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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:06:32 GMT -5
------------> and then to the right ...not left
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:08:16 GMT -5
WHAT ! YOU FOUND THE STRAW ?
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 21:08:41 GMT -5
better unknown than made up fabled epic poemsHeraclius's record of the white Sebs leaders name is obviously lost, we know they did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had a leader, but anyway Viseslav his great grandson ruled from 768 to 814 according to Charlemagne, that alone discredits your previous source. ok ...so couldn't Višeslav remember his great granfathers name or anybody inbetween to leave a record of ....
I have no education but I have a little common sense so does that alone discredits sources.? I really dont know, but what I do know is it wasnt like he was interviewed,the info was written about him and his great grandfather not by him. Common sense would dictate that your previous post that described the Serbs in the 12 th century would have actualy applied to the Serbs arrival led by this leader, a fractured band of wild barbarians, until his great grandson united them.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 15, 2013 21:11:50 GMT -5
WHAT ! YOU FOUND THE STRAW ?quit running away and stand tall for a moment or at least try to I feel sorry for you. --- READ again When the Ottomans entered the Balkans, the Albanians weren`t Muslim, how do you think the Christians felt towards the ones abondoning them ? Hoxhas propaganda does not apply here but you are probably too much of an imbecile to see that. Albanians were eventually split between Christians and Muslims... Muslims getting the benefits of being subjects to the Holy Empire as they saw it, and the Christians seeing this Empire as tyrannical, something that needed to go so Albanians can be free people. You`re a fake, you are only Albanian by name. Your mind is full of s**t and your heart is full of hate... the true Balkan, Albanian soul in most of you have died long ago only to be sold to this new idea of what you call an identity. True Albanian patriots will understand what I am saying, as their ancestors once saw it. You all wave Kastriotis symbol ignoring the fact he would dice you all up first before he got to the Turks. -- You are a disgrace, your sole purpose here to is spread lies to your young ones, let me be the one to tell you Kastrioti knew exactly how to deal with people like you, it wasn`t pretty but necessary.
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Post by Balkaneros on Jan 15, 2013 21:13:29 GMT -5
Just admit you have no idea where to begin to answer with my point. You have no clue, and it terrifies you that I may know more about your history than you do.... ooooffffff Even I felt that shiver up your spine.
I have respect for real Albanians not shiptars like you who only claim them by name.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:15:41 GMT -5
ok ...so couldn't Višeslav remember his great granfathers name or anybody inbetween to leave a record of ....
I have no education but I have a little common sense so does that alone discredits sources.? I really dont know, but what I do know is it wasnt like he was interviewed,the info was written about him and his great grandfather not by him. well I just assumed that the Bulgarian Slavonic teachings were in their grasp by this period or at least he could of told his offspring his past few fathers names for future reference so they can feather pen it in ink somewhere these mighty great Serbians ?
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 21:19:00 GMT -5
Ha we crossed posts just to let you know I added a bit more to my previous post, just a best guess thats all.
or at least he could of told his offspring his past few fathers names for future reference so they can feather pen it in ink somewhere these mighty great Serbians ?
All I know is that the Serbs did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had their leader and were given land then there is a blank (probably fractured barbarians and wild types which is why the emporer was not a big fan) and we have his greatgrandson pulling them all together. So Anywhoo I dont know anymore than what is documented so I will leave it at that.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:20:54 GMT -5
I also re edit much also but I saw.....
thats more than 600 years from "unkown" ?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 15, 2013 21:24:06 GMT -5
this proffesional guy is uz in disguise i just detect a very nausiating quality about him that is very akin to uz
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:25:31 GMT -5
I said it was Uz the first day he arrived as Alvo but again it could be his kid brother or Pyrros's wife
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:31:51 GMT -5
or at least he could of told his offspring his past few fathers names for future reference so they can feather pen it in ink somewhere these mighty great Serbians ? All I know is that the Serbs did arrive to the Balkans and they obviously had their leader and where given land then there is a blank (probably fractured barbarians and wild types which is why the emporerer was not a big fan) and we have his greatgrandson pulling them all together. So Anywhoo I dont know anymore than what is documented so I will leave it at that. ......................................................... fine but lets just use common sense ...I imagine you know your grandfathers name and maybe even beyond that ...correct ? lets say for example you were illiterate wouldn't you at least tell your offspring ....? or your offspring ask you maybe ? and for example if you were a leader you would want them to know so hopefully your offspring now literate could write it in some epic poem see ...this is catching fish with common sense .....and this fish stinks ....like Profesional here
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 21:41:49 GMT -5
when lies are created with epic poems and religion dictates your past histories and puts the ones with the most goats and pigs as a leader and on the same level with the Angels of heaven ....
there is plenty of holes to take notice of
even the Kosova battle is much exaggerated by serbs
they are the only ones that record it as epic as they do ..even for a lost battle ....most would want to lessen or hide completely in some cases .....The turks record very little of it ....and for a large win its ironic not to for turks ....
even the western religions don't record it ......or mere mention at most .....most of it comes from serbs only in epic mode
especially when serbian so called empire was crumbling before the turks came in kosova anyways ....they use this battle to glorify the period ....ask Vuk Breankovic ....my favorite serb
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 15, 2013 21:43:12 GMT -5
I said it was Uz the first day he arrived as Alvo but again it could be his kid brother or Pyrros's wife its uz because he mispells the same words as him and uses words he doesn't know the meaning of out of context...you can put lipstick on a pig but...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 22:02:20 GMT -5
for me it dont matter who it is
I just have one message for this straw picker ....
The Albanians will not be eaten by Serbs Epic heroes
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:02:45 GMT -5
fine but lets just use common sense ...I imagine you know your grandfathers name and maybe even beyond that ...correct ?
Well yea but we are talking a blank of 6 hundred 2 Hundred years or so and a fractured horde of barbarians I would even guess that this Archon was not an actual leader but a representative of sorts chosen by the emporer to do biz with (just a best guess) probably not unlike the Albanian tribes, so traceable written history starts with the appointment of his great grandson ( it was probably a guess that they were related) which could explain not knowing his name...either way the unknown Archont makes no difference to the Serb royal houses at best he was self installed and not recognised,from his "great grandson" on they where appointed and recognized by other emporers kings etc.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 22:05:47 GMT -5
hold it ....not 600
200 years from 'Unkwon whatever " ----->Viseslav and his offspring
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:06:35 GMT -5
Ha my bad, yes 200
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 22:08:37 GMT -5
are you on serb payroll ?
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Unknown Archont (~610–641+), Leader of Serbs and their Byzantine Sclaviniae under Heraclius. Unknown lineage of several generations Višeslav (~780–800) Radoslav (~800–822) Prosigoj (822–836) Vlastimir (836–~850)
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Post by lokii on Jan 15, 2013 22:12:49 GMT -5
are you on serb payroll ?
Nah just find it incredibly interesting. As do I find the Albanian houses interesting, you know that you guys both Albanians and Serbs are very much intertwined. Unlike popular belief you guys where not always enemys and your nobles married and had children with both bloodlines, so since the nobles did, you can safely presume that the people did also.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 15, 2013 22:28:49 GMT -5
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