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Post by Patrinos on Oct 31, 2010 17:19:38 GMT -5
Why's it called "arnauta"? because after all these men danced it they had an arnauta to blow them...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 31, 2010 17:11:46 GMT -5
anyhow "arnaouta" i like the one above! the "arnaouta" seems like a combination of pontiaki-thrakiotiki and makedonitiki music/dance.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2010 5:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2010 5:01:10 GMT -5
We are hellenized vlahalbanians, who came along with albanians from their former lands in Asia. There is no other way one could explain how much we lack in civilization behind the balkan slavs (yugoslavs-bulgarians). lol so we are albanians from asia... u thought we were vlachs from Indonesia..
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2010 4:07:05 GMT -5
LMAO!!! contemporary? So what you are merely saying is that a remote german who first used this term in 16th century, knew smth that the eastern romans did not know. ;D You sound once again ridiculous. It was a Roman empire, whose first task was to destroy anything greek. Get over it and go on with your life. PS When was the term "byzantine" mentioned for the very first time? the term "byzantine" is a western creation: Hey professor... since asen can't provide any original source, can you please kyr-malaka quote ONE SOURCE that calls the people exactly " EAST ROMANS"... And about the bad bad empire...look what the Veneziano wrote above, about the Greeks of South Italy , that had already then distanced themselves from the Empire (being it Constantinoupolis, Moreas, Epiros, Nicaea or Trapezous) ...how they dissapeared and now left a douzin of villages and towns to speak grecanica... The areas that were a Greek majority managed to survived all that millenia due to the hellenization of the Empire that along with our language, customs, traditions, orthodoxy became the reason that we remained Greeks till today.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 30, 2010 3:56:43 GMT -5
Especially after he wrote for the magazine 4 wheels he gained much respect to the academic and intellectual circles... btw atdhetari...didn't you read the reply to Nikos Dimou himself to that journalist you changed in the article the words he said in the interview?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 17:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 16:24:12 GMT -5
you don't think he is? do u think u are more qualified than him? there many that seem to agree on greek myth, respected historians and authors, rex do u care to oblige him with sources, underlined of course. do you know what Nikos Dimou job is? surely not professor or ...intellectual...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 15:08:01 GMT -5
We have two cities in Bulgaria called 'Stara Zagora' and 'Nova Zagora', and as far as I know, the region of Bulgaria was referred to as Zagora by the East Romans at one point. Who are "East Romans"? Like we say North Koreans? Give me an original contemporary source that call them this way... In what language did they call Bulgaria Zagora? Its true that Venetians called Bulgaria Zagora. I repost something i've posted some time ago: It's an extract from the text of the "crusade-fun'-antigreek noble Venetian Marino Sanuto or Sanudo the Elder of Torcello (c. 1260 – 1338), one of the most known and influential Venetian, from his "Istoria del regno di Romania sive regno di Morea,". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marino_Sanuto_the_ElderI translated from greek : Istoria tes Romanias, Marino Sanoudo Torsello, eisagogi, ekdosi, metafrasi, sxolia Eutuxia Papadopoulou, 2000, p.164-67. ".... Now we will speak about the oversea kings and what I'm going to say I have collected them from different trustworthy people from different nations. The first is the Emperor of the Greeks (l'imperator de Greci) who holds now lengthy and populous land, as it is known. After him the two kings of the Georgians, by whom the one is subject and faithful to the Tatars of Persia, but not the other who follows the heresy of the Greeks. Georgians are people very grasping, but very skillful warriors, more than any other asian nation- and this doesn't stand only for the men but also for the women. Fourth king is the Komnenos of Trapezous, who comes from the Emperor's family. There are also two kings of dukes in Russia, who follow the greek heresy, and as I’ve informed, are subjects to the Tatars and holds a huge land and in length and in breadth, in this Russia, that one of its part is called Great Russia and the other Small Russia, there the squirrels are born plenteously. Also the emperor of Zagora(he means Bulgaria) who neighbors with the Emperor of Konstantinoupolis and that extends his kingdom until river Dunabe, that have its own sources in Souebia, cross Bavaria and the Austria of Alamania and Hungary going down to Euxeine Sea, which the Franks call Mar Magiore, and he is the seventh big king who follows the ritual of the Greeks. Eighth is the king of Serbia, that holds lands in the coast of Adriatic, which extend about two hundred miles length and belongs to the Church of Rome, but all the people of the inland, that in majority are with the side of this king, follow the heresy and the ritual of the Greeks. Ninenth is the Despote of Arta. It is true that there are many people dispread here and there, that are subjects to other rulers, and follow the Greek rite, like the nation of the Chazars, which is subject to the Tatars, and to other rulers established in the north of Mar Magiore. And in Hungary, they say that there are more than sixty thousands people who follow the greek rite. In Minor Asia, which is a land larger than Spain, where as we said are four kingdoms, and where the biggest part is subject to the Turks, the most of them follow the greek rite and the most of them are Greeks. Even (Small) Armenia, which in old times was called Kilikia, is inhabited by Greeks. In Mesopotamia there is a not small number of Greeks, and there were much more in the period of the Crusade of Peter the Hermit and Godfrey of Bouillon, whose brother Baldwin, was comte of Mesopotamia and was called comte of Roa. In the Sultanate of Kairo, where now Tatars of Persia dominate, and Greeks and Turks, and the Greeks follow the greek rite, and in the sultanate once there were forty cities fortified with castles. In the islands Cyprus, Crete, Euboia, Rhodes and in other islands, and in the Despotate of Moreas, even though these areas are subject to the Franks and are now under the Church of Rome, almost all the inhabitants are Greeks and follow the same rite(greek) and their heart is devoted to the greek habits and when they will be able to arise freely they wil do it. So it is obvious that Greeks and their coreligionists hold more lands than the Catholic kings do. It is sure, that catholics are much better warriors and abler and more numerous than Greeks. There are also many Greeks in Calabria and in the area of Otranto, who are under the Holy Church of Rome, but are not so devoted as they would be if the Emperor and Patriarch of Konstantinoupolis and the son of this emperor, kyr Andronikos, were also devoted and faithful to the Church of Rome, and not insubordinate, fact with serious consequences...."
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 14:59:21 GMT -5
a-m-a-z-i-n-g!!!!
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 14:42:49 GMT -5
this thread is about greek intellectuals and academics saying that the foundations of the greek state are lies, a myth perpetuated to forge a fake identity, pls stick to the topic patrinos, you alwas have this urge to go off track and divert from the issue in question. who is the intellectual and academician? Nikos Dimou? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 11:15:40 GMT -5
Hellboy I don't understand why you hate Turkey and Turks ... whats your angle here? I hate Turks because they are stupid.Not just stupid,but aggressively and stubbornly stupid.That applies to the majority of Turks. Among them,you have the Kemalists,who I hate the most.They are the snobs of Turkey.They are ones who were responsible for coups in Turkey.They are the ones responsible for keeping Turkey in the dark for so long.And they are the ones who are considered the 'Westernized ones'. Just look at a post of DY in this thread.She going on about Erdogan and the headscarf.I mean,what the f*** is her problem about Turks being able to practise their religion freely? Erdogan just wants women to be able to wear their headscarves in university because they cant currently which is bulls**t. The Kemalists want Islam to be hidden in Turkey.Any manifestation(like wearing a headscarf) is seen as a provocative and a political act. I absolutely loathe this snobbery and stupidity by the Kemalists Turks. And I'm not even a Muslim let alone a follower of faith! It's also bulls**t because Islam was partly responsible for the existence of Turkey and it's also how they could steal indigenous European Muslims for pleasure and to increase their population.Hell! It's the country's heritage! Funny,that it's the religious Turks who are the ones who have opened up the country and brought it to new heights unlike those assh*le tyrannical Kemalists. It's a pity that people like Elif Safak and Dogu Ergil are a minority in that country. it seems that a guy from Malaysia understand things much better than some balkanoid asss lickers...that hang around in these boards...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 11:11:09 GMT -5
talk some illyrian to us.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 10:59:14 GMT -5
why...a great skiptar emperor and didn't give orders to write in albanian? wtf!?! tradhtar...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 10:37:33 GMT -5
^ is that albanian written on that wall? i think its gegnisht...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 10:02:50 GMT -5
we would send some Alvanous workers from Greece...give them 50 € per day and they will fight their islam brothers...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 9:55:00 GMT -5
I dont really see in any time Bulgaria or Macedonia invading Greece. There is not a single reason at present for Bulgaria and Macedonia wouldnt dare because its too small and the Greeks have big army. The only possible scenario for a Albo-Greek war is only the Epirus dusputes. The Turk-Greek relations are improoving so I dont really see it happening. However, the most possible conflict between Greek and its neighbour is Turkey, the least possible - with Bulgaria. Greco-albanian war can't be called "war" just a procedure...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 9:17:20 GMT -5
yea but the kids gave Socrates farmaki lol...farmaki... they said to him that its a new label from Scotia, a new drink, ouiskion...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 9:10:34 GMT -5
watch out...we come up with smart ideas ever since... ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 9:05:19 GMT -5
it seems logical sons and grandchildren to speak the same language with their parents and grandparents and live in the same home... ;D
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