Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 11:05:10 GMT -5
Yes it was the dirtiest of them all! Didn't like Rome , not just because of that...it was like a love/hate relationship there...I felt much better in Florence.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 11:03:24 GMT -5
I believe that all crimes commited in Croatia should be tried there. But under certain rules of war and outside powers require them outside. It doesn't bother me where they do it.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 10:40:42 GMT -5
That's not up to me to decide. You must think he has a better chance of getting off if he is tried in the hague as opposed to Croatia?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 10:39:14 GMT -5
I'm not talking about random people, I'm talking about key figures in our lives. Those people that share stories that we will also continue on sharing for eternity...
lol, many boslims have said that to me also. I just say to them. It ok you are NOT Croatian, but YOU are a Croat :-) If the boslims want to believe their propaganda than they can believe mine :-)
Funny on your last comment also. I actually do know more about history and politics than many people living there and abroad. Some people just don't care...which is fair enough.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 10:27:30 GMT -5
Yes just like a soldier who once told me "who knows which gunfire ended that persons like, could have been mine or could have been the other soldiers". It's pretty obvious...
In all seriousness I do think he is guilty and this as I said will be proven.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 10:24:30 GMT -5
Well this posses and interesting philosophical discussion. Because stories can sometimes make us who we are. Are we then meant to disregard or disbelieve what people tell us because that is what the lived through, that is what they experienced and that's how they saw it at the time? Are you meant to disbelieve what I say and believe it as untrue?
Would you rather an average lawyer to defend you because he experienced what you had or an exceptional lawyer who didn't go through what you did but understands and can make a better outcome?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 10:02:24 GMT -5
Of course everyones story is different and that's the way I like it. It's like if you asked a few people here how it is you will get different responses depending on their experiences and life status. That's what makes the world wonderful no two people are the same.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 9:08:25 GMT -5
Please stop talking about me and my experiences or lack there of, I am talking about in general. Some people can just understand things, and do not need to experience it themselves to understand it. Which is why I loved talking to all kinds of people. In that I do understand how it was, how it is, and how it eventually will be.
C'mon patriotic for country OR religion is excluding others and in turn excluding yourself from the world. That's not in just keeping "traditions". That's being patriotic in it's excesses where you think you are better than any other race, and do not mix with any other race.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 9:02:51 GMT -5
No he is guilty (you will eventually see that) just like the others that are walking out there so innocently.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:41:58 GMT -5
I'll photoshop my Croatian i.d card and post it here...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:38:19 GMT -5
lol we just get pannonia...Savezna bih hahahaha...i hum...ah joj glupi...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:34:04 GMT -5
Nice tablica...joj koliko volim pjesmu...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:30:49 GMT -5
Who said they never experienced it? Many were there before/during and after the war. Just because are not there now doesn't mean they havn't lived the balkan ghost.
How can the jews and muslims feel so patriotic for their history in Israel.... that they lay claim to be the truest and most holy of places generations after? Why do they still need to teach their children the religion and Hebrew and Arabic languages? Because they can!
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:27:30 GMT -5
Even worse was Italy...going to Cro after that was a breath of fresh air and clenliness! Paris isn't clean but oh it's a great city!
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 8:26:27 GMT -5
^Yep sure there are many innocent people on all sides walking free as we speak.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 7:11:31 GMT -5
Read that yesterday. Clearly something is wrong here, clearly he's not innocent. I mean why would he change his name? Though having said that so many people did horrible things and they will never be accountable for. And they said "they would never hurt a fly".
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 7:08:45 GMT -5
Failure what failure? People were successful back home and even more so in their new countries. The extreme patriotism comes from wanting freedom, it comes from having to go through so much pain and heartache to get that freedom.
There are 2 different types of patriotism. That of one who feels better than other races no matter what feeling like the "chosen ones" (i.e Jews) and that of the Balkan nature. I don;t need to explain the Balkan one :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 5:54:17 GMT -5
True zgembo we would end up being third of fourth if 3 people above us were born O/S.....too many meanings. About your comment on people being hateful, usually (but not always) they have a reason for it. Though hate is a big word. You will also find Italians and Greeks in the dijaspora and the rest of them being negative towards others. Also Anglo Australians being negative towards us immigrants, even us who were born here copped alot of crap in school for no reason whatsoever. So the hate and ignorance is all around us. Racism exists everywhere. I just get accused of that because as I think it was Skoric who said, I am a Serbist lol :-)
I come across many people everyday and the ones that show the most pride and nationalism and religionism (if that word exists) are the Greeks and the Jews. But I can't blame them for that, they are still good people to have a chat too. But would they really accept me? No they wouldn't...
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 5:42:38 GMT -5
ce but wrong colours lol :-)
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Post by Trazi Vise on Apr 21, 2009 5:42:07 GMT -5
I have been to 10 or so countries in Europe (most in central and west but also Croatia and Bosna). Croatia is far cleaner than any I have been to and that includes France and Germany...
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