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Post by Patrinos on Feb 26, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
nice page. send them emails with your bs. actually most southern Greeks and many other Greeks are descedants of the 1821 fighters. Especially more Peloponnese.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 26, 2011 8:35:36 GMT -5
Its true that Greeks from all over the empire were put in seats in all over the Empire, since we find seals of officials in all over Balkans , south Italy and even in Ukraine. In political and ecclesiastical seats. They were what the locals called "Magnates Graecorum". Surnames like Arianitis(that specific Greek surname was mentioned before the Albos even mentioned in texts...), Spanos, Kastriotis, Kabasilas, Progonos, Sgouros, or Uranos(cont Urani). Just like Nikiforos Vasilakis ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikephoros_Basilakes) , and Ioannis Doukas en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Doukas_(megas_doux) who where governors of Dyrrachion(in a time when the city had no or few albanians in it), many other magnates probably stayed there and mixed with the local population. illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hellasgreece&action=display&thread=29360
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 26, 2011 5:44:05 GMT -5
That flag is the the war flag of the Palaiologoi, does it remind you anything?
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 25, 2011 10:23:00 GMT -5
The -tzis has two possible derivations. If it is like Skylitzis, Nikiforitzis, Yiannitzis, etc is from the medieval demunitive suffix and surname suffix -itzis. If its like Fanartzis, Bojatzis, Kalantzis, Kaiktzis, Samartzis etc it comes from turkish loanwords or Greek nouns plus the loaned suffix -tzis(-tsis) that denotes an occupation, like Samartzis the constructor of samari, Fanartzis the constructor of fanari etc
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 25, 2011 6:07:24 GMT -5
Aesopi was a Geg from Samos. and he wasn't from Thrace...
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2011 15:09:19 GMT -5
Where does his bloodline reach today? His children are half Serbs, and moved to Serbia from what I understand. Is there a monument in the Jorgakis name? As i read on some sights there aren't found any living descedants of Jorgakis. I read that his sons became officials in the Greek army in 1845, and that his family became very very poor. His descedands today must bear the name "Lazos" or "Lazopoulos" because that was his surname, "Olympios" was his official nickname, because he was klephtis in Olympos. This is Jorgakis' hatzari:
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2011 10:12:42 GMT -5
Where is the name Guzeloglu from is it Greek... ? Exiled and escaped from the turko-mongol hordes in 1955 Polis' pogrom...
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2011 6:18:55 GMT -5
well, very roughly we can say that those who have surnames ending in -akis are from Crete, -akos from eastern Mani, -eas from western Mani, -opoulos from Peloponnese, -ousis from Tsakonia and Chios, -oulias from south Achaia, -oudis from Macedonia/Thrace, -idis from Pontos and Minor Asia, -oglou from Konstantinoupolis, -atos Kephalonia, -elis from Lemnos and Smyrna, -ou(like Georgiou) from Cyprus, -iotis/-itis/-atis from where the prefix shows(e.g. Veriotis from Veria, Smyrniotis from Smyrna etc), -antis from Pontos(Ypsilantis comes from the village Ypsila(high place) etc etc
Do you have any surname in mind, that you want to know where it comes from?
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 23, 2011 20:32:10 GMT -5
oh I forgot all heroes are greek well... we can say that Greek heroes are Greeks... and pathetic human beings are pathetic human albos...ehhmm.. beings...
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 23, 2011 20:20:22 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the response. I would like to know, who are the characters in the photo you displayed? I would like to know more about his legacy, and his relationship with Stana (if information is available). He appears to be some sort of revolutionary-freedom fighter, like a back in the day Che Guevera, is this accurate? What happend with Stana at the end? And what is said about his children? is there any information on that? Thank you all for the quick response. Jorgakis was one of the leaders in the first stage of the Greek revolution that broke up with the lead of Ypsilantis in Moldovlachia. Thousands of Greek students(forming the Ieros Lochos) and many Greek volunteers (and some balkan mercenaries) started the Revolution up there and as it was logical they were crashed by the Ottoman heavy forces. But the struggle there was a key factor for the success of the Revolution because many ottoman troops from central and northern Greece headed towards north expecting a Russian attack(Ypsilantis was a general in the Russian army and the head of the Philike Etairia Ioannis Kapodistrias was the foreign affairs ministers of Russia) that never came. That rumour was one of the key achievements of the Filiki Etairia. After the Greek rebels were crushed in January of 1821, Jorgakis and his guys fled to the mountains of Moldavia doing what was his family hobby for generations, guerilla fighting or as it was called -klephtopolemos-(thieves' war). In the August of the same month he decided to come souther to Bessarabia, but as it seems he was disappointed by the will of the local christians to rebel against the Osmanlis. His declaration that days is revealing: "Greek men! All of us, noble brothers, suffered this horrible destiny. Our same religion neighbours, those who promised us help abandonded us, others characterised our bloody struggles for our religion and existence as crime! Keep your heads high brothers! Show that you are worthy of your ancestors. At least we saved our honour. Europe met the sons of Hellas! The help that Russia promised us will come late for us, come brothers! Let us die looking the Death into his eyes. Hail our religion and the freedom of Greece! Death to the barbarians! Jorgakis Olympios"I shall continue tomorrow with his story till his epic death. PS. Jorgakis Olympios was not a Vlach. Not that it would different if he was one, but he simply wasn't. He was from Ellasona and happened to born in a vlach village, Livadi. mods erase that malakas' posts...
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 23, 2011 17:15:47 GMT -5
What do you want to learn about Jorgakis? I've written some few in the other thread: " a Greek general/fighter of the Greek war of independence that also participated in the serb revolts in the beginning of the 19th century. He married the widow of his spiritual brother(the aderphopoitos/ bratimos) Velko Petrovic, Stana, and had three children with her Alexandros, Milan and Efrosini."He died here, in Sekou monastery in Moldovlachia, where the Greeks started our Revolution while the nearby Romanians were milking their goats... He comes from a well known Greek family from Ellasona, the Lazos, who were klephtes and armatoloi for generations. His mother was from a important family of Livadia town, but he lived his first years in Livadi village. He fought along with Karadjordjevic in Serbia and became very loved in the Serbs who struggled against the mongols. Of course he was one of the members of the Philike Etaireia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filiki_Eteria and he is a symbol for Thessaly.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 23, 2011 17:08:33 GMT -5
"Non-barbaric Balkanians"
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 22, 2011 7:45:11 GMT -5
btw, Hram Svetog Save is still unfinished, it interior part is still undone, there is just 1 or 2 frescoes images, paintings etc... are nice, etc... but what the visitor sees is the SIZE. lol...malaka... if we want to speak about their beauty the Serb one is the ugliest. Agios Andreas in Patra is better. And of course the 6-7th century Agios Dimitrios in Thessaloniki is fat better than any other in Balkans.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 18, 2011 13:26:18 GMT -5
i find that kind of videos stupid... birds singing in a beautiful balkan city that all are perfect etc etc and other bs... ps. what the flag of the EU and USA do in a future public building? ;D ;D lol
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 16, 2011 7:21:51 GMT -5
[quote author=terroreign board=hellasgreece thread=32760 post=285263 time=12978320 It clearly says: Branilo, John Kastriotis' grandfather, was a Serb. And John Kastriotis' wife, Vojislava, was a Serb. These are Djordje's parents, he's at least 3/4 ethnically Serb, the rest Greek. Repos (a pagan slavic name) became a monk in the Serb Monastery Hilandar (Founded by Saint Sava), and he along with Skanderbeg's father John were buried there. Go to Mount Athos and see for yourself. Their Tomb Engravings are written in Serbian and Greek, no Albanian. Skanderbeg was the ruler of the Shqiptars, he was born in Albania, so he's Albanian sure. But he wasn't a Shqiptar like you are. For a parallel example so your simple mind can grasp, England's royal Windsor House is of ethnic German descent. Hahahaha are you kidding me? are you really trying to convince me with a SERB source? how did you think? it is well documented that Skenderbeg was Albanian, why would he get the title "Arnavutlu İskender, skenderbeg the albanian" when he General in the ottoman empire? Why does my source about the Kastriota family nowhere mention the word "serb"? There is no proof about his mother being Serb since judging by that logic, she may very well be of Thracian origin considering she comes from the "tripalda" family wich was a Thracian family. And again, you dont seem to realize that having loannames from neighbors was very common. Also, are you retarded or just playing stupid by saying shqiptar is not equal to Albanian? [/quote] Thracian? I've heard that he was Mesopotamian or Sumerian...
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 15, 2011 15:25:07 GMT -5
He probably means Jorgakis Olympios a Greek general/fighter of the Greek war of independence that also participated in the serb revolts in the beginning of the 19th century. He married the widow of his spiritual brother(the aderphopoitos/ bratimos) Velko Petrovic, Stana, and had three children with her Alexandros, Milan and Efrosini. He died during the first stage of the Greek Revolution in Moldovlachia, in Sekou monastery:
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 15, 2011 7:04:24 GMT -5
kalos ton Chalkedon. pws ki ap'ta meri edo? Sou eleipse i morfosi pou mas dinei to forum?
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 13, 2011 15:41:29 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 13, 2011 15:37:09 GMT -5
am...den s'arese i Elladara, na pigaineis kai sto kafeneio sou, kai na paizeis thanasi me ta gerontia otan mazeves tis elies....
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 12, 2011 8:41:53 GMT -5
Why did we call the muslims Turko-Alvanous? We knew what you called yourselves, we knew you existed and called yourselves Albanian. Why didn't we call the Arvanites, Alvanoi? Arvanites means Medievel Albanian? So are you telling me in your histroy books when it comes to explaining that period of time all of Albania called themselves Arvanite? Was Kastriotis an Arvanite? Is that what he called himself? I do not think that all Vlahs are Ellines, but the ones in Ellas are. They are the first to claim it and thats all that matters. When Albos can pick up some Illyrian writing and be able to read it and explain it then you will be on par with us . Our language, culture and identity has survived for years. To say we are pure, is a Nazi dream. Do you think I actually beleive that not one Ellina man or woman didn't cross with another race. Thats ridiculous. The fact the we have survived is proof enough that we were tha majority. The point is we are still here, our beliefs carried on, thats what is is to be an Ellina. Nobody is saying that you're not Hellenes. The point was Arvanite~Albanian issue. To say things like Arvanites are Doric and Albanians are Turks or Mongols is like claiming the Germans to be Nordic and the Austrians to be Kenyans. Some of you are pathetic... especially the moronslashidiot that has the gall to say the Greek language was used only the last 10 years of the Empire... I wasted 2 seconds of my life reading this chit from utter morons. Cretin and blind! I said the NAME Byzantine Empire was used in the only 10 years of the existence of the Empire. The name Byzantine was used in the western historiography after Hieronym Wulf, in the 16th century...till then the Imperium Graecorum or Graecia was used. I medieval Greek texts the term "Byzantios or byzantiakos" meant the one or the thing from Polis.
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