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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2011 7:48:39 GMT -5
Ivo, l wouldn't be saying respect to a disguisting Komiti or BuLgarski Comitadji.
I just want to brief both Ivo and Chento on this demon, the BuLgarski Komitadji, and its role to exterminate Serbs:
"The worst period of the Bulgarian terror in Macedonia set in when the Serbian population began to express its Serbian feeling and to demand Serbian schools and Serbian priests. From that time dates the systematic assasination of Serbs. Already in 1884, Cvetko Popovich, schoolmaster in Lukovo, was murdered by Bulgars. In 1885 the Bulgars founded committes in Rumelia for making propaganda in Macedonia. In 1886, inspired by these committees, began secret attacks upon everybody and everything that hindered the Bulgars in Macedonia. Whole bands were despatched by the Bulgarian Government to SUPPRESS SERBIAN FEELING. At a general meeting of all the Bulgarian Committees in Sofia in 1894, the so called "Spoljna Organizacija" (Foreign Organization) was formed for the purpose of bringing about the autonomy of the Bulgarian regions in Turkey. In 1896 the Bulgars founded the "Unutrasnja Organizacija" (Internal Organization), which was an organizing committee in Macedonia. This body even included several Macedonians WHO HAD BEEN BOUGHT; but both the money and the guiding spirit proceeded from Bulgaria. Its purpose was TO PUT AN END TO THE SERBS. Never will the Serbian population forget the branches of this organization which rampaiged all over Macedonia. The NAME OF "BULGARIAN KOMITADJI" IS NOTORIOUS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. THREATS, BLACKMAIL, MURDER, THE EXPULSION OF WHOLE VILLAGES COMMUNITIES - THESE WERE THE EXPLOITS PERPETRATED WHOLESALE BY THE BULGARS. Led by John Varnelija (from Varna) and Pan Arnaut, a band of Komitadji from Bulgaria attacked the inhabitants of the neighbourhood of Veles, with the intent to murder all who refused to declare themselves as Bulgars. The terror was appalling. BY 1900 THE SERBIAN VILLAGE OF ORAHOVAC IN KOSOVO WAS COMPLETELY DEPOPULATED AND DESTROYED. There were many similar instances. Even an incomplete list of the murders committed upon notable Serbs in Macedonia by the Bulgars up to 1907 is appalling. In the neighbourhood of Kumanovo and Kriva Palanka, the Bulgars in 1905, within less than five months, murdered fifty-nine highly respected Serbian priests, schoolmasters, and citizens. But even this terror sometimes failed to achieve its object. The innate Serbian feeling of the Macedonians COULD NOT BE ERADICATED. From time to time it showed in unmistakable clearness. Any such manisfestation was met by the Bulgars in a truly ferocious spirit. We will quote a single instance. In 1899 the peasants of Strumica declared that they had been duped and terrorized by the Bulgars into signifying their adherence to the Exarchate, but that they felt that they were Serbs, that they could no longer hide their feelings, and that they wished to secede from the Exarchate. The leader of these victimized Serbs was their parish priest Aleksa. For this the Bulgars took a horrible vengeance upon him. They first set fire to his house, and then cut to pieces his wife, his brother, his daughter-in-law, and his two children."
- Le Brigandage en Macedoine, un rapport conlidentiel au governement bulgare, Berlin.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2011 8:31:59 GMT -5
"then explain to us the formation of two mak divisions who took part in wwi. vardarska, bitoljska. do not confuse politics with ethnic similarities. during the wars often brothers fought brothers, as in case of greece. it was all politics. maks were always far from being anti-serb..."
The problem was the poison from the Bulgarianised Serbs, as Chento admits, his family had sympathy for the BuLgarski cause in the region. Just like the Bulgarianised Serb Ivan Mihailov, whom Elisabeth Barker describes as a "Killer and a ganster on a large scale, not a revolutionary." This Mihailov garbage was torn between his loyality to Bulgaria and the propaganda of his organization advocating an indepandant Macedonia.
Pyrro, the VRMO survived politically in Southern Serbia after Serbia gained them their freedom from both the Turk and BuLgarin. Most of the adherants to this party were Bulgarianised *Serbs* and after WW1, the Bulgarian government backed them and used them as a means of propagating its views on the Bulgarian character of Macedonia.
Now, VRMO (Sympathizers to Bulgaria) and the HRSS (Croatian Peasant Movement) were in-contact with each other. These two groups, as they put, were in a struggle against Yugoslavia.
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"On November 17 of the same year, the trial opened in Skopje of a group of students belonging to a secret revoultionary organization of Macedonian youth. Counsel for the defense were Dr. Ante Pavelich, later a leader of the Ustashe, Dr. Ante Trumbich and Dr. Sekula Drljevich, a leader of the Montenegran federalists. The future miliant alliance between the Ustashe and the champions of the Macedonian cause could already be discerned. A year later, on November 16, 1928, Ivan Mihailov declared in a statement on the warlike aims of IMRO: "IMRO is following events in Yugoslavia closely. It is convinced that the Croats regard the Macedonians' claims for autonomy favorably.....If Yugoslavia becomes involved in a war with a foreign power, IMRO will know that its moment has come."
- Ibid, Nov. 16, 1928.
I can't be bothered delving further into this matter, l'll leave it for next time.
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Post by ivo on Aug 11, 2011 8:47:27 GMT -5
Disgusting!? These were people who dedicated their lives to the freedom of Macedonia. These people risked EVERYTHING, even their families, knowing that they will be put to death if they were caught.
They fought for what they believed in and died with honor for a just cause.
But then again, you know nothing of honor.
Their actions were solely in DEFENSE of their homeland, their families, and the freedoms that had been taken away from them.
The Serbian minorities in Macedonia "suffered" because of the actions of the Serbian government. However the "suffering" that those few Serbs endured due their own decisions, is in no way comparable to the atrocities that the Serbs committed all throughout Macedonia.
Ironically enough, it seems the Muslim Ottoman Turks treated the local populations with more dignity and respect.
So the entire concept of "Slavic Unity", "Slavic Orthodox Brotherhood" and all that other BS was forgone simply because of several Serbian politicians that were driven by greed.
The bottom line is that for all those actions you speak off.. it was Serbia that opened the floodgates. In 1885 they underhandedly attacked a population that was struggling to gain it's freedom from the Ottomans, thankfully the Serbs were defeated. Unfortunately, the underhanded scheming with your loyal friends the Greeks managed to get you control of Vardar Macedonia.
Actions have consequences and we all have to live with them. So grow some balls, learn some actual history, and stop crying like a little bitch.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 11, 2011 9:03:18 GMT -5
^ Sorry, your cousins the Turks brought this demon in and terrorised the majority SERBIAN population. I know, it was the Serbo-Turkish wars that resulted in this Ottoman *REACTION*, banning the name Srbin in Southern Serbia.
Don't worry, my balls are bigger than yours, l speak the truth and this Komitadji was a hated group that both Greeks and Serbs endured.
PS If that 1885 war was better *PLANNED* by Serbia, the freedom from Exarchos for the Southern Serbs would had been sooner.
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Post by ivo on Aug 11, 2011 9:41:01 GMT -5
Of course Greeks and Serbs hated them. The Komiti were the ones who stepped in when Greeks and Serbs were raping and pillaging innocent populations.
Hmm that's odd, 'cuz all your whiny posts sound like a crying little bitch.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 11, 2011 9:47:09 GMT -5
Of course Greeks and Serbs hated them. The Komiti were the ones who stepped in when Greeks and Serbs were raping and pillaging innocent populations. Hmm that's odd, 'cuz all your whiny posts sound like a crying little bitch. come on, idiot. greeks raped no one... cut the crap. also i cannot see how a serb can terrorize anyone in west bulgaria or makedonia, since they are practically the same nation. so its all about dirty politics and not nations... and don't sell to novi stories about greeks being hostile to (mak) slavs (which is true a big extend) when bulgos and maks have been hostile to kosovo serbs-slavs (in favor of the albs) as well. try to be honest for a second ps i dont claim serbs to be saints, but they are the first and last of the balkan slavs who envisioned, implemented and maintained a mini slavic empire. and dis-united slavs will only be fresh meat to the saxonic-germanic wolves.. Asen, things are pretty clear if you open your eyes enuf...
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Post by ivo on Aug 11, 2011 10:00:15 GMT -5
History shows us otherwise.
Ahh and yet it happened.
It is true that underhanded politics were the driving force behind it all. But having people like Pazar today only enforces those views.
The reason why Serbia lost authority of Kosovo are people who think as Pazar thinks.. people who's hearts are filled with hate, and their actions driven by racist ideals.
It is people like that that have brought suffering to all populations in the Balkans.
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Post by Anittas on Aug 11, 2011 11:21:12 GMT -5
Listen man, whatever beef you may have with the Roma is between you and him, no comment. If 65AD is'nt ancient to you, then I shall I say again... no comment. How is 65AD more ancient than the people who inhabited Eastern Roman Empire? And what is the legacy that these ancient Serbs left us?
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Post by odel on Aug 11, 2011 15:22:34 GMT -5
Listen man, whatever beef you may have with the Roma is between you and him, no comment. If 65AD is'nt ancient to you, then I shall I say again... no comment. How is 65AD more ancient than the people who inhabited Eastern Roman Empire? And what is the legacy that these ancient Serbs left us? I'm also wondering where he got the idea that I had a "beef" with you from those small comments I made. 65 AD isn't really that important either as the Serboi mentioned weren't Slavs but Iranians, a group of Slavs then took the ethnonym Serb for themselves later on.
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Post by uz on Aug 11, 2011 16:24:44 GMT -5
The Serb name does not originate from the Iranic planes.
I have posted refrencing of the Srbi being settled along the coast of Japan (Srbija do Tokija), later along the lands of China; We are described in their ancient texts of being white, very tall and big in stature and having cat-eyes (cat-eyes is referred to those of non-asiatic eyes), after then, the Iranic planes, and so on to what was later known as "Slavic", now the question which trumps many historians is whether Serbs took up Slavic traditions or whether Slavic traditions came from Serbs... I will re-post the link when I have the time to search for it again.
Correction; Serbia lost authority over Kosovo because of NATO/US/EU illegal/Nazistic intervention, they intervened because Milosevic and those who were with him weren't willing to dance the their trumpets.
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Post by ivo on Aug 11, 2011 17:43:37 GMT -5
The path NATO/US/EU took was paved by the actions of the people I've mentioned.
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Post by uz on Aug 11, 2011 18:25:29 GMT -5
The path NATO/US/EU took was paved by the actions of the people I've mentioned. The actions of the other side were completely ignored, why do you think this was so? C'mon Ivo is it that hard to see bullshit behind all this?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 12, 2011 1:50:44 GMT -5
for asen it is extremely difficult. he has repeated this same crap so many times, i wonder if he is human or a robot programmed to act as a total jerk. it is because of idiots like him, that the bulgarian women are sold as meat in euro porn markets instead of having a normal life/job in bulgaria. apparently those people do not hate serbs, as an extension, they hate their own selves as well. situation today in serbia-bosna-bulgaria (and croatia, makedonia, slovenia, etc...) is extremely identical, but some people always see the little bush and miss the vast forest.
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Post by ulf on Aug 12, 2011 2:02:52 GMT -5
I have posted refrencing of the Srbi being settled along the coast of Japan (Srbija do Tokija), later along the lands of China; We are described in their ancient texts of being white, very tall and big in stature and having cat-eyes (cat-eyes is referred to those of non-asiatic eyes), after then, the Iranic planes, and so on to what was later known as "Slavic", now the question which trumps many historians is whether Serbs took up Slavic traditions or whether Slavic traditions came from Serbs... I will re-post the link when I have the time to search for it again. lolololol, I almost cracked laughing, especially that part about Japan coast
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 12, 2011 2:21:21 GMT -5
the greatest mystery of all, are the serbian toponyms in northern africa, zagora, brezina, etc...
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Post by uz on Aug 12, 2011 4:51:19 GMT -5
I am no hardline nationalist, I am simply repeating infomation I came across.
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Post by ulf on Aug 12, 2011 5:23:28 GMT -5
I am no hardline nationalist, I am simply repeating infomation I came across. Just stop reading and quoting Deretic and his companion of lunatics
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 12, 2011 5:25:46 GMT -5
"Correction; Serbia lost authority over Kosovo because of NATO/US/EU illegal/Nazistic intervention, they intervened because Milosevic and those who were with him weren't willing to dance the their trumpets." You know UZ, the West, in the early years of Miloshevich, were singing praise for him. Miloshevich lost his life for NOT giving up central and Vojvodina Serbia to the US, hence why he said after the 79 day bombing that he won
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 12, 2011 6:17:38 GMT -5
I am no hardline nationalist, I am simply repeating infomation I came across. Just stop reading and quoting Deretic and his companion of lunatics Deretic took it to the extreme, i agree, BUT he has brought up MANY good points which were ignored until recently. Deretic has formed a complete system which tries to answer questions. You cannot separate one of his sentences from his whole system. But OTOH, one counter-example is enough to dis-prove his theory. My wife recently bought a fantastic new book on the history of serbs. I will give more info when i'll meet her.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Aug 12, 2011 6:18:39 GMT -5
"Correction; Serbia lost authority over Kosovo because of NATO/US/EU illegal/Nazistic intervention, they intervened because Milosevic and those who were with him weren't willing to dance the their trumpets." You know UZ, the West, in the early years of Miloshevich, were singing praise for him. Miloshevich lost his life for NOT giving up central and Vojvodina Serbia to the US, hence why he said after the 79 day bombing that he won i too believe that Slobo was not the monster certain Serbs like to portray him.
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