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Post by ioan on Oct 24, 2007 5:04:48 GMT -5
Hi, I m Bulgarian and I d like to ask our south neighbours couple of questions: Do you want Turkey to join EU? Do you think of yourself as an Europeans? To who do the turkish people feel close: the europeans or the middle eastern people? Who do you think or regard as your ansestors? Which Balkan and Middle East country u feel closest to? Do you accept and approve the foreign policy of the Turlish government as a close ally of USA?
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 24, 2007 9:13:29 GMT -5
Ioan, I think TR is stronger if it stays as a good EU partner - not as any EU member. EU is already colapsing..
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Post by yahadj on Oct 24, 2007 9:19:30 GMT -5
Should Turkey join EU? - No...
Do you think of yourselves as Europeans?: Not necessarily. We are Turks- good enough! Europe is the name of a continent. Since Turks ruled over three continets, we reject that narrow definition.
To who do the turkish people feel close? - Equally to all its neighbors... Nobody should try to drag us in a particular camp. Sorry...
Who do you think or regard as your ansestors? All nations that joined our journey starting from the steps of Asia and ending at the gates of Vienna. Anybody who accepted, felt proud and died to call himself/herself Turk. We don't care about racial genetics. That is why we have people from many races and nations calling thems Turks. The goal, the language and traditions unite us.
Which Balkan and Middle East country u feel closest to? We don't make difference to our neighbors. If they are goood to us we are good to them. No particular national preference. But the deeds matter...
Do you accept and approve the foreign policy of the Turlish government as a close ally of USA? If it is in Turkey's interests yes, if against, no..
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Post by ioan on Oct 24, 2007 12:51:13 GMT -5
tnx, yahac. I love your answers! Very balanced!
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Post by ioan on Oct 24, 2007 12:56:30 GMT -5
Ioan, I think TR is stronger if it stays as a good EU partner - not as any EU member. EU is already colapsing.. I also personally think that the best would be if there is some kind of close relationship between EU and Turkey. In a way they to be in and out if that is posible. Not for anything else, but because they are a big country to swallow. Plus they themselves (the people) I think are unshure wether they wanna be in. As for EU, I disagree, Raezus. I think for Bulgaria, EU till now has shown only positives and it looks stronger. There is an Contract For EU, coming which would lead EU into the future, making it much more political. Its a step into the right direction.
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Post by suart on Oct 24, 2007 14:22:51 GMT -5
. That is wellsaid and explained!
It is true, the only people who do care are those whom feel insecure for what they are.
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Post by gator on Oct 24, 2007 14:54:13 GMT -5
My opinion is no, Turkey should not join the eu. Our long term goal should be merging with Azerbaijan.
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Post by Rhezus on Oct 24, 2007 17:31:22 GMT -5
There is already very good partnership with TR. It's been even called a first class one. Turkey is doing quite well, having right approach and professionaly developed market and products. As for Bulgaria... definately EU is good (money, funds, etc), but what is BG doing which is good for EU?!
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Post by ioan on Oct 24, 2007 23:38:05 GMT -5
As for Bulgaria... definately EU is good (money, funds, etc), but what is BG doing which is good for EU?! making the community market bigger, being a loyal partner and accepting the community rules without hassitation. in a way bulgaria is a good member, because being a poor member yet, we want more close political ties with the others, which is the goal of eu (to become smth like a superstate).
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Post by depletedreasons on Oct 26, 2007 3:55:31 GMT -5
In my opinion, the EU should be disbanded.
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Post by ioan on Oct 26, 2007 6:38:06 GMT -5
In my opinion, the EU should be disbanded. i doubt it will be. all the countries that have entered it have become richer. why would they leave if there is so much positives for them? plus the big firms operate more easily in the bigger market (no taxes, customs etc). I think Turkey should enjoy a very close cooperation with EU, but not be in it (like Switzerland and Norway).
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Post by ahristos on Oct 26, 2007 11:49:14 GMT -5
dear bulgarian friend turks are and gonna stay asians they come from turkmenia they have stay with them great idea... turk goes always where smells money but eu is verry strict with turks in financials ways turks simply needs eus money only and they dont wond to give nothing and that is the problem so they gonna stay outsiders=partners
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Post by radovic on Oct 26, 2007 12:17:06 GMT -5
No. There should be no EU.
If the EU is not dissolved, the best option for Turkey and any other state (the option I support for Serbia) is to take a position like Iceland, Norway or Swtizerland (the latter being the best option -- being part of EFTA but not of the EEA).
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Post by superman on Nov 4, 2007 1:48:22 GMT -5
Turkey should join
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Post by yahadj on Nov 5, 2007 0:52:08 GMT -5
No, should not....
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 5, 2007 3:09:01 GMT -5
i doubt it will be. all the countries that have entered it have become richer. why would they leave if there is so much positives for them? plus the big firms operate more easily in the bigger market (no taxes, customs etc). I think Turkey should enjoy a very close cooperation with EU, but not be in it (like Switzerland and Norway). The EU is the late imperialist attempt of the European capitalism. For that reason, neither does the EU have any cure for the problems of the Europeans nor does it possess any peaceful solutions beneficial to the rest of the world. In my opinion, the fate of the EU is very much related to the fate of the USA. Therefore, I believe that Turkey should keep some distance with both. No membership is needed. No alliance is desirable.
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Post by superman on Nov 5, 2007 9:20:41 GMT -5
should.
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Post by ioan on Nov 5, 2007 12:30:21 GMT -5
The EU is the late imperialist attempt of the European capitalism. That is funny in a bad way. European Union is based on solidarity between its members. It has the economy as an engine for a future closer cooperation in the political field. U should read the basic contracts. Also the eu social fund or all the other funds kind of contradict too obvious with your extreme "idea". Actually it solves alot of problems for the Europeans. Especially the companies. Also the citizens (u can use one money, can work wherever u want to, can vote in another member state etc.) According to recent searches, most people in the world back leader role of the EU in the world. I dont see the realation between USA and EU. Maybe in a way, EU is an answer to today, but not only USA, also Russia, China, India. Not according to your politicians. They are too persistent to join!
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 5, 2007 14:49:57 GMT -5
That is funny in a bad way. European Union is based on solidarity between its members. It has the economy as an engine for a future closer cooperation in the political field. U should read the basic contracts. Also the eu social fund or all the other funds kind of contradict too obvious with your extreme "idea". Actually it solves alot of problems for the Europeans. Especially the companies. Also the citizens (u can use one money, can work wherever u want to, can vote in another member state etc.) According to recent searches, most people in the world back leader role of the EU in the world. I dont see the realation between USA and EU. Maybe in a way, EU is an answer to today, but not only USA, also Russia, China, India. Not according to your politicians. They are too persistent to join! EU is an attempt to strengthen the decaying European position in the global economics and politics. After the WII, the weakened European states realized that they were no longer strong enough to assert their individual policies globally via diplomacy, weapons of mass destructions, social contracts, or trade relations. That is why, they decided to regulate the industrial relations and free trade within the Western European borders. Today, the EU is still a vain attempt of the European bourgeoisie and she will remain that way in the foreseeable future. Moreover, I do not believe that people living in this planet support the global role of the EU or the USA. That is nothing but some Western Legend. In fact, I believe that most people living in the world move in the opposite direction. At present, the EU can not stretch its muscles globally since there is no agreement amongst the member states in relation to the national interests and the future roles of the EU. Most importantly, all of the EU states are aware of the weaknesses of Europe, and therefore, they are obsessed with the ideas of regionalism. Turkey's desire for membership roots back the Cold War. Today, there is no Cold War between the Western and the Soviet blocks anymore. So, Turkey's past desire is rather questionable for even Turkey. Most importantly, there is no economic prosperity existing in Europe. In fact, there is stagnant economy showing signs of weaknesses like the one becoming apparent in the USA. At present, most of the Turks do not support the EU membership anymore, and it is only a matter of time to see Turkey adjusting her policies accordingly.
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Post by superman on Nov 5, 2007 15:09:17 GMT -5
EU is the next superpower. Or we may say the first Hyperpower. It is the new Empire. It is the cultural and economic center of the world. When you say EU you say practically the world, because EU is the world.
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