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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 9:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 29, 2010 8:14:35 GMT -5
comes from Merhaba please say that you're joking...seriously....
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 18:19:50 GMT -5
come on winter time. during summer we want to relax and have vacations with our frappes, tavli and komboloi... no time for that kind of games...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 18:11:01 GMT -5
what about Lokumi, Karamanlis, Kalimera, oglu ending in Greek last names from Greece - not Greeks from Turkey, sarma, dolma, and a lot of curse words ! They are so many Turkish words in Greek also all corrupted in present day Greek sounds called language. I read there are about 10,000 words in Greek that is Turkish and vice versa. I am proud of my Central Asian heritage, Thanks i won't comment the 10,000 bs... you gave us the word loukoumi we gave you the name for Smyrni and Trapezounta... but what about "kalimera" is it turkish? ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 18:02:22 GMT -5
Explain 'dark past' comment.... i think greek world war role history has been grossly overestimated, by greeks that is. they certainly did not engage in the epic level of combat that they claim to have done, their intentions of expansion and to occupy territory were their primary drive for war and also to cleanse enthic pockets and rid themselves of minority, the italian war has been grossly and deliberately juiced up, italians were retreating then u chased their shadows into albanian territory and used that as an excuse to claim south albania only you met with a hostile local population, then when u weren't unable to sutain it u labelled albanians as collaborators which there is no evidence of, war was just an excuse to set up ur misguided orthodox country like in the fables u had always learnt. ;D nice story... did you made it up today?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 18:00:19 GMT -5
yok lol What should we do now ..? laugh isn't enough for these things written above...seriously are you a comedian? You translated what? Arab texts translations of Greek texts? Indirectly you gave a push to the Renaissance... after the moving of all the Greek scholars in the West.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 17:56:00 GMT -5
dunno...but i know a lawyer that has a MBA at " Nazi's collaborators and their open arsses". MBA as in a Masters in Business Adminstration? I guess that's another one liner of yours that failed. ... yes...and the rest of the sentence i wrote seems very logical.. no wonder why you there isn't any original albanian word for irony
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 17:50:15 GMT -5
i enjoy seeing you two agree with each other...how nice...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 17:26:43 GMT -5
Patrino you don't speak objectively. At the time of the Ottomans height, they were the most advanced Empire, whereas Europe was wearing perfume, didn't shower, ppl were ill, and very very backwards in science and arts, etc. The Ottomans had the best universities - like the Harvard of those times. And the Ottomans were the most tolerant Empire of their times. You have to look at history during the norm at the time where Europeans were burning pppll b/c they thought they were witches, ppl were born into royal families and no one could move up the social ladder. The Ottomans gave ppl the chance to move up based on their abilities & skills, not what they were born into. And the Turks in Germany came from villages in Turkey - mostly eastern, most are uneducated when they first came; however, the 3rd generation are all going to universities, and are also moving up. OMG!!! This is maybe the best quote on these boards ever!! nice one ...thanks. ;D you have dangerous ways of entertainment desire...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 13:48:10 GMT -5
A number of Turkish naval warships will be open to the public in Trabzon, Samsun, Kastamonu, Ýnebolu, Istanbul (at Dolmabahçe Palace), Ýzmit, Erdek, Ýzmir, Marmaris and Mersin. Trapezounta, Samsunta, Kastamoni, Ionopolis, Polis, Nikomidia, Artaki, Marmaras, Mersini... nice names...corrupted in nomads' sounds(called language)...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 11:43:44 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 11:42:10 GMT -5
at last... dogs in Patra will survive... because those Somalis since they aren't in mood to work...eat them... really.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 10:33:38 GMT -5
LOL. Of course a language evolves. and since the Greek language is documented since 1500 Bc it is sure evolving since then, since it is all these centuries a living language spoken by a people. Greatly infuenced by the Persians? They were not my progenitors. My progenitors are all in Greece. Those who you are talking about have descedants in modern Turkey called Mehmet and Osman... I don't like Germans, i don't talk to them. Why don't you ask them since you are Turk and Germans also realized with the millions of Turks in their country, how much Turks are a factor of developing, culture, humanism and civilization...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 10:15:56 GMT -5
-Malamatenia logia-
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 10:04:20 GMT -5
The interesting part is, the majority of the people assimilated were Greek speakers You are not speaking ancient Greek are you? If you are speaking ancient Greek, please applaud yourself. When was Hellenism continuous is the question really? I mean there were so many tribes with different cultures, the languages differed also. The shi.thole of Europe? hang on... Which EU country is the shi.thole of the EU at the moment? Turkey is also not in Europe, we are asiatic nomads lmao neither ancient Greeks spoke ...more ancient Greek... the point is that we speak Greek which is the natural evolution of the language spoken in the same area at least 3500 years now... documented. ...now will you teach us what language do we speak? Of course the turkomongol nomads were the major factor of destroying any sense of development in the Balkan peninsula and in the whole area. Denying this is delusional. translation please. do you have something in mind?
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 9:55:04 GMT -5
"Nineteen Greek-Cypriot plaintiffs were awarded some 15 million euros in total by the European Court of Human Rights yesterday, in a ruling that calls on Turkey to pay compensation for property that was seized during the 1974 invasion and occupation of northern Cyprus." Nice going Greek Cypriots ...bravo ....
btw who was your lawyer bcs the Chams could use them dunno...but i know a lawyer that has a MBA at " Nazi's collaborators and their open arsses".
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 9:19:46 GMT -5
Ancient Greeks were not speaking the Greek that is spoken in Greece today. Ancient did not have uninterrupted presence either, please use the truth when posting ur answers. Since you try to compare yourself with the Turks then... Turks were a major warrior group, that not only did they take on and beat the ancient greats, but they also enforced a huge cultural and language change upon much older and settled cultures. Especially if the Turks were the minority as you say, then wow they must be truly awesome You use the word Turkified, where as I would say unified, a great feat and then continued for 500 years, making sure that everybody mixed well throughout. Greeks were a majority perhaps, in fact, I assume they were the majority in smaller scale areas, whereas on the wider scale, the Turks and all those that chose to say they are Turks were and still at the moment are the majority in that area. As for your questions,, I didn't define all muslims as Turks I didn't disagree about anything yet, The vanish of the strong Greek minority? I know quite a few of them!! But sadly, they don't class themselves as Greeks anymore So now professor you decided that we're not speaking Greek in Greece today... ok... and please dr. Oz when exactly Hellenism got interrupted...? Of course the Turk nomads that established in Minor Asia were a minority, and became very successful in assimilating into their sultanate and beyliks the local population(constituted by tens of different ethnicities). Unfortunately these nomads become the reason to make Balkans the shiithol of Europe and the most undeveloped part of it. Of course there are 2500 Greeks in Turkey...from the >130-140000 arranged to stay there along with the 60-70000 muslims in Thrace... come on...
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 8:38:10 GMT -5
There is no need? And you are who to decide this?.... You cannot judge, decide, nor comment upon whether a human being should be able to call him/herself Turk BY LAW, rather than, be classified as an OTHER. By the way a Greek is a Greek? The ancient Greeks were not orthodox Greeks, you are different from the ancient Greeks, you try only to hold onto the greatness that they had. Greekness is similar to Turkishness a combination of different ethnicities that entwined, and believe they are ONE nation. Nothing more nor less. nothing to compare. ancient Greeks weren't orthodox but were speaking greek, living in the same areas, and having a continuous uninterrupted presence. Every nation, assimilated other people, in balkanks especially. But Turks wasn't made up by a Turkic majority that assimilated small groups around them. Just a small Turkonomad group that through its authority and islam turkified hundreds of other races. Greeks on the other hand were always a majority in our areas that of course assimilated other smaller groups. And who are you to define all the Muslims of Greece as Turks? Who are you to disagree on what your baba Kemal has signed? ANd who are you to just pretend that you didn't read about the vanish of the strong Greek minority of Turkey after the exchanges? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 6:51:43 GMT -5
its funny how just a handfull of youtube vids glorify a dark past stfu.
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Post by Patrinos on Oct 28, 2010 6:50:29 GMT -5
Does the Greek Constitution recognise Turks as an ethnic group in Greece? Does Greece recognise ANY other ETHNIC group ? As far as I know: NO, Greece only recognises religions, which isn't actually a surprise, since being Greek, actually means being Greek Orthodox. Anybody else is usually classified as an OTHER. In regards to allowing the OTHERS to speak their language and practice their religion, woah, well done Greece, but isn't this a standard right for people everywhere in the world? It should be, in my opinion anyway. There is no need Turks to be recognised as a distinct ethnic group since all they enjoy all the rights they should have according to the treaty/convention that your baba Kemal has signed. Of course there are recognised ethnic groups in Greece, Jews and Armenians. How the fock can you talk about this stuff...? You cleansed the Contstantinopolites, the Imvriotes and the Tenedious with unbelievable measures and ways. A Greek is a Greek. And its a continuous history from over 2500 years gives no right to any turkomongol to judge its criteria... wash your mouth... so much licking to Osman baba's balls may cause health problems...
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