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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 12, 2013 19:57:00 GMT -5
to truly investigate their history and roots of heritage, culture and language they must read the original texts in their own monasteries across their lands. You will be shoked to hell when you finally damn right get smacked in the back of the head of the true nature of your peoples' on how you have backstabbed your own to absolute extremities. I haven't yet had the oppertunity to investigate these monasteries but I will after Romania.
You have to accept no matter what religion you are that the Churches were recording first hand what was going on from every level and angle perspective of society. This isn't some bird's eye view, far away foreign perspective writings with hidden motives linked to some yahood money, these are IT. I say this humbly despite my opinions, anyone can only gain from this sort of experience.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 12, 2013 20:34:17 GMT -5
uh ...back stab in what way Albo ??
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 12, 2013 23:25:25 GMT -5
i dont trust it
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 13, 2013 0:24:30 GMT -5
Churches during these times were not only seen as religious and spiritual institutions they were holding and defending the foundations of what we call today cultures and nations. With Christianity in it’s generalized term of usage, you are your nationality first then a Christian, so first comes the homeland and people. The Serbian Church evolved around SERB culture, Christianity in a sense appeased to SERB traditions, this is going back with what I already posted in regards to the embedded of Slavic Pagan traditions in our own religion. Churches all over Balkans were documenting everything else besides anything related to the bible or religion as well. Always know that the Church no matter where you stand, always had first contact with the people and feel of the grounds, meaning the politics not everything was about God is what I’m saying. The most important bullet point you need to understand is that the mindset as it has always been, was that you are who you are firstly in terms of nationality then Christian and this can be according to any sect. Notice how this isn't the same with some other religions which is another issue which we see rubbing tension in Balkan but also everywhere else too.
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 13, 2013 0:24:47 GMT -5
i desperately tried to infer any discernable point or meaning from that incoherent semi literate post, what is your point anyway? the audacity of this dude coming in here guns blazing like he is privy to some unaltered, unexplored truth that only he is enlightened enough to fucking decipher, talk about a conceited twat.
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Post by littleboyfatman on Jan 13, 2013 9:20:18 GMT -5
Churches during these times were not only seen as religious and spiritual institutions they were holding and defending the foundations of what we call today cultures and nations. With Christianity in it’s generalized term of usage, you are your nationality first then a Christian, so first comes the homeland and people. The Serbian Church evolved around SERB culture, Christianity in a sense appeased to SERB traditions, this is going back with what I already posted in regards to the embedded of Slavic Pagan traditions in our own religion. Churches all over Balkans were documenting everything else besides anything related to the bible or religion as well. Always know that the Church no matter where you stand, always had first contact with the people and feel of the grounds, meaning the politics not everything was about God is what I’m saying. The most important bullet point you need to understand is that the mindset as it has always been, was that you are who you are firstly in terms of nationality then Christian and this can be according to any sect. Notice how this isn't the same with some other religions which is another issue which we see rubbing tension in Balkan but also everywhere else too. dont forget it is an alb brought cristianity to you
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Post by rex362 on Jan 13, 2013 11:00:03 GMT -5
Churches during these times were not only seen as religious and spiritual institutions they were holding and defending the foundations of what we call today cultures and nations. With Christianity in it’s generalized term of usage, you are your nationality first then a Christian, so first comes the homeland and people. The Serbian Church evolved around SERB culture, Christianity in a sense appeased to SERB traditions, this is going back with what I already posted in regards to the embedded of Slavic Pagan traditions in our own religion. Churches all over Balkans were documenting everything else besides anything related to the bible or religion as well. Always know that the Church no matter where you stand, always had first contact with the people and feel of the grounds, meaning the politics not everything was about God is what I’m saying. The most important bullet point you need to understand is that the mindset as it has always been, was that you are who you are firstly in terms of nationality then Christian and this can be according to any sect. Notice how this isn't the same with some other religions which is another issue which we see rubbing tension in Balkan but also everywhere else too. dont forget it is an alb brought cristianity to you he will come back and say he was born in Nish ,serbia
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 13, 2013 13:48:57 GMT -5
I am not brining this up to peddle my beliefs and ideologies in your face, I am not a propagandonist. You all are far too fixated on SERB affairs you fail to see areas among your own that are in dire need of progression and cultivation, there are reasons for this and the evidence is in your own lands. Next time you go back home instead of being molded into the need of [having a good time] investigate your own roots. Reading material from the internet is the biggest mistake one can do when wanting to learn history.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 11:32:13 GMT -5
I am not brining this up to peddle my beliefs and ideologies in your face, I am not a propagandonist. You all are far too fixated on SERB affairs you fail to see areas among your own that are in dire need of progression and cultivation, there are reasons for this and the evidence is in your own lands. Next time you go back home instead of being molded into the need of [having a good time] investigate your own roots. Reading material from the internet is the biggest mistake one can do when wanting to learn history. we can do that up to a point but serbia and greece have much of our lands and the history upon it oh and I forgot to mention that they both denounce our Albanian history and for the last 15 centuries trying to assimilate/wipe us out
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Post by qej on Jan 14, 2013 11:40:53 GMT -5
I am not brining this up to peddle my beliefs and ideologies in your face, I am not a propagandonist. You all are far too fixated on SERB affairs you fail to see areas among your own that are in dire need of progression and cultivation, there are reasons for this and the evidence is in your own lands. Next time you go back home instead of being molded into the need of [having a good time] investigate your own roots. Reading material from the internet is the biggest mistake one can do when wanting to learn history. If you can't have a good time when you go back home, you can't have it anywhere. Serbia is a scapegoat everybody needs that one thing to blame for everything
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 14:03:29 GMT -5
tephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer - 2002
"… Greek and Serb nationalists in their nationalist zeal not only denied the existence of an Albanian nation, but went to extremes, such as in the case of a propaganda book published in French and German by a former Prime Minister of Serbia, Vladan Georgevithc, who tried in ernest to convince the world that Albanians were so underdeveloped that they still had tails.
Consequently, the dividing line between myth and history was often blurred and not easily discernible".
Noel Malcolm :
page 80. “… That Albanian writers felt the need to argue in this way was easy understandable at a time when Greek propagandists were claiming that the Albanians were not a proper people at all, that their language was just a mish-mash of other languages and that any Albanian member of the Greek Othodox Church was ‘really’ a Greek. At the same time, Slav publicists were insisting either that the Albanians of Kosova were ‘really’ Slavs, or that they were ‘Turks’ who could be ‘sent back’ to Turkey.…”
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Post by amateurs on Jan 14, 2013 16:32:42 GMT -5
Who is this "professional" person and what is he doing in Romania? Or did he mean that he'll investigate something about Albania after he investigates something about Romania? WTF!
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Post by rex362 on Jan 14, 2013 17:10:47 GMT -5
my best guess is he is a self made internet journalist "look ma I'm a reporter " ;D
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 14, 2013 17:20:53 GMT -5
you'd seldom encounter a more pitiful character than someone who's actually convinced himself, against better judgement, that he is smarter than anyone else and is above evidence and fact, that;s how yu set yourself up for ridicule and pity, boastful arrogance is a mark of a true pedigree cunt and this professional dude is one high calibre conceited cunt.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 17:29:17 GMT -5
I am not brining this up to peddle my beliefs and ideologies in your face, I am not a propagandonist. You all are far too fixated on SERB affairs you fail to see areas among your own that are in dire need of progression and cultivation, there are reasons for this and the evidence is in your own lands. Next time you go back home instead of being molded into the need of [having a good time] investigate your own roots. Reading material from the internet is the biggest mistake one can do when wanting to learn history. we can do that up to a point but serbia and greece have much of our lands and the history upon it oh and I forgot to mention that they both denounce our Albanian history and for the last 15 centuries trying to assimilate/wipe us out 15 centuries? Albanians have barely been around for one plus the Albanians were never a concern to conquer over or to force assimilation, in fact it was never the SERBs who had interest in Albanians it was always the Albanians who had interest in SERBs.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 17:33:46 GMT -5
you'd seldom encounter a more pitiful character than someone who's actually convinced himself, against better judgement, that he is smarter than anyone else and is above evidence and fact, that;s how yu set yourself up for ridicule and pity, boastful arrogance is a mark of a true pedigree c**t and this professional dude is one high calibre conceited c**t. Do you feel I belittled you? I am not sorry for hurting your feelings because my bottom line point is much of your history is documented by the Church, the same Church you desecrate, burn and ransack... to go against everything that's been brainwashed and embedded in your head will be a long hard road journey, but you can always take the easy way out and search forums for answers. Dumbass.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 14, 2013 17:35:28 GMT -5
^^Based on the actions of UDB, I'd say you are wrong. Now go f**k yourself until you are bored of f**king.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 17:44:53 GMT -5
^^Based on the actions of UDB, I'd say you are wrong. Now go f**k yourself until you are bored of f**king. My my... so defensive a shiptar mutt can get. You can't think with your brain... only your asshole...
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 14, 2013 18:04:15 GMT -5
you'd seldom encounter a more pitiful character than someone who's actually convinced himself, against better judgement, that he is smarter than anyone else and is above evidence and fact, that;s how yu set yourself up for ridicule and pity, boastful arrogance is a mark of a true pedigree c**t and this professional dude is one high calibre conceited c**t. Do you feel I belittled you? I am not sorry for hurting your feelings because my bottom line point is much of your history is documented by the Church, the same Church you desecrate, burn and ransack... to go against everything that's been brainwashed and embedded in your head will be a long hard road journey, but you can always take the easy way out and search forums for answers. Dumbass. good god that sounds a eulogy for common sense and the final nail in the coffin for intelligence...that is a cry for help, disturbed unstable minds will pluck the most surreal and outlandish things out of thin air, do you even know the magnitude of the stupidity oozing out of you? the absolute deluge of ignorance pouring out of you? seek help!
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 14, 2013 18:20:52 GMT -5
Do you feel I belittled you? I am not sorry for hurting your feelings because my bottom line point is much of your history is documented by the Church, the same Church you desecrate, burn and ransack... to go against everything that's been brainwashed and embedded in your head will be a long hard road journey, but you can always take the easy way out and search forums for answers. Dumbass. good god that sounds a eulogy for common sense and the final nail in the coffin for intelligence...that is a cry for help, disturbed unstable minds will pluck the most surreal and outlandish things out of thin air, do you even know the magnitude of the stupidity oozing out of you? the absolute deluge of ignorance pouring out of you? seek help! Welcome to the progam siptar you're getting closer yet you're still so far. All your outlandish claims, the ones coming from your herd can be proven all false in an instant while you are the ones plucking shit dusts out of thin air. I am not even arguing for anything here and if you were half as litterate as you try oh so hard to be you'd understand that. This has become another thread that clearly displayes shiptar retardation. This is a plague that has been embellished by your folk because there is nothing else to embrace, so you herd together like a bunch of idiots high-fiving each other for citing clever remarks that have no relation towards anything except towards your defense which translates into attacking the person, not the words or claims being stated. I beleive you are incapable of independant thougth and I think you are even more incapable of comprehending free-will. You are destined to be owned by someone, in your case, you're at the bottom of the ladder and as you always you shall be. I would say I pity you but I really don't, as nature runs it course you are not worth any distruption towards it so behave and perfom your duty as living specimen without question, who has had the privelage to share the same oxygen as ordinary people.
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