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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jan 2, 2009 6:28:00 GMT -5
f**k any more "melding and mashing" of cultures and languages and whatever else Then u agree that RS should seperate from BiH because we dont have the same culture? Same with treca entiteta ? aah? |
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 2, 2009 8:13:52 GMT -5
hahaha why was my map deleted?Greeks are unreliable and slavs are too complicated so no union with any of them. If your gonna make a map atleast make it readable lol it looks like a bunch of scribble. |
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 2, 2009 8:18:08 GMT -5
Im not sure about it but if it happened it will probably work better with just the first wave.
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Post by kasso on Jan 2, 2009 10:25:56 GMT -5
Without Kosova, no union! And what are you talking about Admin that Western world tries to weaken the Balkans? They were simply stopping ethnic cleansing, committed by Serbs against non-Serbian civlians.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 2, 2009 13:10:51 GMT -5
On the other hand, the Balkans don't have to live with this kind of image, forever. When it comes to the bone, it's all about economy. Perhaps things will not change dramatically in the near future, but if America can vote for a black president, then Western Europe might one day see us as their equals. I don't know, but what I do know is that we can't allow our complexes get the better of us. The tribe culture needs to go.Black, white, green president makes no difference. President is just a figure head that serves interests of few wealthiest people who pull the strings from the shadows. Once they are discarded they are practically never heard of again (explains why US can elect an unsuccessful actor called Ronald Regan over two decades ago). West see us as equals. Equality is never given but taken and if given then perhaps there is most likely an agenda (example Zimbabwe left to its own devices after Mugabe took over to literally starve as I see west doing nothing there). This is not about tribe culture or complexes. Fact is that Balkans saw some of the worst devastation in the 1990s that was caused by the western meddling which is exactly why BU has to be formed. Therefore there is no reasoning behind BU that is modeled by 'regional pride' but by sheer survival. ps: language is not a problem!! Here in Belgium, we have thrre official languages even if the country is very small (30 000km²): Dutch (6,5 millions speakers), French ( 3,5 millions speakers) and German (70 000 Speakers). So For BU, we could have seeral official languages: Albanian, Serbo-Croatian, Macedonian, Greek, Bulgarian, Turkish, Romanian, Hungarian. Official languages can be eastern dialect of Serbian (that enables one to understand Croatians, Bosnians, Montenegrins, Serbians, Fyromians and Bulgarians for most part), Tirane Albanian, Romanian and Athenian Greek for at least initial two waves with English as global official language. Without Kosova, no union! And what are you talking about Admin that Western world tries to weaken the Balkans? They were simply stopping ethnic cleansing, committed by Serbs against non-Serbian civlians.They were and with what were they stopping it with? Let me tell you, they were stoping it with experimental new weapons like brutal cluster bombs and even worst with depleted uranium ammunition ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium_ammunition ) that is now called something called 'Balkan syndrom' . "In Italy, controversy over the health risks associated with the use of DU continues, with a Senate investigation committee due to release its report into 'Balkan Syndrome' by the end of 2007.[60] Since then, there has been a resurgence of interest in the health effects of depleted uranium, especially since it has recently been linked with neurotoxicity.[50]"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome#Depleted_uraniumHow is not breaking up Yugoslavia not weakening Balkans (even the rest of it was weakened at least economically) especially if one is to consider that back then Yugoslavia was a good candidate for joining EU (which would automatically make border issues obsolete). Who is behind all this, I don't know - let me think, maybe some kind of kind of groups who benefited from wars (such as banking centers as huge amounts of money had to be borrowed to wage them and they used scumbag politicians to usurp naive populace). All that was also pretense to enter Balkans and colonize it (as Bosnia and Kosovo have clearly become UN colonies, congrats).
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Post by adolfkarderi on Jan 2, 2009 13:31:25 GMT -5
^^What the f**k??? Tirane Albanian?? do u have any idea how Tirona Albos speak..ca bohet kshu mer jahu! hahaha..ugliest dialect i've ever heard...Albania doesn't want any part of this union thanks again Emperor!!!
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Post by kasso on Jan 2, 2009 13:39:42 GMT -5
Emperor AAdmin,
Aggressive Serbian nationalism is the fault of Yugoslavia's downfall, they were eager to control every department, this naturally lead to discomfort among constitutional ethnic groups, which eventually culminated into war, and because of media pressure the Great Powers were forced to intervene to stop ethnic cleansing
If Serbia acted differently, i.e. by dividing the power among constitutional ethnic groups, and by abolishing the institutionalized oppression against Albanian citizens, Yugoslavia would have been one of the most successful states in Europe.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jan 2, 2009 13:48:11 GMT -5
So the war between Croats and Muslims or between Shqiptars and Macedonians was because of "aggressive Serbian nationalism"?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 2, 2009 13:51:29 GMT -5
What the f**k??? Tirane Albanian?? do u have any idea how Tirona Albos speak..ca bohet kshu mer jahu! hahaha..ugliest dialect i've ever heard...Albania doesn't want any part of this union thanks again Emperor!!!
I took Tirane Albanian as I assumed it is understood by all other Albanians and not because how it might sound which itself is a silly condition to ponder upon in terms of whether 'Albania' will accept BU (which surely it will in due time). Balkanoid triviality.
Aggressive Serbian nationalism is the fault of Yugoslavia's downfall, they were eager to control every department, this naturally lead to discomfort among constitutional ethnic groups, which eventually culminated into war, and because of media pressure the Great Powers were forced to intervene to stop ethnic cleansing
Was it now yet Serbia was run longest by leftists who called the state Yugoslavia until few years ago which negates what you just said. These leftists might have usurped and used Serb rightists in places like Krajina and RS which is a different topic. Milosevic and his clique was anything but Serb nationalist, more like opportunists serving the interests of the west as were other wartime leaders then.
If Serbia acted differently, i.e. by dividing the power among constitutional ethnic groups, and by abolishing the institutionalized oppression against Albanian citizens, Yugoslavia would have been one of the most successful states in Europe.
One more time Kasso it is easy to understand.
How is not breaking up Yugoslavia not weakening Balkans (even the rest of it was weakened at least economically) especially if one is to consider that back then Yugoslavia was a good candidate for joining EU (which would automatically make border issues obsolete).
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Post by srbobran on Jan 2, 2009 13:55:49 GMT -5
Gimme a break, I honestly hope you're joking.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Jan 2, 2009 13:57:27 GMT -5
^^You meant STANDARD Albanian not "TIRANE" THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!! ALBANIA WILL NEVER ACCEPT SUCH A UNION DON'T INCLUDE ALBANIA OR ALBANIAN INHBITED LANDS IN THIS DISCUSSION ANYMORE!!!
ALL YOU WANT TO CREATE BY A BALKAN "UNION" IS A GREATER HELLENIC EMPIRE LIKE THE ALBANIAN PROVERB SAYS THE SNAKE SLIDES THROUGH THE FIELDS BUT DOESN'T LEAVE ANY TRACES BEHIND!!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 2, 2009 14:39:46 GMT -5
Balkanoid paranoia at its best lol . One, I mean exactly what I said before. Two, you do not represent Albania. Three, BU can be patient and wait until a more BU friendly government is in place to have Albania join it. Four, certainly Albania will rather be part of BU versus bordering a massive neighbor that it mistrusts (as you would have it) .  |
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Post by Kastorianos on Jan 2, 2009 15:08:54 GMT -5
Im against it because I do not feel familiar with the other Balkan-peoples although they are our neighbours. My first thought regarding our (Greece's) neighbours is mistrust and antipathy.
I feel much closer to Germans, French and Spaniards instead of Bulgarians, Bosnians or Kossovars. The only country of the Balkans that I really like is Serbia.
Besides...why should a Balkanunion work if a similar but much smaller project failed less than 20 years ago...Yugoslavia.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 2, 2009 15:28:19 GMT -5
I feel much closer to Germans, French and Spaniards instead of Bulgarians, Bosnians or Kossovars. The only country of the Balkans that I really like is Serbia.
Yes but all these countries Greece is just a distant land and lets say if attacked it would spark little genuine interests because of the fact that there is no threat to them do to that fact that you are nowhere in their near proximity.
Besides...why should a Balkanunion work if a similar but much smaller project failed less than 20 years ago...Yugoslavia.
It failed primarily do to outside influences and that it was work in progress. The fact that there was now extensive experience in such project would make this one that much more likelier to succeed as there would be serious scrutiny in an attempt to avoid past mistakes and learn and grow from them.
In addition to that fact argument can easily be made that our very future existence could be predicated on having BU to survive in a rapidly changing world where realities change almost 'over night' (see rise of Hitlers Germany, demise of USSR etc). Having a group of countries with many common interests (including common threats) would have made BU a less likelier target for an aggressor and not to mention that BU would be mutually beneficial economically speaking for all.
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Post by tito on Jan 2, 2009 15:32:33 GMT -5
Besides...why should a Balkanunion work if a similar but much smaller project failed less than 20 years ago...Yugoslavia. Because expansionist Serbs realize that it’s their only chance of somehow uniting Kosovo with Serbia again. Without this BU dream they would be forced to accept Kosovo as independent and that would mean the end to their expansionist ideology. |
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Post by rusebg on Jan 2, 2009 16:03:09 GMT -5
I say a big NO to this idea. For the simple reason it will never work.
On the other hand, I don't understand Admin obssessity with such an union, considering the fact that he uses this term Balkanoid in a sense we are like some sort of low lives compared to the other parts of the world. Why should such primitives unite, Admin? What is the point?
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Post by srbobran on Jan 2, 2009 16:12:03 GMT -5
Yeah. Screw BU, Serbia and Hellas should just unite and create a neo-byzantine empire!  ;D |
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Post by rex362 on Jan 2, 2009 16:19:08 GMT -5
I say a big NO to this idea. For the simple reason it will never work. On the other hand, I don't understand Admin obssessity with such an union, considering the fact that he uses this term Balkanoid in a sense we are like some sort of low lives compared to the other parts of the world. Why should such primitives unite, Admin? What is the point? he has always had this "little house on the prairie" syndrome or better yet..... Bonanza |
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Post by Kefalus on Jan 2, 2009 16:22:48 GMT -5
Why we need a BU?
I dont want that, we have EU!
Bulgaria, Romania and Greece ar in the EU, if the other countrys want a union join EU.
Croatia will be next in the EU.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Jan 2, 2009 16:35:47 GMT -5
Balkanoid paranoia at its best lol . One, I mean exactly what I said before. Two, you do not represent Albania. Three, BU can be patient and wait until a more BU friendly government is in place to have Albania join it. Four, certainly Albania will rather be part of BU versus bordering a massive neighbor that it mistrusts (as you would have it) . I'm not paranoid i know taht Greeces dream is to create a Hellenic Empire not just in Europe but in the world lol ive heard Greeks actually say this... waht other Albanians do u want to speak for Albania? i'm the ultimate Albanian, i'm from Korca, im from the city, educated, with both Orthodox and Cham roots and i gave u my opinion. I represent the best of Albanians. "Tirane" Albanian is not standard Albanian standard Albanian is closer to the dialect I speak which is Korcar. When Enver Hoxha changed the official Albanian dialect he based a large part of it from Korca region. you can believe waht you want its a free country but dont tell me bout my own language if Albania joins any union they'll speak standard Albanian and "Tirane" is not standard Albanian. why should Albania join any union with a country who thinks were the lowest in the wrold? you can have your Balkan Union but just leave Albanians out of it. And I dont think Romanians want any part of it either. The true balkanians have spoken. |
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