GMT -5
I said Christianity not Catholics...and kolonia religion was nowhere near perfect when it first started, quite the opposite. You people won't change your minds and if you can't change that you can't change anything so let's agree to disagree. No one said it was perfect. You wrote it you blind mutherf**ker. [/quote] Religion was perfect when it was first started [/quote] I won't respond to the rest of your dribbel because clearly you're delusional.
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Post by emer on Jun 20, 2011 18:13:22 GMT -5
I said Christianity not Catholics...and kolonia religion was nowhere near perfect when it first started, quite the opposite. You people won't change your minds and if you can't change that you can't change anything so let's agree to disagree. Catholics are Christians. I meant not ONLY Catholics
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Post by kolonia on Jun 20, 2011 18:30:04 GMT -5
No one said it was perfect. You wrote it you blind mutherf**ker. Religion was perfect when it was first started [/quote] I won't respond to the rest of your dribbel because clearly you're delusional. [/quote] Fuck is wrong with you? So I used the wrong word in the case. Whooped it do. I think you are more pissed that I think Christianity and all the other religions should fuck off. Pray to Jesus cocksucker, who is more delusional? Me or a person that believes God has a Son, who's name is Jesus, who came back from death and healed people by touching them??
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Post by uz on Jun 20, 2011 18:32:44 GMT -5
^ Relax man, a lot of people out there beleive in a lot of things "some", perhaps like yourself would consider them crazy. Same way, they probably think you're even more crazy for not "knowing".
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Post by kolonia on Jun 20, 2011 19:12:05 GMT -5
^ Relax man, a lot of people out there beleive in a lot of things "some", perhaps like yourself would consider them crazy. Same way, they probably think you're even more crazy for not "knowing". I'm relaxed, the only person no relaxed is the person that decided to jump on my d*** because of a misplaced word. I also said that I do not mind religious people, as long as they do not shove it up my throat. I would like to think I'm a person who wants proof, and a book written a thousand years ago is not enough. Just think, if today a religion was started that claimed a man, with a beard and long hair healed people with some kind of magical power and came back from death, we would call them crazy. The Bible, Quran etc etc have some very wise words written from a wise person/people, but with craziness included to install some kind of fear/out of this world thing, which would translate to people following/believing in it. In todays world we have the law, we have judges and court rooms, we have police, jails etc etc to keep things under control, do we actually need religion?
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