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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 10:49:04 GMT -5
Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste: „Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...†(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143) village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep: „Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho... (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60) village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo: â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540) village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo: â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541) village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep; â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95) Asen, was there serbian brainwashing also in the 18th century lmao I don't see what you have proved with this Novi .. if anything., it suggests the opposite of what you're aiming to prove. Why did the author/s of these documents feel the need to highlight these inhabitants as 'Serbs' (Srbin)? To me it suggests a mean of differentiation, meaning that precisely their Serbian identity set these people apart from the rest, hence the need to adress them as Serbs. If they were all Serbs, there would be no need to call this or that person a Serb, because they would all be Serbs, and calling someone by this name wouldn't be of any descriptive value. On the other hand, if they're Serbs in a sea of Bulgarians/Macedonians, it is a completely different story. Then the appellative "Serb" has a descriptive value as it differentiates those people somehow from the rest.
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 10:04:30 GMT -5
Were the Serbo-Bulgaro languages identical 1000yrs ago? Did Bulgarians have the case system, and if so when and why was it lost? Probably not identical, but closer than today probably. And yes, Bulgarian did have a case system, and remnants of it are still there, like the vocative case. When was it lost? It was probably a gradual process, and it must've occured after the writing down of Old Church Slavonic which exhibits a very conservative grammar that was heavily inflected. Why? Well, it is generally believed that proto-Indoeuropean was a highly inflected language with some eight or possibly nine cases. All languages descending from this hypothetical language have reduced this number of cases since the split, some more than others. Generally speaking, although there are cases of the opposite occuring, languages seek grammatical simplification. Thus, Latin is grammatically more inflected and complex than any of its daughters. In the case of Latin, sound changes resulted in the loss of the case system. To take as an example the Latin word for 'earth'. which is 'terra' in the nominative, becomes 'terrá' in the fifth case (ablative), pronounced with a long 'a'. With the loss of long vowels in Vulgar Latin's later history, cases like the above ablative in Class I were hard to sustain, and a shift from a synthetic to analytic language emerged ... word order was now crucial, which it never was in Latin. The fact that Bulgarian is a Slavic language tells us that at some point it was gramatically reminiscent to other Slavic languages. Languages change, and changes in Bulgarian have been more dramatic than in other Slavic languages. That doesnt negate the fact that the speakers of the Slavic dialect around Thessaloniki on which Old Church Slavonic is more or less based, were the ancestors of those whose language would later undergo drastic changes which meant shifting from a synthetic to an analytic language.
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 7:49:52 GMT -5
Jealous of what?
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 7:42:36 GMT -5
Shkrim i piste dhe tentative per justifikim nga A. Frangaj. Edhe nese eshte shpifesi me i madh i gazetarise shqiptare i lartpermenduri Baze, nuk e justifikon rrahjen e tij nga ana e Rezart Tacit dhe rojeve te tij. Shpifjet, neqenese jane te tilla publikimet e Bazes ndaj figurave publike, duhet denohen ne nje menyre ligjore. Per kete arsye eshte ligji. Sjellje te ketilla me se paku e demtojne Bazen vet dhe tipa te tille, dhe me shume lirine e shprehjes se medias.
Kjo eshte sjellje tamam mafioze nga ana e Tacit dhe duhet denohet per te treguar se askush, pavaresisht pozites dhe madhesise se kuletes, s'eshte mbi ligjin.
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 7:36:03 GMT -5
They're Greeks .. what else do you expect from them other than greasy behaviour and passionate love-making to adolescent boys? Mos ua ve veshin ...
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Post by donnie on Nov 4, 2009 7:32:21 GMT -5
These Kurds remind me of Albanians.... always looking to stealing someone land... We need another war..but this time I hope Turkey joins in,,not like the last one where it played dumb. Ah, you Greeks are such professional and subtle ass-lickers. A little licking there and behind the Turks' back; www.turkishweekly.net/resim.asp?path=ocalan-39-s-capture-a-timeline-ez6nG.jpg&width=366(he trully looks like a Lazaros; reminds me of my elementary school cleaner, Mr Vassilios) Either way, no worries, Kurds aren't stealing land anywhere. Their best chances are in Iraq, but I don't see that as much of a possibility either. Turkey and Iran wouldnt accept it and the US has a mess going on there as it is -- no need to pour oil on an ongoing fire.
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Post by donnie on Nov 2, 2009 9:23:41 GMT -5
Yet despite this, it's still called "doing it the Greek way" ... lol. PS Greece was part of the Ottoman empire too
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Post by donnie on Nov 2, 2009 7:57:02 GMT -5
Melty, I believe what you wrote earlier could just as well be reversed. You say that concepts like honour and dignity are means of social control. If by being 'western' and 'liberal' in this case is standardized with sleeping around and acting promiscuous, and people who don't conform to this standard are consequently left outside and labeled 'backward', what kind of liberty is that? Isn't that also a form of social control, just in the opposite direction? Is someone who is driven towards such behaviour against her/his inner will trully 'free'?
As I see it. the sexually promiscuous occurence in liberalized western socities is more a byproduct than the essence of a liberal and individualistic society. The essence of it is choice. The right to choose lifestyle, which doesn't have to conform with the promiscuous college lifestyle, but could be more chaste. I think you got caught in her choice of words more than anything, as there are also many typically western girls with no background in the honour-shame culture, who still don't feel happy with being sexually promiscuous but also see it as degrading ... theirs might be a different motivation, but it still comes down to liberty of choice.
You also commented on morals. Sure, morals are a matter of subjectivity, but then again, what isn't in social matters? Objectivity is somethign which can only be assigned to science in nature & biology, while humanistic fields can only be subjective. This includes your interpretation of what's really a liberal individualistic society. I see choice as the essence of it... perhaps terms like honour and dignity are old-fashioned, but the freedom to employ them as long as they don't affect a second part (except in the case of self defense) is real freedom. Just as someone else might choose to ignore them and act out on their lusts or whatever.
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Post by donnie on Nov 2, 2009 7:42:48 GMT -5
Slick Willy... what a waste of intelligence... probably came by to thank all the Kosovars for taking the spotlight off Monica Lewinsky and saving his ass... Same week he was getting grilled by congress about Monica the go ahead was given to bomb Serbia.... you guys need a statue of her...not him. Funny how things turn out sometimes.. Wag the dog The movie was 'real'. Except that the "war" in that movie was a complete fabrication. In Kosova, however, killings and ethnic cleansing was actually occuring. I know these things are only abstract to you and therefore the subject is so light, but to people who experienced the war or who have relatives who did and survived/died, it is different. Whatever the motives of Clinton to intervene, it saved lives and prevented a new Bosnia. Most of us aren't that naive to think Nato's military intervention was altruistically motivated. Even if the Lewinsky affair didn't come to be, we'd still know there were other reasons for an intervention. But that still doesn't change facts, and doesn't mean people shouldn't have the right to feel grateful and honour one of the Western leaders who undid the injustice committed against us earlier when our lands were unfairly ceded to the Serbs as spoil of war.
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Post by donnie on Nov 2, 2009 7:35:11 GMT -5
We might do that.You know some old habits are hard to die,like pederasty for the Greeks. Come on...do you want to post the well known wikipedia article about albanian pederasty...? You mean the biased article written by highduke the Alb-hater with the help of carefully selected misquotations? Don't be so generous as to share, as the name pederasty itself suggests, this is trully a Greek domain. At best as a phenomenon, in our case, it can be seen as conversions to Islam in your case; it did occur but didn't take such proportions as to become a national wide and accepted occurance and tradition. You however made pederasty into an ideal and smth to aspire towards. In our case, the evidence are at best indirect while in your own, little is left to the imagination; www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/greekorgy-1.jpgLet us be the religion swappers and you the boy lovers ...
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Post by donnie on Nov 1, 2009 9:30:20 GMT -5
In Albania this is certainly so, but also Kosova shows examples of the presence of Bulgarian toponymy that were artificially modified to become more Serbian. This is especially evident in the case of toponyms related to the word 'dry', like, Suvareka, Suvogrlo, Suvo dol etc. But the Albanian forms show a different pattern, namely Suharekë. Suhagërllë and Suhodoll, in agreement with the Bulgarian form, 'suho'. There's no reason why we would Bulgarianize Serbian toponyms, if anything we'd Albanianize them. On the contrary, these fossilized remains show that we've preserved an older form of those placenames than the Serbs who have conveniently altered them to fit the Serbian version 'suvo'.
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Post by donnie on Oct 31, 2009 18:20:56 GMT -5
Regarding the Kurds and their situation, I cannot tell in Turkey, but here in Sweden, a great deal of them are assimilated into Turkish culture & identity. Most of the 'Turks' I have seen in Sweden have been, mostly, of Kurdish origin. They acknowledge this but don't feel particularly strong about their Kurdish background, rather they feel happy with Turkey for whom they cheer for instance in football occasions etc. There are many of these borderline examples which almost always seem to result into assimilation into the Turkish identity. I have seen and known Kurds who speak Turkish as their mother tongue, knowing only some phrases in Kurdish (including one of my best friends). The exception seems to be the southeastern corner around Diyarbakir where there is a very conservative gathering of Kurdish patriots/nationalists and traditionalists.
It is quite different with Kurds from Iraq who seem to have preserved their identity quite strongly. But Turkish Kurds ... well, if the situation is comparable to that in Sweden, and guessing from an increased urbanization it seems plausible, the Kurds seem to be assimilating rather fast. I can count the number of 'real' Turks on my hand here in Sweden -- almost all have been 1/2 Kurdish, 1/4 Kurdish, some 100 per cent Kurdish and so on.
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Post by donnie on Oct 30, 2009 9:38:14 GMT -5
They understand fully well Logjik, no need to provide them with more examples. They just act ignorant ... yet none raises a brow when that kid was stabbed to death for celebrating Albania's victory over Greece.
but as I said, going on someone with a hammer was going too far ... a slap to the face or smth similiar would have been sufficient.
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Post by donnie on Oct 30, 2009 8:58:23 GMT -5
LOL, dont act ignorant. Of course the term in itself isn't an insult ... but the way you call someone "Albanian" or "Greek" may or may not make it an insult. Here in Sweden, the term "invandrare" is the official term for immigrants, and surely in itself, the term isn't insulting, because it reflects reality; we are immigrants, not indigenous Swedes. But if some neo-nazi uses it to adress people with a degrading tone, it becomes an insult.
PS I am not justifying this man's action, surely just a slap in the face would've worked better. But this whole thread is inflamatory to begin with ... if the likes of Leandros would rule the world, the exposed would merely be grateful and quiet and accept all kinds of insults with smiles on their face, eternaly in debt.
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Post by donnie on Oct 30, 2009 8:44:07 GMT -5
Of course ... how audacious of that man to not take racial insults with a smile and keep on with his labor.
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Post by donnie on Oct 30, 2009 8:33:27 GMT -5
Read this article; www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.htmlIt is very interesting, concerning the diet of Native Americans before they adopted 'Western' lifestyles and diet. Conditions and diseases considered as normal today were seemingly unknown in their society, such as obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, various cancer forms etc. They were very healthy and strong. Height/stature is often seen as an indicator of well being and health, and 19th century Native Americans were taller than North American Whites, and considerably taller than Europeans. Their immune system was also at top level, with cases where Indians recovered remarkably fast after serious wounds; The early explorers consistently described the native Americans as tall and well formed. Of the Indians of Texas, the explorer Cabeza de Vaca wrote, "The men could run after a deer for an entire day without resting and without apparent fatigue. . . one man near seven feet in stature. . . runs down a buffalo on foot and slays it with his knife or lance, as he runs by its side."7 The Indians were difficult to kill. De Vaca reports on an Indian "traversed by an arrow. . . he does not die but recovers from his wound." Vithkuqi is also such a place. The diet isn't the same as that of Native Americans, but still very traditional in its own sense. With increased economic development and modernization, a change from traditional lifestyles to sedentary lives with little activity and adopting western foods and an increased intake of red meats will probably result in a situation comparable to Greece, where cardiovascular diseases have increased significiantly and obesity has reached alarming proportions. PS One interesting fact about Native American traditional diet is that grease and guts were essential parts of it. Meat was also consumed, but they especially prized animal fat found in big wild animals of the plains, like the Buffalo. Most of these fats were saturated fats, today criticized by dietists as unhealthy ... this article however goes in the opposite direction and says this was the main part of their diet and still the Indians were in excellent shape. I think an intermediary position is best here; consuming animal fats isn't so dangerous when you're physically active, and the Native Americans were as physically active as you could get. They needed all the grease they could come over ... whereas as today, living a sedentary lifestyle with minimal physical activity, surely over-consuming of any type of food will lead to some problem.
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Post by donnie on Oct 29, 2009 15:30:08 GMT -5
That's one voluptuous hotty!
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Post by donnie on Oct 29, 2009 15:10:57 GMT -5
Beautiful songs Rex! One day Kranje will join the Motherland, to the tunes of these songs!
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Post by donnie on Oct 29, 2009 14:44:56 GMT -5
Interesting documentary. I believe their strong health is inherently linked to diet, permendur vetem kalimthi ne dokumentar. Milk, as one of them said, is fundamental in their diet; I can guess they probably ate and eat little red meat, getting their proteins mainly from dairy products & beans, perhaps eggs too to a smaller degree. Vegetables and fruits is probably an essential part of their diet as well .. prodhime mielli were probably rare too, buka e thekres me e zakonshme. Finally they're probably physically active too ... walking from Vithkuq to Konispol isn't a short distance on foot.
PS Look at the elderly Albanians after some fifteen minutes ... got to love them. Ngrohtesia shqiptare e personifikuar do te thoja.
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Post by donnie on Oct 26, 2009 20:58:22 GMT -5
Ngushellime familjeve ....u prefshin ne paqe shpirtrat e tyre... Eshte hapur nje teme e tille ne Subforimin Serb dhe ata po tallen me vdekjen e ketyre fatkeqve....Nuk e di perse une s'mund te postoj ne ate forum ...menyra se si shkruajne ata tregon se ata jane sadiste, nuk ka asgje njerezore tek ta....ti quash kafshe mbase ofendoj kafshet... Nuk ke idene se cfare pike mberrin sadizmi i tyre. Ta tregoj nje shembull. Im at udhetonte ne fillimin e dhjetvjecarit te fundit te shekullit te kaluar me tren prej Sllovenie per ne Kosove. U ul prane nje grupi serbesh, dhe u be sikur ishte serb, meqe fliste dhe flet serbishten tamam si nje vendas, si nje shkja. Me ore te tera, keta serbet e shprehnin urrejtjen e tyre ndaj shqiptareve, dhe im at i shoqeronte ne sharjet, duke i ndezur me tej. Porositnin pije alkoolike, ushqim, etj -- te gjitha i paguanin ata, im at shtirej si nje akademik serb dhe ata e cmonin shoqerine e tij. Ajo qe i la me se shumti pershtypje atit, ishte kur njeri prej me te moshuarve thoshte se shqiptareve u duhej cenuar nderi, t'u cenohen grate dhe vajzat ... "ndonese shqiptaret asnjehere s'na i kane prekur femrat tona, ne pikerisht kete duhet ta bejme kunder femrave te tyre, per nenshtrimin final dhe debimin e tyre nga vendet tona ..." Kjo nuk eshte trillim, por nje histori e vertet qe im at me ka treguar. Ata vazhdonin, dhe talleshin se shqiptaret jane si majmuna per nga pamja fizike etj. Me ne fund, im at e mori ate person qe ishte me se i flakti, e mori prane vetes dhe e udhezoi ta shiqoj veten dhe im at ne refleksionin e dritares. "Me trego, kush duket me shume si majmun, une a ti?" im at e pyeti, dhe serbi u zbeh (dhe me te vertet, serbi dukej me shume si majmun). Grupi i tyre u shtangen, njeri kerkonte falje, dhe meqe im at ishte dhe eshte nje person fizikisht i dallueshem dhe i fuqishem, s'guxonin te benin ze. I mori valixhet dhe doli nga kabina ne nje kabine tjeter, duke i lene te dhier shkijet.
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