Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 8:00:49 GMT -5
I would guess very few, most Ustase are long gone, dead.
Yes you are making excuses bez veze for something that happened in Europe in the late 80's and early 90's on the disaspora and the small Australian goverment. In any case there is nothing to answer for, we have had peace for 14 years.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 7:28:50 GMT -5
Oh your claiming that they worked together to destabalise Yugo. I just fell of the chair in laughter rofl!!! Well as I said 10 times earlier, there is no real proof of that. In any case it wouldn't have taken them 40 years to do it. The Aussie govt has no power to destabalise anything in Europe. Yuga fell, there is no conspiracy theory to that. It's their own fault, no one elses so stop blaming Croats and far off lands like Aus.
Australia went to Korea to support the Americans in a wrong cause, you can't compare apples and oranges. You have a warped sense as I said before, of conspiracies.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 10, 2009 7:04:55 GMT -5
You are an idiot, ASIO and the AFD are different entities. Get your facts right before posting bulls**t. I was talking about raids in the 60's and 70's not the 80's. Still there is no proof, what this article is basically insinuating is that the AFD and ASIO were in on some greater plan, that I don't know of. This article is incorrect and not really a good source. The Croatian Liberation Movement did exist, in many forms both here and abroad however whoever is in charge of these so called events and allegations we don't know :-)
Skoric stop calling certain people nazi's otherwise you will be edited and deleted.
If Serbia wasn't busy invading countries and killing innocent people bez veze then you wouldn't need people to stand up for themselves such as the ones you guys are questioning.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 23:47:19 GMT -5
lol ASIO funded it, that's why they used to raid our houses...hahahaha rofl majorly...anyway there's no proof and people responsible have not been found. Case closed :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 22:45:04 GMT -5
And your point is? Who did it, it's like finding Where's Wally......:-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 22:08:21 GMT -5
And how are these attampts linked to the Ustase or of any Croatian organisation? hahahah ASIO did their job back then and found nothing, sweet f all :-) You can't catch something that's not there :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 9:35:03 GMT -5
My quote above does not mention Ustase and what your answer to it was about vandalism they apparatnly cause etc..., I was reffering to Croats and Croatia in general.
Boo hooo he was assulted by Ustase, my great grandfather was killed by them, am I crying. Get over it.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 9:26:28 GMT -5
That's right I answered your q, most arn't and enough said. Oh I have no dreams, I am realistic about that....and I don't mish mash stories upon stories as you do ... from this thread into tennis then into your baba...talk about one thing at a time ! :-)
I havn't read MK yet only short extracts....I prefer Eva Peron's La Razón de Mi Vida...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 9:09:36 GMT -5
I'll be the prosecutor, I have no closed jurisdiction; it's all mine :-)
How are you fend's? ??:-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 9:07:04 GMT -5
I always had a passion for European history, all of it...blame the books laying round at home and my further curiosity. Nothing to do with any boyfriend etc...I don't have one! Disco's, you kidding right? Where I can't hear people talk, not for me :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 8:46:42 GMT -5
Yes the Germans eventually became the bad guys; however our constitution had nothing to do with the German's and the Ustasa history, establishment and theory had nothing to do with that German Nazi era. It was established long before Hitler could even walk :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 8:34:54 GMT -5
I was correcting you. It also seem very idiotic to brainwash a nation and cleanse them of their history. Let people embrace and celebrate that; instead of dissing them and putting them into categories that they do not belong too.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 8:22:25 GMT -5
^Before you make incorrect statements:
His songs are of two categories: patriotism for his country and about love. He does not talk about killing anyone deliberately and does not celebrate it. He sings about being proud of defending his country, please don't compare him to the imperialistic Brits.
Also, the ustasa symbol is not a facist one. It was created long before NDH was connected in any way with the German allies. No 2, MPT is not and never was a Nazi or a member of any Nazi affiliated party.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 7:59:49 GMT -5
That's nice mmm love watermelon and rockmelon...have to show this pic to my ex Makedonac, he'd lol about it hahahaha...
And the car, oh no hope it's not yours. What a muzza :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 7:40:52 GMT -5
You clearly know nothing about the silencing of many Croatian truths back in Croatia. I have personal emails/message that I could provide with that mentality personally trying to silence and intimidate such individuals and group. So please don't talk govno that "moderate" Croats are not hard and trying to curb our freedom and history. In any case "this type of behaviour" you mention is freedom of speech.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 6:53:57 GMT -5
Wrong word, you picking out everything against all things Croatian better?
The quote above was saying "if" we were what you think we are i.e Ustase, yes we would have created what I had said instead of leaving. You clearly can't read proper English in that case. I don't need your nice to know stories of your baba...because I'm sure you don't want to hear that my grandfathers father was killed by Ustase in front of him for helping his secular/in no man's land brother in 1944. How does that make me an Ustasa, grow up.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 9, 2009 6:17:25 GMT -5
^ Look even if we played in red , white, blue or the standard grb you would still make outlandish comments. However if there was the opposite to this or a communist outfit, I wouldn't raise a brow. But you have to make an issue out of everything. Get a life; but please just try and still make me laugh :-)
Could be, or he's just trying to be nice and not cause issues bez veze. Just like the Serbs who pretend to be Cro or Bos or moderate Serbs around me just to get me to like them. 2 faced also :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 8, 2009 21:55:57 GMT -5
Each to their own Skoric, doesn't mean these "ustase" don't have Serb friends. To the person who made a comment about the "groups" rather than individuals, you are right in some cases. But it was also people who went against other people for their own safety in the smaller scales. You would have to be an idiot not to see that. People are generally forgiving in nature, but not forgetting.
Zadnji, yes this poor man lost so much in the war and you know what he goes and does now? He enlist in the Australian army and get sent to Iraq recently. I said why do this after everything you went through over there and he's like "Well I don't have anything left so why not". I was about to cry, it's too sad.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 8, 2009 11:29:40 GMT -5
It's because Tudjman's men were not, he killed these people in order for his own political progress. Why can't you guys get that already???
Some of these kids are not like me, many were born over there; you can't judge a whole group. I know one man in particular who faught in Vukovar and lost 1 child and his wife. The other is here with him. So can't blame them for being a little less forgiving.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 8, 2009 11:26:35 GMT -5
I just got home, and was getting pekish again. Nothing beats svinjetinu i kupus with some chilli, a marriage made in heaven!
In closes doors some Bosnians behave differently, around my circle anyway; some are just not open about it with other "muslims". Each to their own. I won't dob them in :-)
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