Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 23, 2008 19:21:21 GMT -5
Fijatakis! ;D
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 19:31:26 GMT -5
and who says that Albanians are not Illyrians except Serbs themselves? ................................... recently I have heard Serbs claiming they are Illyrians...
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 19:37:35 GMT -5
...so what? The Ottoman culture was much more advanced that time than the Greeks. Turkish customs??? Look who's talking...truly, being in Greece and in Turkey I can hardly tell them apart...
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 23, 2008 19:39:32 GMT -5
Where do Serbs come from? I am sure they didn't come from North America.... they were there around the same parts... they are white and blond.... why Albanians can be Illyrians and Serbs/Bulgarians and some others can't be? The Serbs started making their tracks in the 5th and 6th century... I cannot find anything on Albanians that time ..not until 600 years passed.... Why?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 19:44:57 GMT -5
Same applies for Albanians Kanaris...where did they come from? No evidence of their arrival, in such a lot of evidence of Slavs' migration. As per Serbs being white this is true, but for them being bond...well....it is all an idea we Mediterraneans have because we connect them with Slavs...only a few blonds I have seen among them! They are just like Italians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and so on.
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Post by srbobran on Sept 23, 2008 20:11:18 GMT -5
Serbs are rarely naturally blond, we are Dinarics after all.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 23, 2008 20:42:49 GMT -5
Where do Serbs come from? I am sure they didn't come from North America.... they were there around the same parts... they are white and blond.... why Albanians can be Illyrians and Serbs/Bulgarians and some others can't be? The Serbs started making their tracks in the 5th and 6th century... I cannot find anything on Albanians that time ..not until 600 years passed.... Why? because Serbs are slavs maybe? How can Serbs be Illyrian and slavs? That's like saying you can be Illyrian and Greek, I mean you can obviously through inter-marriage but you have to chose between one or the other eventually ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 23, 2008 21:03:32 GMT -5
One major problem linking the Albanians with ancient Illyrian is the "language" fact that Albanian is a Satem language and Illyrian is thought to being a Centum language. One cannot descend from the other.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 21:05:46 GMT -5
Arxileas,
where did they find the Illlyrian language as to conclude? Not to add that there may be different dialects of Illyrian...
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 23, 2008 21:07:49 GMT -5
^ Maybe today's Albanian language is more of a mixture between Illyrian and Thracian. Thracian was a Satem. Maybe this explains it ?
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 23, 2008 21:14:34 GMT -5
Arxileas, where did they find the Illlyrian language as to conclude? Not to add that there may be different dialects of Illyrian... From the worlds foremost expert on the Illyrians " John Wilkes "
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 22:17:16 GMT -5
Arxileas,
forget Wilkes...one cannot talk about the structure of a language without knowing the inter-relations of morphemes, syntax and root words as well as the transformations they go through - declamations, conjugations, forms of plural, definite or indefinite articles and alike.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Sept 23, 2008 22:57:47 GMT -5
There is NO evidence of Illyrian writing whatsoever...we didnt have a alphabet until the 20th century...
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Post by raynon on Sept 23, 2008 23:26:46 GMT -5
hahahahahaha..even the Brits know Alex wasn't Greek. lolol
Even the Spartans or Athenians weren't called Greek during Alex's time.
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Post by albquietman on Sept 23, 2008 23:42:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure panagiotopoulos if you really did read my post carefully, but anyway, what this paragraph tells you, that Alexander was greek? From age 13 to 16 he was taught by Aristotle, who inspired him with an interest in philosophy, medicine, and scientific investigation; but he was later to advance beyond his teacher’s narrow precept that non-Greeks should be treated as slaves.One of us doesn't understand what is reading, I guess
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 23, 2008 23:49:35 GMT -5
that is f***ing shocking? a hardline, serb inbred agreeing with a greek wild theory, unheard of! Hardline Serb? Last time I checked Serb was an ethnicity and not a politically theory. It seems some people cant grasp the fact that "Macedonian" is a nationality and they didn't have nationalities during his era so I can assume that Alexander was a Macedon which means his tribe was Greek in origin. Politics aside, prove to me that he was a "Macedonian" and I will give you a pie.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 23, 2008 23:53:29 GMT -5
AlbQ, that phrase doesn't say much... care to explain?
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Post by albquietman on Sept 24, 2008 0:06:33 GMT -5
AlbQ, that phrase doesn't say much... care to explain? Well that phrase says a lot Teuta. Let's use some common sense and analyze the phrase. From age 13 to 16 he was taught by Aristotle, who inspired him with an interest in philosophy, medicine, and scientific investigation; but he was later to advance beyond his teacher’s narrow precept that non-Greeks should be treated as slaves.Ok...we don't care about the age, because that doesn't make him greek or macedonian, not even what did he learned from his teacher Aristotle. But we know that Aristotle was greek, but as the paragraph above says, Alexander went above his teacher’s narrow precept that non-Greeks should be treated as slaves. So it was Alexander who went above his teachers preceipt, doctrine about the non-greeks, why, because he wasn't greek himself, because if he was greek, why he would care about it anyway?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 24, 2008 0:12:40 GMT -5
It doesn't say much again, because even if he were Greek he could have had some humanist ideas. Aristotle may have spoken to him a lot about what is right and what is wrong....therefore, his thoughts on slave issue cannot prove what you want to prove; and you know why? Because I am not sure how plausible your source is since the term Greek used there may very well be Hellenes...it makes me think of it as a recent study of modern times, even though I am not sure.
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Post by albquietman on Sept 24, 2008 0:18:06 GMT -5
My source is from Britannica, which I think is a reliable source...now we can play with the words in every single sentence written in this world, but what I think is that that's the first impression you get when you read that paragraph, that Alexander wasn't greek...now if greeks make him greek, that doesn't surprise me, because they made George Kastrioti greek
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