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Post by ljubotan on Nov 3, 2009 9:52:01 GMT -5
I'm so embarrassed to be associated with this country! No heroes, no guts, no pride - just bending over for these albanians. I hope its split and i careless who gets it; I just know this name needs to cease!
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Post by ljubotan on Nov 3, 2009 9:47:35 GMT -5
Are there any bulgarians documents pre dating the 13th century, proving they indeed had the case systems?
Also, what folk songs in the 18th cent. from Vardar with 'padezi' are you referring to?
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Post by ljubotan on Nov 2, 2009 13:29:41 GMT -5
its unfortunate they both fought each other in late 19th cent and balkan wars; otherwise, I truly think they could have been a powerhouse together.
i do believe there's a very old serb document that dates well prior to the 12th cent, and it exists somewhere in Bar, Montenegro. i think its called 'miroslavs gospel' or something to the like.
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Post by ljubotan on Nov 2, 2009 10:14:37 GMT -5
Were the Serbo-Bulgaro languages identical 1000yrs ago? Did Bulgarians have the case system, and if so when and why was it lost?
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 28, 2009 13:43:29 GMT -5
My Serb brother in law comes from Orahovac, and I've noticed he speaks very similarily to the NW Vardarian language.
Do any of you have an example of this slavic dialect? How do you think bulgarian/vardarian words came to the that specific city/area?
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 16, 2009 23:39:33 GMT -5
hvala braca!
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 16, 2009 11:46:46 GMT -5
Link below is of our Serbian Orthodox Church that my villagers/diaspora built in the Detroit area in 2005. If it was 1 person from our village saying they're 'Serb' then I'd understand comments like 'wannabe' or 'Srboman', but its not that way. Instead its a diaspora of over 3000 people who speak torlakian/vardarian dialect and respect their roots. Note: I'm not a Serb because I want to be but because that's who those before me were. Bulgarians are good people; I've met many in the Chicago area and they're very hardworking and humble people. www.saintpetka.org/
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 15, 2009 21:45:31 GMT -5
Thanks Arsenije.
Dad's side is from Urosevac area village called Kamenaglava and mothers side is from CG (mid 1800's, from a village called Lajkovci - or something like that, anyhow that's what they refer to them in their Vardar village and they're made fun of because of their above avg height).
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 15, 2009 17:01:39 GMT -5
This forum should be renamed to 'Vardar/ija/ska' or at least have it in parenthesis for starters. I would like members to get us to not calling it 'Makedonija', because it ain't! Slavs from Vardar who think they're 'macedonians' seriously need to get checked in somewhere.
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 15, 2009 13:35:52 GMT -5
What I wanna know is how the heck could a Croat (Tito, or Ukraine spy) rule for that many decades inside of Serbia's capital? He left 1/3 of Serbs outside mother Serbia's borders and not one Serb was that hot blooded to take him out? Serbians allowed him to divide Serbs, to create internal borders, not grant Krajina autonomy etc.
NW Macedonia should have been a joined to Kosovo, hence it would have satisfied MaK Albanians and Mak Serbs, the rest to Bulgaria. I don't know anything about ancient Macedonian history and I don't care to as I am not Greek.
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 14, 2009 14:02:00 GMT -5
What an embarrassment, this country should be called 'Vardarija or Vardarska'.
My parents who were born and raised in Tetovo never even heard of Aleksandar the Great. Unfortunately, Macedonians were an easy target to manipulate since 90% of the population 100yrs ago didn't even attend school.
Its a disgrace to come from a country who steals the identity of another and has no connection to Ancient Macedonia even if it was say not Hellenic.
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Post by ljubotan on Oct 6, 2009 15:36:53 GMT -5
I can only speak for NW Vardar, and that is almost 100% of the Slavs are pro Serbia and more anti Bulgarian. I know this a fact for Tetovo, hence many families migrated to Tetovo/Sar area during the mid 13th centuries under King Milutin, again around 18th and 19th centuries during Kosovo exodus and Austro/Turkish(Montenegro villages) wars and then finally during the Balkan Wars/WW1(Serbian soldiers from Prizren area settled in Tetovo villages).
I'm guessing also some of the Slavs pre Serb element (11th, 12 century) may have come via Bulgarian expansion that encompassed all of Kosovo in 10th century; however, there were already Serb elements in Kosovo as well then. Hard to say since 1000yrs ago the language between Serbs/Bulgarians were much similar and the cases (per people on this forum) were lost in Bulgaria/Vard in the middle centuries (which by the way I still don't understand how?).
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 20, 2009 20:39:02 GMT -5
are there any texts from 7th to 14th centuries so we can see how the language of both Bulgaria, Vardar and Serbia sounded back then?? I'm curious to know if they were much more similar, since southern areas used more 'cases' back then.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 18, 2009 17:54:42 GMT -5
I do think that Southern Serbs (including those in Northwest Macedonia identifying as Serbs) get shafted all the time. I'd like to add that most the the medieval Serb traditions are still existant in us today. Not to mention we don't marry our enemies, while many of our brothers in other former Yug republics do. Trust me, if Croatia was an Orthodox country all the Krajina Serbs that settled there in the 16th century would have identified as Croats today.
If Vuk Karadzic was from Vranje the official Serb language would have sounded like 'Torlak'. How many Serbians and Serbs have even been to Kosovo, Macedonia or even Southern Serbia? Find an old Serb from Prizren who didn't come from Montenegro 100yrs ago, rather was from there prior to the Balkan wars and see how they speak. Surely if you wouldn't like his speech then you could never claim Prizren as Serbian right? Look on a church map of Serbia and see where all the churches/monasteries are located, not Republika Srpska! You are lucky that there are still Serbs in Strpce, Vranje and NW Macedonia; otherwise you'd have no right to the slogan 'Kosovo je Srbija'. These people you guys make fun of the way they speak are the ones that live in agony daily, yet they still manage to stay in Kosovo.
Albanians have 2 major dialects and 3 different religions yet they are very united and do not divide amongest themselves. While we Serbs divide and make fun of one another, trying to show off whose a a 'true and better' Serb.
That's why we shouldn't blame any of our neighbors but rather ourselves first for never be united properly.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 10, 2009 12:24:54 GMT -5
Both sides have a point but what I do know is that the people from Polog have always sided with Serbdom even prior to 1878. There were Serbian schools in some local villages there in 1842, before any so called Serbian or Bulgarian influences.
Many in these areas trace their roots from Kosovo and I believe that is why, but we can't deny the use of some basic everyday like 'sega' and 'razbiram', which are used in Bulgaria. This may be related to the Bulgarian expansion over Kosovo back in the 10th century; I'm not sure but maybe someone else with much more background can comment.
For the vast majority 'Macedonians' do feel closer to Serbs than Bulgarians; even the one's that hate 'Serbs'. While I do not deny the Bulgarian element in Macedonia one cannot deny the fact of Serbdom there today. If we had no albanians and if macedonia was a catholic country for instance majority of those orthodox slavs would openly voice their serbian roots in a census!!
The biggest mistake on Serbia's part was Vuk Karadzic not expanding Serbian literacy/grammer to include the speech from the south. Think, if Vuk was from Vranje the official Serbian language would sound like 'Torlak'.
Its too bad that we call couldn't exist in one state (Serbs, Vardi's and Bugari). I am for FYROM being renamed to 'Vardija'.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 5, 2009 13:41:20 GMT -5
This dialect is 95% identical to the Gorani dialect. My village, or the first 4 villages off the Kosovo border on Sar have Serbian accents. For example, we say 'dan' not 'den' and we don't say 'dojdat' we say 'dojdi'. Also, 'dojdi' is an old word from the Uzicka speech; you can look it up in Wilk. I have heard Montenegrins/Hercegovinians use it. We also use 'kujna' for kitchen, again another old word used in Montenegro and 'pendzer' for window; my girlfriends mother from Dalmatcija used as a child. Many words in Vardar are very old but were used regulary in other ex Yugo states.
The similarities between northwestern Vardar and Serbia/Montenegro are far more closer then one may think. Goes to show where the migrations into Vardar actually came from....north not east.
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Post by ljubotan on Aug 4, 2009 17:11:34 GMT -5
Being from the NW of the country, pro-Serb is very strong. Many there chose 'Macedonian' on the census but in private they speak about their Serb roots. They're not very nationalistic as they're surrounded by 70% Albanians, so its easiest to just be 'Macedonian' and you still get to be Orthodox.
The biggest thing is the 'Slava', but there are similarities with both Serbian and Bulgarian languages. Not to mention there are 'Montenegrin' roots in the NW of the country of Vardar.
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Post by ljubotan on Mar 21, 2009 0:20:07 GMT -5
I just those this but thanks!!
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 20, 2009 10:35:09 GMT -5
Happy belated Birthday!
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 12, 2009 18:06:48 GMT -5
Well whatever her roots she appears very Montenegrin. I know a few people with that last name from Montenegro, and they descend from the Vasojevic clan.
I think she'll at min end up in the final 10.
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