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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:51:09 GMT -5
Was anyone speaking of Karpathos? Or do you have this compulsory need to leave a useless mark in every Albanian thread?
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:21:57 GMT -5
That wont be necessary. theyre kicking themselves out. That way, they cant even accuse anyone of their own demographic demise.
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:19:37 GMT -5
You greeks need to start making sense...and improve your english x2 Basil in particular. Concerning Arsenije's question,. the question of us coming from Dacia presupposes a Romanian/Vlach continuity north of the Danube. This is also why the Romanians persist and insist on this theory as it would confirm their continuity in their current homeland. Problem is that there isn't much to support this, especially in the onomastic field, not to mention the fact that Dacia was under roman rule for a very brief period of time, less so than Britannia which wasn't linguistically Romanized like Gaul for instance. It isnt so plausible that the ancient Dacians got assimilated so quickly ... their lands were soon overrun by various barbaric tribes during the Volkwanderung, culminated by the Slavs' arrival. The Vlachs were to control these lands only later on. This doesn't mean the Dacians weren't related to us. They might have spoken a language related to ours. It is generally thought that the Carpathians are related to the Albanian word karpë, 'rock'. It is also possible that the Slavs borrowed the word vatra ('fire') from them, not necessarely the Vlachs, ultimately from Albanian votër ('hearth').
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 9:51:50 GMT -5
Donnie I suppose you know the history of the Chams and their relation with the turkish rule... they were occupational power in Thespotia on behalf of Osmanlis... and thats why they've gained such beyliks.... If you are so interested in the less than 20.000 Cham deportation you must be cared about the Serbs who were pushed out Kosovo under Nazi supervision and Albanian acting... Invalid comparison. Cams had been living in Cameria long before their forced deportation, and during the Ottoman period they were ruling a stretch of territory they had controlled before the Turks came. Cameria was the only home they knew. The Serbs who were chased away on the other hand were first generation colonists. Even so, if we go by this premise, I am sure you won't hold it against us getting rid of the likes of Bollano and his Greeks? That's the name of the game, isn't it? Infact, force doesn't even seem necessary, as the Greek minority is dwindling as we speak. An unproportional revenge, but still a little sweet nonetheless. Infact, I am contemplating the buying of property in Bregu, preferably so that I become neighbour with Bollano. That would be cool. And the previous owner must be Greek. That is a condition. Blasting Lab music dedicated to Ali of Tepelene ;D
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 9:42:10 GMT -5
I would say bad face. You look the most masculine in that photo.
Afraid isn't the right term ... more like a zit that has been squeezed ... and now Omonia is sipping for air to survive as a party.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 19:05:46 GMT -5
They were colonists who had usurped land during the interwar period, including my family's land. Come on... if they had came...did the nazis knew who were they...?...kosovars used the nazi, friendly to them, occupation to get rid of the Serbs.... simiraly with what Chams intended to do in Thesprotia...but we knew Chams... ...in the same logic albanians who have moved to Kosovo from other areas could be kicked....ok?...unless you mean that all the non albanians were colonists because kosovo was...dardanian.... ? Everyone used Nazi presence and the chaos which followed to pursue ambitions. Chetniks for instance were aided by Germans againt Albanians on several occasions, like in Sanjak and elsewhere. It wasn't one-sided. Not to mention the heinous crimes and massacres committed on Bosniaks in Bosnia and Montenegro under the command of Pavle Djurisic and others. And no, not all minorities in Kosova were "colonists", nowhere did I say that. But a great deal were; in the inter-war period, 1918-1939, especially after 1924, a great number of Serbian settlers from the rest of Yugoslavia were distributed land in Kosova taken from locals so as to shift the demographic composition into the Slavs' favour in a process of Agrarian reforms. This was also followed by the arming of these settlers who were given lands in strategic places to control and oppose the kacak movement. We're speaking of some 13,000 families, mostly Serbs from Serbia & Montenegro. These were the ones who were kicked out in WWII, because they were settled on confiscated lands of kacaks. To illustrate, in Drenica, my family's land was confiscated and settled with Montenegrins who created a new village that didnt exist previously, called Kraljica. This was in Drenica where there previously had been only one Serb inhabited village, that of Banja. When time came and there were no local gendarmes and military to enforce the continuity of unjust colonization and exploitation, naturally the locals chased away the colonists and took back their lands. Much like earlier, local Serbs or "raya" weren't touched, in agreement with the regulations of the Kosova Committee mentioned by Tosku and followed by the kacaks.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 14:57:21 GMT -5
They were colonists who had usurped land during the interwar period, including my family's land.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 14:46:34 GMT -5
Kosova was the region where the Serbs experienced the least casualties in all of former Yugoslavia, by far. This even going by their own figures, such as those of Bogoljub Kocovic ... whether inflated or not, the figures of Kocovic concerning deaths in former YU amounts to 1,014,000 victims, of which he calculated that some 537,000 were Serbs (& Montenegrins) and 207,000 were Croats. Of all the Serbian victims, again according to Kocovic, some 4,000 were killed in Kosova (compare to 125,000 in Croatia & 209,000 in Bosnia, or 114,000 in Serbia ... ). Going by his figures, Kosova was the safest place to be in if you were Serbian. Kocovic's figure of Albanian victims in Kosova amounted to 6,000 people. books.google.se/books?id=Fz1PW_wnHYMC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=bogoljub+kocovic+victims+kosovo&source=bl&ots=qs42fJA3Cj&sig=KqJUQ5yZZ45OUHcB1RkOIPrWLAo&hl=sv&ei=O831SoX5G5DwmwP-18ygAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=bogoljub%20kocovic%20victims%20kosovo&f=falseI'm sure this collides with your image of us as ruthless Nazis who exterminated the Serbs of Kosova ..
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 13:21:32 GMT -5
I have shown many times sympathy... but it was returned.I was told we don't need your sympathy we want your money....and to shove my sympathy up my ass.... I have never seen you express sympathy for the Chams. But I'll take your word for it. Still, my point stands. Patrinos calling someone else a "subhuman" is a mockery to humanity, since he is setting up a double standard if he mocks dead Chams and yet demands complete veneration for Greece's victims.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 13:12:46 GMT -5
You are mocking dead people and dead people don't hit back.You want to make a comment on this thread concerning this subject ..by all means do...but don't instigate... if you do it's open season on your posts. You too have mocked dead people, i.e. the Chams who were killed by the Greek troops under Zervas, including women and children, generalizing a whole population and justifying the criminal acts of your predecessors. I don't get it, if you don't show an ounce of sympathy, why do you expect precisely that in return? I mean look at what the Nazi bytch Eva wrote in your own thread dedicated to N. Zervas: These "rats" included women and children, a whole population, which couldnt possibly have been in its entirety a population of Nazi collaborators. Claiming otherwise is ridiculous.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 7:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 7:26:09 GMT -5
Keto skena jane te shkeputura nga nje dokumentar qe quhet "Kurre me", dhe dokumenton faljen e gjaqeve neper Kosove 1990, nje levizje historike dhe jo forte e njohur dhe e udhehequr nga i madhi Anton Cetta, ndjese paste. Sikurse Malesine, gjaqet kane lenduar gjithnje Kosoven dhe imazhin e saj, dhe nen prag te shktarrimit nga Serbia, u ndermor kjo nisme per t'i pajtuar gjaqet dhe te eliminohet kjo dukuri. Se paku nentemije gjaqe jane falur, mos me shume ...
Tubim masovik te Verrat e Llukes, ku ishin mbledhur gjysme milion njerez dhe u falen mbi gjashteqind gjaqe.
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Post by donnie on Nov 6, 2009 19:26:25 GMT -5
Are you Lab? Why do you have the reputation of being short, skiny, dirty and hungry and goat-thieves? Do you have any anicent Lab CD? "Epirotes" of both sides of the border and ethnicities are short ... in your case fat and short as opposed to short and skinny. The exception seem to be the Chams who seem rather tall ... and with very light complexion, which is weird for this part of Europe. Still, what Labs lack in centimetres, they make up for in heart. They were always known as fierce and brave warriors. Po t'i jepej kushtrimi Vlores, do t'i qihej nena himarjoteve ... dhe do t'u vije koha ;D Krere deshesh ... never understood this tradition .. in Kosova, if you wish to honour a guest, you offer them a ram's head. In Sweden, when my father and his friends asked a local butcherer if they could buy some sheep heads which they threw away to waste, the butcherer was disgusted ... this was in the early years, lol. The Swede was probably like "wtf, who are these barbarians .."
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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2009 11:53:42 GMT -5
Unesco is always polite with aboriginal people... I thought we came to the Balkans 1428? Or smth like that ...
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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2009 10:48:11 GMT -5
Orthodox Gypsies of Kosova were also recorded to have celebrated slava. I guess they're Serbs too.
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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2009 8:20:45 GMT -5
It was a mistake to let Otsalan captured by Osman budalas... Pagkalos is stil accused for his actions then... Otsalan was a refugee who could get political asylon in Greece... There's a reason Greece didnt give political asylum to Ocalan, and I think you know it.
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Post by donnie on Nov 5, 2009 7:17:11 GMT -5
"I don't see what you have proved with this Novi .. if anything., it suggests the opposite of what you're aiming to prove. Why did the author/s of these documents feel the need to highlight these inhabitants as 'Serbs' (Srbin)? To me it suggests a mean of differentiation, meaning that precisely their Serbian identity set these people apart from the rest, hence the need to adress them as Serbs. If they were all Serbs, there would be no need to call this or that person a Serb, because they would all be Serbs, and calling someone by this name wouldn't be of any descriptive value." & On the other hand, if they're Serbs in a sea of Bulgarians/Macedonians, it is a completely different story. Then the appellative "Serb" has a descriptive value as it differentiates those people somehow from the rest." To me its quite interesting since the Bulgars here will say the serbs are only found in the very north-west corner of vardar, but with the above source, some of the vardarians from veles named their children of their ethnicity. Not everysingle family will name their male child as 'srbin'. Donnie, so some Albanian families who name their child or children 'illyrian' are illyrians, while the ones who don't arn't illyrian? That comparison would be valid if the term "Srbin" in those documents refered to personal names. In that case, it is the first time I hear someone named "Srbin" ... which is it?
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 13:26:28 GMT -5
So his hiding in Greece never happened? He wasn't arrested in Kenya after leaving the Greek embassy? He was never harboured by the Greek consul George Costoulas?
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 13:17:33 GMT -5
True, but it's not necessarely to convince Novi of otherwise that I am responding. I do it for the anonymous readers who might fall for the BS presented here. If unopposed, some of the arguments presented by Novi might seem reasonable, convincing even. When opposed, however, they shatter.
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 13:12:59 GMT -5
Um... no, sorry. If you read Heins Guderian's memoirs from the eastern front you would know that the chief reason for the delay was Hitler's diversion of the eastern army into the Ukraine in order to secure the grain there. The entire operation cost the Germans about a month and by the time it was finished, Barbarossa was very very late. Hitler did not make Moscow a priority and put significant focus on trying to capture the Ukraine. Guderian's memoirs focuses heavily on this mistake. He mentions the operations in Yugoslavia and Greece only as a footnote. How dare you downplay the role of Greece in WWII? Greece is the reason we're not speaking German right now to communicate
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