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Post by sorryp on Dec 17, 2007 7:21:30 GMT -5
Mig try to concentrate on what some person writes and not on whether he likes you or not. You seem to base all your hasty reactions on the latter.
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Post by MiG on Dec 17, 2007 12:08:33 GMT -5
^ MiG is concentrating on that, kook. You are the one concentrating on who likes you and who doesn't and all the business about the people's "Karma". Quit worrying about "Karma" and people's hasty reactions to something. You have no right in the world to tell someone to get lost. This isn't a popularity contest dude, get over yourself.
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Post by sorryp on Dec 17, 2007 15:07:41 GMT -5
I made the simple statement that one of the most hated members of the whole forums should not be giving lessons about behaviour on those very forums. Thats a tautology almost, you must be really dump to miss this, yet you managed for once more to try to twist the obvious, (and to resort to name calling as usual). Nothing new from you (as expected).
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Post by avenger on Dec 17, 2007 19:07:33 GMT -5
highduke:
Really, it sounds a little Machiavellian to me. It doesn't seem realistic to expect to assimilate people into a nation with which they just had a recent war with. The majority of non Serbs wouldn't conform and what would you propose doing with them? Expell millions from their homes or murder them? Didn't Milosevic want to rule Yugoslavia through ethnic Serbian dominance? Didn't that set a war into motion? Seems like your vision for your country promotes the samething and I must say it it doesn't sound that much different than Nazi Germany. You'll have to excuse me for lack of detailed knowledge Balkan history but something that happened 1,000 yrs ago shouldn't be expected to happen today.
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Post by Fender on Dec 17, 2007 22:05:11 GMT -5
highduke: Really, it sounds a little Machiavellian to me. It doesn't seem realistic to expect to assimilate people into a nation with which they just had a recent war with. The majority of non Serbs wouldn't conform and what would you propose doing with them? Expell millions from their homes or murder them? Didn't Milosevic want to rule Yugoslavia through ethnic Serbian dominance? Didn't that set a war into motion? Seems like your vision for your country promotes the samething and I must say it it doesn't sound that much different than Nazi Germany. You'll have to excuse me for lack of detailed knowledge Balkan history but something that happened 1,000 yrs ago shouldn't be expected to happen today. I think you should read up on the recent Balkan history before you post. Nothing of what you wrote made much sense. As a matter of fact, much of it is non fact.
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Post by Anthologic on Dec 18, 2007 0:20:56 GMT -5
Holy crap!
Anybody here remember Secretary of Videogames and his retarded America-babble? I think we may have just unearthed it.
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Post by Pejoni on Dec 18, 2007 17:06:03 GMT -5
Pejoni, buy a simple graph paper, and draw the points of russian influence/military power from 1999 to 2007. I suppose that will answer your questions, and help you make some (friegtening for albies) accurate predictions too. Cheers. Hey, re-read what I wrote -> 2004 not 1999. I know what kind of superpower they are, but they talk more then actually proceed with their demends, unlike the US and thats a true fact. Even if they have upgraded their military, they will never come close to the US and we both know. Cheers
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 18, 2007 21:33:05 GMT -5
Talk more than they proceed? I suggest opening your eyes to what the US really does. The US is pretty much the world police, they fund 20 something percent of the UN, making them the biggest contributer. The US is all about diplomacy and negotiation, there usual method's involve paying off whomever they feel can get the job done to promote whatever it is they want to achieve without force. Military action is a last resort, as such the US bankrolls many many government's and pays out more than probably any three other countries combined. Yes, you are right Russia will probably never come close to the US in terms of military force because there really is no need to. Russia has no desire to become the world police, why would they? You also seem to denote the argument that limited warfare still plays a vital role in conflict's between nuclear powers? Look at Iran and Korea, both are close to achieving nuclear power, hell Korea shot a test rocket into the sea between it and Japan and what did the US do? Nothing they monitored it and set up embargo's or whatever it does to try and make the country decide otherwise. So in other terms, they really do nothing to stop it and I have yet to see them invade. Just a question but what do you think would happen if Russia set's up a military base with a nuclear weapon in Serbia? Everyone will be frantic, their will be sanctions but I can guarantee you no one will invade Serbia again. I personally would hate for this to happen but when the US breaks laws that are designed for everyone to co-exist under as though it does not apply to them what do they expect to happen? How does Newton's Third Law go? For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction
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Post by sorryp on Dec 19, 2007 5:29:38 GMT -5
Holy crap! Anybody here remember Secretary of Videogames and his retarded America-babble? I think we may have just unearthed it. Antho i have been monitoring the other guy for some time and have my reasons for anything i wrote. How do you feel you should get involved, and how do you justify your irrelevant (and weak) attack? P.S. Karma may not be that the no1 criterion of fairness, ofcourse, but a negative one shows that more people at times have been bothered to express their disapproval for a specific member than their approval. (And staring irrelevant fights certainly doesnt help in that direction). We are all (most) here for our love for Serbia. Lets not ruin the climate due to some provocative members behaviour. Am i wrong on that?
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Post by highduke on Dec 19, 2007 16:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:03:35 GMT -5
^^^ LOL.
What scares me is not what good ol' ridiculous Highduke proposes, but that Serbs still harbor this kind of complex. A nation of Nazi's indeed.
America would build something like that in Kosova. Your wrong to think that America will bow to Russia. As of now, its America building missile defense systems on Russia's borders, not vice versa.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:20:12 GMT -5
Do you even realize what the missile defense system is? It's not nuclear missiles but a defense system to shoot down the forementioned missiles. It is not an intended to be an offensive capability. The US would NEVER place a nuclear missile inside of Kosovo. It goes against everything they are fighting for. You are really starting to slide in your arguments now.
When in the history of the US, have they ever handed nuclear capabilities over to another country as a way to offset another nuclear powered threat?
You are letting your personal views interfere with logic and fact.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:22:22 GMT -5
I think its unlikely, but just as unlikely as Russia building a nuclear missile base in Serbia. Neither power will want to be that confrontational. But Im saying that its America locking in Russia, not vice versa.
At the end of the day, we will see who has the bigger balls.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:34:08 GMT -5
Why is it that far fetched? If Russia just drops a military base in Serbia is goes along with what the US does in just about every country in the world. Germany, England, Japan, etc etc. The US parks it's nuclear armed submarines in all sorts of foreign docks.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 19, 2007 18:38:46 GMT -5
Because the US has more power and thus rights then Russia. It a double standard, but thats how it is. Kosova will be added to this list of US influenced territories.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:40:07 GMT -5
Wrong...more rights? The same rights. Your making your own inaccurate rules.
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Post by Dsurazal on Dec 19, 2007 18:47:05 GMT -5
Oh and Toskali711, to show you that you don't know what your talking about.
The first post-Soviet-era Russian airbase in Kyrgyzstan has been completed forty miles from the U.S. base at Bishkek, and in December 2003...
Russia has the ability with the consent of the country, just like the US to build a base anywhere. But not many countries want foreign military on there soil and if they allow it they are usually very nicely compensated.
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Post by Fender on Dec 19, 2007 23:53:18 GMT -5
Do you even realize what the missile defense system is? It's not nuclear missiles but a defense system to shoot down the forementioned missiles. It is not an intended to be an offensive capability. The US would NEVER place a nuclear missile inside of Kosovo. It goes against everything they are fighting for. You are really starting to slide in your arguments now. When in the history of the US, have they ever handed nuclear capabilities over to another country as a way to offset another nuclear powered threat? You are letting your personal views interfere with logic and fact. Israel
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Post by Fender on Dec 19, 2007 23:54:48 GMT -5
Because the US has more power and thus rights then Russia. It a double standard, but thats how it is. Kosova will be added to this list of US influenced territories. How do you equate more power with more rights. This does not make sense.
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Post by Fender on Dec 19, 2007 23:55:43 GMT -5
In the case of the U.S., more power actually equates to more bullying.
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