Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 15, 2008 2:10:04 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Sept 15, 2008 2:42:58 GMT -5
Likewise bosnain muslims did not give a f**k about the Arabs, Sandzak muslims, Turks..etc yet the war came and lookie here brotherhood call outs from the bosnian muslims. Likewise it has never entered my mind to think like that about the Muslim nations. Your're right, I don't. I don't give a s**t about them.Does your serbian "friend" know how you really think about us serbs? Does he know the hatred and s**t you demonstrate towards Serbs on these forums. Is that how you talk to him too? I don't have hatred, I only return what's given.I bet you, you are one of those p**ies who has no balls to express himself openly but chooses to use the internet and wage hatred. You are a keyboard soldier my friend. Sure, if that's what you want to think. Couldn't care less. I don't even see where that came from lolzJust like you called your muslim allies. Fact is you are a SLAV yourself. You cannot be any different (unless your daddy is a real Turk). We all including bosnian muslims descend from the Slavs. Genetically you are a slav and the only thing that relates you to arabs is the religion. I didn't call anyone, they offered out of their wacky Jihad idea, and some people accepted any help they could get. Wasn't me. Again I didn't say it's wrong firh you to feel other Orthodox people are closer to you, I just said we personaly never even thought of "Slavs" and some sort of unity with them. It's mostly a Serb thing I guess.What the f**k is wrong your head mate? Do you realize how much you are embarrassing yourself by saying s**t like this. Serbs from Serbia are genetically close to all the Slavs in the balkans. They are in no way different from serbs in Bosnia or Croatia. Even culture is almost identical. Where you rip your info out from is beyond me but one thing's for sure, it has messed your head quite significantly. Plz don't call me mate, it sounds very homoerotic. And wrong. In fact what I said has been said by Serbs in this very thread. Read some books.The s**t you spread is anything but a fact. Let me tell you a few facts: - You are a slav. - You are not related to turks or arabs other than via your religion - Bosnian muslims descend from serbs therefore you are a serb - some of your culture is from the turks but the majority is serb - no matter how hard you try, your father is a serb. Err, don't recall ever saying I'm an Arab or a Turk, nor do I want to be. God no. Don't know where you got that from. My father is a Serb? Damn I better go run tell him the news! Btw, its stupid to assume someones PERSONAL, INDIVIDUAL background. But propaganda is all your weak nation has left I guess. Go learn a little about Bosnia and Herzegovina, there's some good books out there I agree. Well ain't that dandy.That is correct. There is no such thing as a slav unity. Russia and greece are our "brothers" due to same believes, religion, support..etc Pretty much like bosnain muslims and Saudis. Only unity is out of interest. I and the majority of "Bosnian Muslims" I know, don't give a crap about Saudis, in fact it's the opposite. They are annoying wahabis trying to infultrate :\ People think we do cuz they saw mujehedin in the war and cuz some people wave a black flag with arabic on it lolzYou keep on throwing BiH around. Mate BiH only exists on paper. The "BiH" you care for consists of the Federation only. Reading through most of your posts and the hatred towards Serbs it is extremely unlikely that when you refer to BiH people you are including the Serbs hence you are contradicting yourself in your statements. Actualy my hometown belongs to what is now RS teritory. Obviosly when I was born RS didn't exist. And no, I love every foot of the land (you know, physical land, dirt, mountains, rivers) I was born in and grew up in and countless members of my family fought and died for. It's just some of the current inhabitants that aren't as likeable.
Again I have no real "hate" for Serbs, it's just different goals and views. I am not contradicting myself in the least, I am cool with any Bosnian be they Serb, Croat, Gypsy, Jew, Albanian, Turk, Chinese or whatever, as long as they support Bosnia like many did. The particular Serbs you are speaking of don't suport Bosnia, they support the idea of an independant country called Republika Srpska. Those I dislike, sure. They go against my interests.You should let go of your dream about some BiH because soon it will not exist. We tried to live peacefully together and look how it all turned out. As long as there is Serbs, Cros, and muslims living under one roof there won't be any peace so if you wish all the people in bosnia any good it is time for you to realize that the BiH idea is simply fiction. Seems to me you are the ones wih a dream, the dream of independant RS and taking 49% of a country. Most likely not going to happen but hey we'll see.
Ah and good logic, we will all get along by realizin BiH doesn't exist and the land Bosnians live on is imaginary, while in reality we are all in Matrix like tubes dreaming, providing energy and sustenance for a higher form of life. I'm guessing Serbians.
Holla back
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 15, 2008 2:59:51 GMT -5
Kapetan, nobody asked for your CV or your personal biography. You tired the shit out of us man. I guess anti-serb one-liners serve your purposes better, save ink and preserve natural resources as well
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Post by karabin on Sept 15, 2008 3:11:22 GMT -5
Whats the matter with you Kapetan? You seem to change your opinion(s) on a daily basis. From all your posts in recent past one could not miss your hatred towards serbs. The fact that you cheer any negativity towards Serbs does not exactly contribute towards your argument about liking all inhabitants of BiH.
I have many bosnian muslim friends and I do not talk to them the way I talk to you because they do not throw around so much anti serb s**t like you do. My family and I did not ask for a war in Bosnia either. Nor did we ask for all the s**t we had to go through. Bosnian muslims are not the only victims in this war. Hey guess what, serbs are humans too, not some machines you like to portray us as.
Here is a another hint for you. Not all serbs are Arkanovci. Just like your family members fought and defended what they believed in so did mine and believe me you are not the only one who lost family members in this dirty war.
The only reason why I would want to see RS separate from BiH is due to the now proven fact that as long as we all stay under one roof war is inevitable. I care for my people and their well being therefore I want to see them isolated from the dangers lurking.
p.s. How come you manage to hang around these forums posting 24/7? Since you are in your mid twenties as you claim and manage to post non stop I would assume you are a dole bludger as in collecting a wellfare check.
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Post by kapetan on Sept 15, 2008 3:22:30 GMT -5
This is the internet, quit catchin' feelings and man up. Hatred is a strong word, you are simply in my way, that's all there is to it. I don't know why you're talking about family and all that, I was talking about slavic bulls**t, then you came with that and I had to answer you, now you turn it into something about yours. I'm familar with all that, I get it. As for the last part...eh, I killed and robbed some rich Serbs a while back, now I'm sittin' pretty, caked out *waits for you to take that supr serious and be like SEE SEE HATE!!*
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 15, 2008 3:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by kapetan on Sept 15, 2008 3:36:52 GMT -5
Not like I need to explain myself to you on a forum cuz you noticed that for about 3 days i been online alot. QUICK!!! JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!!!!!
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Post by karabin on Sept 15, 2008 3:44:00 GMT -5
LOL this Kapetan kid has some psychotic issues. Since it is hard to separate these psychotic cases from normal bosnian muslims, well just put em all in the same bag.
Hey only 2 more weeks until your next wellfare check. Enjoying your cousy room in Canada while cheering about a country that is thousands of kilometers away. Some fan you are.
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Post by fazlinho on Sept 15, 2008 4:35:19 GMT -5
I think you karabin overreacted, intentionally or not. He simply posted his views about the slav unity thing, never did he mention the war, the abolishing of RS, or any s**t like that and you immediately started to preach about the war, and stuff... you can't change the fact that Bosniaks don't feel this bond with other Slavs like Vlachs do, simple as that. You can wish we did, but we don't, nore did we feel it in the past, nore do we feel it now. Some individuals can feel it, and I say good for them. As for Turks, Arabs and stuff, to the muslims they obviously are brothers in faith because they can't be anything else. If you ask your pop, he'll tell you that Russians and Greeks are your orthodox brothers in faith. So the comparison between pan-slavism and pan-islamism, or better, ottomanism, is failed. One is based on a linguistic basis, the other on a religious one. Even when AH came and we were connected to our supposed "brothers" Croats, Czechs and Slovaks guess what happened? The greatest emigration of Bosniaks in their history. Not that it means we feel hatred towards other Slavs...hell we are in the Slav group. But if we look at our history, other Slavs outside Bosnia have only made suffer us. How do you expect us to feel a bond with them? Vlachs have had a different history, to me it's obvious you'd feel it, and I say good for you, it's just paranoid seeing you getting crazy about a simple fact: pan-slavism is more or less non-existent among Bosniaks, because of obvious reasons.
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Post by MiG on Sept 15, 2008 5:56:36 GMT -5
pan-slavism is more or less non-existent among Bosniaks, because of obvious reasons. No, it's non-existent because being Slavic for the past 20 or so odd years has done nothing for Bosniaks. Just like someone here said... where were the Slavic allies back in the war to at least try and stop it?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 15, 2008 6:03:50 GMT -5
pan-slavism is more or less non-existent among Bosniaks, because of obvious reasons. No, it's non-existent because being Slavic for the past 20 or so odd years has done nothing for Bosniaks. Just like someone here said... where were the Slavic allies back in the war to at least try and stop it? Thats wierd to hear MIG. I mean the westies were running wild in the political/military arena of the yugoslav wars, when USSR was being under disintegration herself, and you accuse .... Slavs for not intervening? I mean, all Slavs at the time were in some kind of war... political... military.. The western attack against slavs (under the pretention of attacking bad communism) was global at the time. (We all know what happened with Yeltsin and the Russian parliament, and we all know whose puppet Yeltsin was). As a side note, amongst the myriads for the same matter, i think Yugoslavs were the most *happy* communists, so their former land should leave no traces.... (thats an inspiration of the moment!)
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Post by MiG on Sept 15, 2008 15:14:48 GMT -5
^ Let me break this down for you...
Well, that's the fault of our people and politicians, for letting this thing end up the way it did. Why couldn't we separate like the CSSR did?
Last I checked, out of all nations in the "Pan-Slavic" Council were not in any wars, Civil or otherwise.
Yeltsin wasn't a puppet. Russia has so many economic/corruption problems, it was a state of shock/emergency just to get out of it. If Yeltsin was a puppet, he would have disbanded the Nuclear Arsenal, and half the military.
No traces of what?
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Post by Banatski on Sept 15, 2008 17:41:35 GMT -5
If you feel closer to Greeks it's your sentiment, I don't feel culturally very close to them. At least I don't feel them closer than Russians, Ukrainians, Slovaks... Have you been to Greece, then to Ukraine, Russia, Belarus? Also, are you saying we are genetically closer to Greeks than to Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles? I don't have such an impression, really. Banatski, as you know i admire your spirit and your sharp way of thinking. Being a greek, i believe that although genetically (and especially today when every greek kid is at least 15cm taller than his dad, and quite blonder as well) we dont differ that much, the distance in mentality is huge. While we greeks look a lot like europeans, mentality wise i think we are closer to the lebanese or palestenians. (which is not an apriori bad thing) You nation is manufacturing-intensive by tradition, we are investment-business-intensive by tradition. The language barrier also is huge, although i believe (having a serb wife and trying to learn serbian myself) that before 5,000 or 6,000 years greek and slav was one language. Greek Serb ===== ==== Treho Trcim Trehis Trcis Trehi Trci Trehome Trcimo Trehete Trcite Trexoun Trce (Vin thanx corrected) Well i am all in for slavic unity, as long as old lone and isolated civilazations are intact, in other words as long as you dont become the same in greed as our western friends. You have the power. Use it wisely and by the will of God. Hey Nikolic, I have nothing but respect for Greeks and wish you all the best. It's not that I don't feel close to Greeks, but I think we are not as similar as some people here say. Bu the way, I am not really for slavic unity in the sense of wanting some kind of a slavic super-power, it's just that we Slavs never worked on finding common goals and interests, although we share many.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 15, 2008 23:14:51 GMT -5
off topic
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Post by kapetan on Sept 16, 2008 0:01:38 GMT -5
im not dissagreeing with you...but...how exactly does that picture prove that lolz
a bunch of guys carrying flags.
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Post by karabin on Sept 16, 2008 0:42:24 GMT -5
LOL, the first few guys look like turks.
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 16, 2008 1:01:58 GMT -5
No, it's non-existent because being Slavic for the past 20 or so odd years has done nothing for Bosniaks. The Muslims under Abdic were quite well off... until their land was "liberated" during Oluja. Just like someone here said... where were the Slavic allies back in the war to at least try and stop it? The Ukrainians, Russians, Byelorussians and Macedonians were supporting Serbs in Krajina and Bosnia. We Montenegrins have no modern blood or cultural relation to those slavs Except having a Serb/Slavonic orientated religion, having a variant of a Serb/Slavonic language and having Serb/Slavonic customs the Montenegrins have absolutely no connection with other Serbs/Slavs.
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Post by SKORIC on Sept 16, 2008 1:23:34 GMT -5
^ Mako's were (and still are) pretty split between Serbs and Croats.
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Post by MiG on Sept 16, 2008 2:31:34 GMT -5
No, it's non-existent because being Slavic for the past 20 or so odd years has done nothing for Bosniaks. The Muslims under Abdic were quite well off... until their land was "liberated" during Oluja. The Ukrainians, Russians, Byelorussians and Macedonians were supporting Serbs in Krajina and Bosnia. We Montenegrins have no modern blood or cultural relation to those slavs Except having a Serb/Slavonic orientated religion, having a variant of a Serb/Slavonic language and having Serb/Slavonic customs the Montenegrins have absolutely no connection with other Serbs/Slavs. Oh. But I only see them helping one side. Maybe you didn't quite understand what I was getting at. I was hypothetically asking why they didn't step in and stop the fighting, instead of fueling it behind the scenes. Why?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 16, 2008 2:37:25 GMT -5
"instead of fueling it behind the scenes."
Does anybody knows of anything remotely close to Ukrainians, Russians, Byelorussians and Macedonians fueling the bosnian war behind the scenes?
While at the same time, NATO/EU was there armying, intervening, killing, bombing?
In anycase it was supposedly a religious war (as advertised by the west) and the natural reaction of the Orthodox nations in response to catholic/muslim aggression, was to support their own.
P.S. MIG i had decided to not write here today, and you spoiled that!
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