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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 13:22:07 GMT -5
Consider this my sole reply over this topic: Just check what was invented where and under whom.
Greatest Roman and Greek philosophers/mathematicians/architects weren't even remotely Christian. In fact most of the mathematics was done by pre-Islamic polytheistic people of Fertile Crescent, Vedic/Hinduistic Indians and irreligious Europeans living during Reneissance and later - in that exact order through the history. Most of the technical things were done by Chinese and which was later put to practical use by Europeans. Most of those pagan religions were more liberal than Christianity. Christian rulers had luck to suck the blood out of the fallen empire of Rome where science and art was flourising.
Byzantine empire destroyed Greeks. By the 5th century they closed all universities (except the one in Constantinople) moved all education to churches, which was the ultimate cause of their fall as church was working against the law of evolution. Stupid population can't make great things. Serbia has Byzantinism problem definitively. I consider it dangerous.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 13:32:08 GMT -5
Consider this my sole reply over this topic: Just check what was invented where and under whom.
Greatest Roman and Greek philosophers/mathematicians/architects weren't even remotely Christian. In fact most of the mathematics was done by pre-Islamic polytheistic people of Fertile Crescent, Vedic/Hinduistic Indians and irreligious Europeans living during Reneissance and later - in that exact order through the history. Most of the technical things were done by Chinese and which was later put to practical use by Europeans. Most of those pagan religions were more liberal than Christianity. Christian rulers had luck to suck the blood out of the fallen empire of Rome where science and art was flourising.
Byzantine empire destroyed Greeks. By the 5th century they closed all universities (except the one in Constantinople) moved all education to churches, which was the ultimate cause of their fall as church was working against the law of evolution. Stupid population can't make great things. Serbia has Byzantinism problem definitively. I consider it dangerous.
The ancients did not have barbaric external enemies they would have to deal with, empires such as byzantine did, for example the coming of slavs raids done by Vandals germanics celts etc.... it was just simpler to conduct science literature and the arts during the ancient times, the byzantine empire flourished equally in my opinion and developed very quickly regarding it's position on the map and raids done by "barbaric" groups ie: Slavs,Germans,Turks Magyars. we've loosened the screw on religion now and look where that's landed us, today we have WESTERN powers thanks to a lack of religion Byzantine empire was loose on religion as most medicinal and scientific practices from the roman and greek empires were preserved as well as new theories and inventions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 13:55:48 GMT -5
Consider this my sole reply over this topic: Just check what was invented where and under whom.
Greatest Roman and Greek philosophers/mathematicians/architects weren't even remotely Christian. In fact most of the mathematics was done by pre-Islamic polytheistic people of Fertile Crescent, Vedic/Hinduistic Indians and irreligious Europeans living during Reneissance and later - in that exact order through the history. Most of the technical things were done by Chinese and which was later put to practical use by Europeans. Most of those pagan religions were more liberal than Christianity. Christian rulers had luck to suck the blood out of the fallen empire of Rome where science and art was flourising.
Byzantine empire destroyed Greeks. By the 5th century they closed all universities (except the one in Constantinople) moved all education to churches, which was the ultimate cause of their fall as church was working against the law of evolution. Stupid population can't make great things. Serbia has Byzantinism problem definitively. I consider it dangerous.
The ancients did not have barbaric external enemies they would have to deal with, empires such as byzantine did, for example the coming of slavs raids done by Vandals germanics celts etc.... it was just simpler to conduct science literature and the arts during the ancient times, the byzantine empire flourished equally in my opinion and developed very quickly regarding it's position on the map and raids done by "barbaric" groups ie: Slavs,Germans,Turks Magyars. we've loosened the screw on religion now and look where that's landed us, today we have WESTERN powers thanks to a lack of religion Byzantine empire was loose on religion as most medicinal and scientific practices from the roman and greek empires were preserved as well as new theories and inventions. I'm not going to start what Byzantines did and what they didn't do. All your young mind needs to know is that Byzantines were greedy and immoral bastards. That's why they seized to exist. Sadly it took time for them to go down. Such kingdoms are only harmful for the world. The same happened with late Ottoman empire during 18th century, but for much shorter period, as the faster information transfer and more numerous population do not allow amateurish mistakes by their leaders/government. Western world is foreign to us, because culture is foreign, but so is Byzantine culture. If you feel closeness to Byzantine culture you can't consider yourself Slav.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 13:58:06 GMT -5
The ancients did not have barbaric external enemies they would have to deal with, empires such as byzantine did, for example the coming of slavs raids done by Vandals germanics celts etc.... it was just simpler to conduct science literature and the arts during the ancient times, the byzantine empire flourished equally in my opinion and developed very quickly regarding it's position on the map and raids done by "barbaric" groups ie: Slavs,Germans,Turks Magyars. we've loosened the screw on religion now and look where that's landed us, today we have WESTERN powers thanks to a lack of religion Byzantine empire was loose on religion as most medicinal and scientific practices from the roman and greek empires were preserved as well as new theories and inventions. I'm not going to start what Byzantines did and what they didn't do. All your young mind needs to know is that Byzantines were greedy and immoral bastards. That's why they seized to exist. Sadly it took time for them to go down. Such kingdoms are only harmful for the world. The same happened with late Ottoman empire during 18th century, but for much shorter period, as the faster information transfer and more numerous population do not allow amateurish mistakes by their leaders/government. Western world is foreign to us, because culture is foreign, but so is Byzantine culture. If you feel closeness to Byzantine culture you can't consider yourself Slav. I am not close to byzantine culture however I am an orthodox Christian and support other orthodox christians.
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Post by Pyrros on Jul 14, 2018 14:01:10 GMT -5
@ulf : sorry bro, but dont watch too much history channel. Byzantine empire did not kill Greek spirit, because Byzantine empire didn't exist. All along it was called ROMAN empire. Now Greeks weren't killed by any church. Greeks were killed by the Germans in 200-400 AD. When Slavs came in southern Greece they found empty space. That's why the 1000 SLAVIC toponyms in SOUTH GREECE.
@branislav bro, Slavs did no raids against any Byzantine empire bro. THEY WERE THE EASTERN (roman) EMPIRE. Everything was SLAVIC. The term "byzantine" was a later german hoax .
Now the value of a culture if we adopt smth like Dostojevski's formula = (actual value) / (harm done to others).
By this formula the value of the (christian/anti-christian/pagan/anti-pagan) west is ZERO.
Guys if you spent 1/10 of the time you spend on studying anti-Slav cultures on your own FANTASTIC culture, maybe things would be better?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:07:17 GMT -5
I'm not going to start what Byzantines did and what they didn't do. All your young mind needs to know is that Byzantines were greedy and immoral bastards. That's why they seized to exist. Sadly it took time for them to go down. Such kingdoms are only harmful for the world. The same happened with late Ottoman empire during 18th century, but for much shorter period, as the faster information transfer and more numerous population do not allow amateurish mistakes by their leaders/government. Western world is foreign to us, because culture is foreign, but so is Byzantine culture. If you feel closeness to Byzantine culture you can't consider yourself Slav. I am not close to byzantine culture however I am an orthodox Christian and support other orthodox christians. Everyone should have the right to do whatever it pleases this individual as long as it doesn't endangers the basic rights of different groups within the same nation. Sometimes these disturbances occur. Mostly the were instigated by followers of Abrahamic religions in classic sense, but other groups too had their involvement. That being said I don't mind the rational Christians. Pushing it over the top is ultimately detrimental for all of us and creates inner conflict, but I'd be a damn fool and an idiot if I don't stand for my ideals even if the price is my own life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:09:37 GMT -5
Pyrros I know Byzantines = Roman empire. The term "Byzantine" was coined by Hieronymus Wolf who was German himself. Many Greeks died because they got bubonic plague in 4th century from North Africa, probably due to wheat trade.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 14:10:14 GMT -5
@ulf : sorry bro, but dont watch too much history channel. Byzantine empire did not kill Greek spirit, because Byzantine empire didn't exist. All along it was called ROMAN empire. Now Greeks weren't killed by any church. Greeks were killed by the Germans in 200-400 AD. When Slavs came in southern Greece they found empty space. That's why the 1000 SLAVIC toponyms in SOUTH GREECE.
@branislav bro, Slavs did no raids against any Byzantine empire bro. THEY WERE THE EASTERN (roman) EMPIRE. Everything was SLAVIC. The term "byzantine" was a later german hoax .
Now the value of a culture if we adopt smth like Dostojevski's formula = (actual value) / (harm done to others).
By this formula the value of the (christian/anti-christian/pagan/anti-pagan) west is ZERO.
Guys if you spent 1/10 of the time you spend on studying anti-Slav cultures on your own FANTASTIC culture, maybe things would be better?
Because not much is known about our history/culture due to the fact that not that many ancient authors wrote or knew about us. also Greek was the official language of the byzantine empire, and the slavic toponyms in southern greece are due to the raids done by slavs against the Eastern roman empire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:16:59 GMT -5
Guys if you spent 1/10 of the time you spend on studying anti-Slav cultures on your own FANTASTIC culture, maybe things would be better? I spent a lot of time studying both Slavic and non-Slavic cultures. Both European and non-European. I am not an expert but I can point out a couple of things good about each culture. This conversation happens to go in the direction of (Eastern) Roman empire.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 14:17:56 GMT -5
Guys if you spent 1/10 of the time you spend on studying anti-Slav cultures on your own FANTASTIC culture, maybe things would be better? I spent a lot of time studying both Slavic and non-Slavic cultures. Both European and non-European. I am not an expert but I can point out a couple of things good about each culture. This conversation happens to go in the direction of (Eastern) Roman empire. Is there a link between Slavic and Asian cultures?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:25:27 GMT -5
I spent a lot of time studying both Slavic and non-Slavic cultures. Both European and non-European. I am not an expert but I can point out a couple of things good about each culture. This conversation happens to go in the direction of (Eastern) Roman empire. Is there a link between Slavic and Asian cultures? Depends on what is Asian for you, but I'll give you an old text from a culture that existed in Asia many years ago:
Dame vidhava: jivati. Damas navas asti. Dame agnis asti: vidhava: damam ta:payati. Сatva:ras su:navas na santi dame, аvi:kas pa:santi prasta:re. Nava: snusha na budhyate: vidhova etam snusha:m bodhayati: "Paca mansam!" iti. Snusa: havate: "Devaras, bharata avikam!" iti. "Kataram?" iti. "Ta:m tanukam, devaras!" iti. Trayas devaras ji:va:m avika:m bharanti. Avika ravati. Devaras eta:m avika:m ma:rayanti. Snusha: mesam darati, mansam pacati, dhu:me vartayati. Vidhava: su:num havate: "Vaha madhu!" iti nodayati. Su:nus ravati: "Nunam, matar!" iti. Su:nus madhu vahati. Vidhava: su:num sadayati, snusha: deveram pa:yayati. Nu:ham catva:ras adakas si:danti, ma:nsan adanti, madhu giranti. "Madhu-pi:tus ji:vanti, ma:tar!" iti ravanti.
So draw your own conclusions
PS. Read ":" as long vowel.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 14:29:59 GMT -5
Is there a link between Slavic and Asian cultures? Depends on what is Asian for you, but I'll give you an old text from a culture that existed in Asia many years ago:
Dame vidhava: jivati. Damas navas asti. Dame agnis asti: vidhava: damam ta:payati. Сatva:ras su:navas na santi dame, аvi:kas pa:santi prasta:re. Nava: snusha na budhyate: vidhova etam snusha:m bodhayati: "Paca mansam!" iti.
Snusa: havate: "Devaras, bharata avikam!" iti. "Kataram?" iti. "Ta:m tanukam, devaras!" iti. Trayas devaras ji:va:m avika:m bharanti. Avika ravati. Devaras eta:m avika:m ma:rayanti. Snusha: mesam darati, mansam pacati, dhu:me vartayati.
Vidhava: su:num havate: "Vaha madhu!" iti nodayati. Su:nus ravati: "Nunam, matar!" iti. Su:nus madhu vahati. Vidhava: su:num sadayati, snusha: deveram pa:yayati. Nu:ham catva:ras adakas si:danti, ma:nsan adanti, madhu giranti. "Madhu-pi:tus ji:vanti, ma:tar!" iti ravanti.
So draw your own conclusions
PS. Read ":" as long vowel.
I could understand about 15% of it. there is a very strong link between Slavic and Indo Aryan cultures so this would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:36:08 GMT -5
Depends on what is Asian for you, but I'll give you an old text from a culture that existed in Asia many years ago:
Dame vidhava: jivati. Damas navas asti. Dame agnis asti: vidhava: damam ta:payati. Сatva:ras su:navas na santi dame, аvi:kas pa:santi prasta:re. Nava: snusha na budhyate: vidhova etam snusha:m bodhayati: "Paca mansam!" iti. Snusa: havate: "Devaras, bharata avikam!" iti. "Kataram?" iti. "Ta:m tanukam, devaras!" iti. Trayas devaras ji:va:m avika:m bharanti. Avika ravati. Devaras eta:m avika:m ma:rayanti. Snusha: mesam darati, mansam pacati, dhu:me vartayati. Vidhava: su:num havate: "Vaha madhu!" iti nodayati. Su:nus ravati: "Nunam, matar!" iti. Su:nus madhu vahati. Vidhava: su:num sadayati, snusha: deveram pa:yayati. Nu:ham catva:ras adakas si:danti, ma:nsan adanti, madhu giranti. "Madhu-pi:tus ji:vanti, ma:tar!" iti ravanti.
So draw your own conclusions
PS. Read ":" as long vowel.
I could understand about 15% of it. Dam = dom(Serbian/Macedonian/Russian), vidhava = vidova(Russian)/vdovica(Macedonian)/udovica(Serbian), agnis = oganj, catvaras = cetvorica, navas = nov, asti = jeste .......
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 14:37:44 GMT -5
I could understand about 15% of it. Dam = dom(Serbian/Macedonian/Russian), vidhava = vidova(Russian)/vdovica(Macedonian)/udovica(Serbian), agnis = oganj, catvaras = cetvorica, navas = nov, asti = jeste ....... and many more Sanskrit - Serbian (English) Agan - oganj (fire); bagas - bog (god); brath - brat (brather); bhala - bela (white); budh - buđenja(awaken); chata - ceta (platoon); chatvaari - četvrti (fourth) (four) deti - dete (child); div - div (grand); dhr - drží (carry) dina - dan (day); dasha - deset (ten); dama - dom (home); dvi - dva (two); girya - gora (mountain); grad - grad (city); iskra - iskra (spark); kada - kada (when); kuta - Kuća (house); lip - lep (pretty); lot - ljut (angry); laghi - laki, lagan (light); ljubhva - ljubav (love); matr - mater (mother); mala - mali (little); more - more (sea); mil - mili (dear); muush - miš (mouse); nabas - nebo (sky); nava - novi (new); naham - nisam (I am not); paraha - prah (dust); prati - protiv (against); pancha -pet (five); pena - pena (bubbles); rabh - rob (slave); rosa - rosa (dune); sa - so (salt); sila - sila (might,force); sas/ShaTa - šest(six); stan - stan (lives there); sabha - soba (room); stala - stol/astal (table); tata - tata (dad); ta - taj (that person); tvar - stvar (thing); trassti - tresti (shake); trang - trag (track); tamas - tama (dark); tri - tri (three); triydosa - trinaest (thirteen); tada - tada (then); vrt - vrt (garden); vicur - večer (evening); vi - vi (you); vas - vas (you); vatara - vatra (fire); viva - živa (alive) Words relating to family relations that are identical: tata (dad), nana (granny), brat (brother), sestra (sister), strina (aunt), svekar (father in law), svekrva (mother in law), dever (brother in law), kum (god father), (could also be latin-derived) svastika (sister in law) prija (son in law's mother) I have no idea why this is though may someone please enlighten me, I get that they both have a proto-indo european connection, but the similarities are extra-ordinary,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:45:20 GMT -5
Dam = dom(Serbian/Macedonian/Russian), vidhava = vidova(Russian)/vdovica(Macedonian)/udovica(Serbian), agnis = oganj, catvaras = cetvorica, navas = nov, asti = jeste ....... I have no idea why this is though may someone please enlighten me, I get that they both have a proto-indo european connection, but the similarities are extra-ordinary, Because your ancestors ancestors ancestors were badass organizational freaks which didn't allow foreign culture (which they probably considered lesser culture) to affect their own, and beside that they conquered or colonized the lands all the way down to India.
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 14:48:12 GMT -5
I have no idea why this is though may someone please enlighten me, I get that they both have a proto-indo european connection, but the similarities are extra-ordinary, Because your ancestors ancestors ancestors were badass organizational freaks which didn't allow foreign culture (which they probably considered lesser culture) to affect their own, and beside that they conquered or colonized the lands all the way down to India. Which slavic group conquered lands down to India?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 14:56:40 GMT -5
Because your ancestors ancestors ancestors were badass organizational freaks which didn't allow foreign culture (which they probably considered lesser culture) to affect their own, and beside that they conquered or colonized the lands all the way down to India. Which slavic group conquered lands down to India? They might've not been Slavs, but ancestors of proto-Slavs, probably Scythians. They could've had different identity, but you can see they spoke very understandable language to our own. I could understand quite a lot from that text, in fact I can understand what the text talks about. Tocharians are one of the most eastern groups of Scythians. They've settled in China. There is a well known painting when they were bringing gifts to a newly born prince of China:
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 15:00:37 GMT -5
Which slavic group conquered lands down to India? They might've not been Slavs, but ancestors of proto-Slavs, probably Scythians. They could've had different identity, but you can see they spoke very understandable language to our own. I could understand quite a lot from that text, in fact I can understand what the text talks about. Tocharians are one of the most eastern groups of Scythians. They've settled in China. There is a well known painting when they were bringing gifts to a newly born prince of China:
Scythians are most likely slavic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 15:03:29 GMT -5
They might've not been Slavs, but ancestors of proto-Slavs, probably Scythians. They could've had different identity, but you can see they spoke very understandable language to our own. I could understand quite a lot from that text, in fact I can understand what the text talks about. Tocharians are one of the most eastern groups of Scythians. They've settled in China. There is a well known painting when they were bringing gifts to a newly born prince of China:
Scythians are most likely slavic. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as fast as you. It would be faird to say that Slavs are related to them. They might've been different nation. This map explains Indo-European migration well:
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Post by branislavnusic on Jul 14, 2018 15:09:06 GMT -5
Scythians are most likely slavic. I wouldn't jump to that conclusion as fast as you. It would be faird to say that Slavs are related to them. They might've been different nation. This map explains Indo-European migration well:
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