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Post by ioan on Aug 31, 2011 9:27:53 GMT -5
^^^^ because a great deal of south serbs and the vast majority of bulgarians (thracians) have a clear greek background. I somehow agree (what is happening to me?!). There is close relations with northern Greeks at least for me, it must be due to the fact that the same people were assimilated in both nations (Thracians I would guess).
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Post by ioan on Aug 31, 2011 9:29:10 GMT -5
coming from bosna/posavina to serbia is like going from sweden (bosanci) to greece (srbijanci). and going from greece/serbia to bulgaria is like going to some exotic place in asia where much darker people live (as far as looks are concerned). I ve been a lot of times in Greece and I disagree. It is very obvious the greeks IN GENERAL are much more darker than Bulgarians.
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Post by ulf on Aug 31, 2011 10:16:15 GMT -5
^ Ulf, there is a theory out there which makes mention that the Serbian tribe of Germany was the most Nordic Slav tribe (racially). Skulls were gathered and their dimensions match those from Nordic nations like: Sweden, Norway etc.... Just robust Cro-Magnons, they needn't to be Nordic, but probably there was a lot of them blond as well
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Post by ulf on Aug 31, 2011 10:23:17 GMT -5
coming from bosna/posavina to serbia is like going from sweden (bosanci) to greece (srbijanci). This statement is not true. Simply, Serbs from Serbia are lighter then Greeks, we're on pair with Bosnians and maybe just a bit more exotic then Croats(generally from north Croatia). Serbs from Central Serbia and Vojvodina are lightest, then West Serbia and in the end East Serbia. What is more interesting a lot of Kosovo Serbs are blond Baltids, but there are some dark who can pass as Albanians, but the blond are usually shorter then those darker IMO.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 11:34:53 GMT -5
^^^^ because a great deal of south serbs and the vast majority of bulgarians (thracians) have a clear greek background. Yeah they're mostly of Anatolian descent.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 11:37:05 GMT -5
Look people from Thrace are Greek and Bulgarian mixed.
It doesn't matter anyway since they have slight Eastern European blood by it'sself maybe 30 percent max.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 12:07:23 GMT -5
"I'd say Serbians are 50 50" Serbs are wholly dinarid, racially. However, you have a pontid/dinarid racial region in South East Serbia, an Atlanto med/dinarid racial region in South West Serbia and alpine/baltid/dinarids of northern serbia, central serbia is 'basically' purely dinarid. Aadmin can explain it with a better analysis. Ah, that's ok that's a good racial analysis South West Serbia has the most Alpines.
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Post by odel on Aug 31, 2011 15:05:32 GMT -5
"I'd say Serbians are 50 50" Serbs are wholly dinarid, racially. However, you have a pontid/dinarid racial region in South East Serbia, an Atlanto med/dinarid racial region in South West Serbia and alpine/baltid/dinarids of northern serbia, central serbia is 'basically' purely dinarid. Aadmin can explain it with a better analysis. Serbians aren't wholly Dinarid racially, Meds are more usual due to the stronger tendency to dolichochephalacy and mesochephalacy. Coon also for example said that there was a strong Med component in Serbs, at least those of Serbia proper. Dolichocephalic Mesocephalic Brachyecephalic Greek 33.79% 17.24% 48.97% Serb 39.20% 30.70% 29.80% Albanian 8.90% 11.60% 79.50% The Serbs I've seen in Kosova were almost all uniformly short Alpinid-Baltid types.
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Post by missanthropology58 on Aug 31, 2011 15:11:46 GMT -5
Ha, there's a slight more chance in Bulgaria than there is in Greece.
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Post by ulf on Aug 31, 2011 17:30:41 GMT -5
Ha, there's a slight more chance in Bulgaria than there is in Greece. What chance?
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Post by ulf on Aug 31, 2011 17:31:27 GMT -5
"I'd say Serbians are 50 50" Serbs are wholly dinarid, racially. However, you have a pontid/dinarid racial region in South East Serbia, an Atlanto med/dinarid racial region in South West Serbia and alpine/baltid/dinarids of northern serbia, central serbia is 'basically' purely dinarid. Aadmin can explain it with a better analysis. Serbians aren't wholly Dinarid racially, Meds are more usual due to the stronger tendency to dolichochephalacy and mesochephalacy. Coon also for example said that there was a strong Med component in Serbs, at least those of Serbia proper. Dolichocephalic Mesocephalic Brachyecephalic Greek 33.79% 17.24% 48.97% Serb 39.20% 30.70% 29.80% Albanian 8.90% 11.60% 79.50% The Serbs I've seen in Kosova were almost all uniformly short Alpinid-Baltid types. Yeah, Kosovo Albanians are not tall as well, they're might be just a fraction taller then those Serbs
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 2:41:21 GMT -5
coming from bosna/posavina to serbia is like going from sweden (bosanci) to greece (srbijanci). This statement is not true. Simply, Serbs from Serbia are lighter then Greeks, we're on pair with Bosnians and maybe just a bit more exotic then Croats(generally from north Croatia). you can live with your dreams of blond sumadinci, but the fact is that even "lale" are darker than the bosnians. just curious, how many times did you go to bosnia? did you ever make a comparison of lets say the average face you see in sarajevo and the average face in beograd?
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Post by odel on Sept 1, 2011 2:42:02 GMT -5
Serbians aren't wholly Dinarid racially, Meds are more usual due to the stronger tendency to dolichochephalacy and mesochephalacy. Coon also for example said that there was a strong Med component in Serbs, at least those of Serbia proper. Dolichocephalic Mesocephalic Brachyecephalic Greek 33.79% 17.24% 48.97% Serb 39.20% 30.70% 29.80% Albanian 8.90% 11.60% 79.50% The Serbs I've seen in Kosova were almost all uniformly short Alpinid-Baltid types. Yeah, Kosovo Albanians are not tall as well, they're might be just a fraction taller then those Serbs Nah, we're pretty tall, at least several fractions taller than those Serbs.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 3:29:11 GMT -5
Odel, believe me, then you are not so clean albanians.... i almost "live" among albanians, and never seen anyone even close to 2m. Serbs (even srbijanci, even in Nish or leskovac) have at least one such man every 50 men.
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Post by coke&broke on Sept 1, 2011 4:11:34 GMT -5
Pyrros, it's an established fact that you live amongst Albanians that hail from the Epirus and southern Albania and from the lowest social strata (hence the reason they migrated to Greece for better economic opportunities), and therefore they will not be comparable in height to the majority of Albanians, especially those from Kosova and the highlands of Montenegro/North Albania.
I don't know where the myth that Albanians are short comes from, but I dwell in London and regularly travel to kosova by car, which means usually going through countries considered to have tall people such as Croatia/Montenegro or Serbia into Kosova. I personally am 194cm/6'4 1/2" and maybe only saw 4-5 people taller than myself in Croatia (although we only stopped in Dubrovnik for the night and I am aware that most of the people there may be tourists) and Serbia.
My father himself was 188cm at his peak, not exactly giant status, and he told me that during Yugo military service there was only one person taller in the group, a Montenegrin who according to him was around the 190cm mark.
The majority of my family are of above average height, but we don't have any true giants that are 195cm+ and that's where the difference between North Albanians and South Slavs lie. A substantial number of South Slavs grow to massive proportions whereas Albanians tend to veer on the average to above average height with a miniscule amount that are above 195cm +.
Having said that, Albanians are at least the same size if not taller than the neighbouring people of different ethnicity. For example Kosovar Albanians are a good 2-3cm taller than Kosovar and southern Serbs on average. I personally didn't notice any difference between Albanians from FYROM and FYROM Slavs as they both seemed to be on the lower end of average heightwise. Malesors are huge and no smaller than Montenegrins. I've never been to South Albania or NW Greece, so can't possibly comment, but I doubt there's a marked difference between the two in height as they both have a reputation for being short.
Pyrros you may want to take a trip to Kosova and the Balkans as a whole; especially the Dukagjin and Peje region before commenting on the height of people that only hail from one region of a certain country. It's like me spending time only in the Greek part of Epirus or Southern Serbia and then making a general statement on the height of the two ethnicities.
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Post by odel on Sept 1, 2011 4:15:31 GMT -5
Odel, believe me, then you are not so clean albanians.... i almost "live" among albanians, and never seen anyone even close to 2m. Serbs (even srbijanci, even in Nish or leskovac) have at least one such man every 50 men. Kosovars are some of the more pure Albanians. Pure Albanians or not however, Kosovars are noticeably much taller than the Serbs in Kosova at least. The Serbs I've seen were an ok height, some tall, some short and some average. I don't know any Serb taller than me. However they were definitely not nearly close to being the mythical giants that Serbs like to portray themselves as, and that also Yugoslavs generally like to portray themselves as. As for 2m persons I doubt they're at least 1/50, I think you're bad at judging things like these, you claimed for example that 1/5 people in Trebinje were abou 2.10 at least in another thread. 2m persons are quite rare in Norway, even where I live which is one of the regions with the tallest people in Norway if not the tallest people.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 4:21:05 GMT -5
^^^ point taken. well said. however, you said that the majority of albs in greece are from the lower social layres. but this number is huge, 1,000,000 of albs is about 1/3 of the alb population, no? in addition, i cannot correlate social status and height, in bosna e.g. i doubt any of the 7 feeters there, earns more than 200 euro/month.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 4:24:00 GMT -5
As for 2m persons I doubt they're at least 1/50, I think you're bad at judging things like these, you claimed for example that 1/5 people in Trebinje were abou 2.10 at least in another thread. not me bro, i've only been to visegrad in hercegovina (drina bridge), never been to CG.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 1, 2011 4:25:46 GMT -5
that said.... just try this...
go out in a night club in banja luka or novi sad, or even BG.... you will feel average, and you will see loads of dudes towering you.
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Post by coke&broke on Sept 1, 2011 4:41:04 GMT -5
that said.... just try this... go out in a night club in banja luka or novi sad, or even BG.... you will feel average, and you will see loads of dudes towering you. Pyrros, I accept that South Slavs are taller than Albanians, no one was arguing the opposite. I just don't see why many of the Greeks and Serbs spout the same old "Albanians are short, weak, skinny etc." tripe, when a large number of them are relying on xenophobic anecdotes from their parents or base their judgments on one particular group of Albanians. For example, many of the Greeks in London are also short in stature and swarthy in complexion in comparison to the average caucasian, but I'm not ignorant enough to claim that the majority of Greeks are the same, since I acknowledge the fact that many Greek Londoners have their roots in Cyprus and therefore may be shorter and darker than the average Greek from Greece.
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