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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 24, 2008 0:26:59 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me either. However, Alexander's origin (not nationality) to my opinion was only Macedonian and it is very hard to figure out whether Macedonians were Greeks or vice-versa (Greeks became Macedonians...lol) I think all he had Greek was the culture. Again today it is hard to distinguish by our standards of nationality what Alexander really was. He fought to spread the Hellenism but only because he was in love with Athenian culture. He thought to spread it...the best of Balkan into Asia. How thoughtful of him...He also thought initially that other cultures were not as advanced, so he, the altruist, thought to save other humans from the darkness and enlighten them by...starting the War. Great pretext to start a war...because as we know he never came back to his beloved country; as they say, he loved so much the cultures he encountered he even wanted to adopt them. In regard to adopting cultures he had shown great skills.
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Post by albquietman on Sept 24, 2008 0:42:22 GMT -5
He had a thing about adopting other cultures. He did the same when he conquered Persia. As the paragraph below says (taken from Slate.com): He married a Bactrian wife and encouraged his officers and generals to do the same. Indeed, he was criticized by the Macedonian hard-liners for being too deft in assimilating himself to the customs of those he had defeated.www.slate.com/id/2110188/I guess we can call him persian too
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Post by Teuta1975 on Sept 24, 2008 0:46:47 GMT -5
lol...lol...of course...I am assuming he also spoke their language.
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Post by albquietman on Sept 24, 2008 0:53:18 GMT -5
I guess so too...
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 24, 2008 1:04:16 GMT -5
Alexander the Great wasn't a slave. The people living in Macedonia are slavs. Ancient Macedonians were Greek and so was Alexander.Macedonians today speak Serbian with a twist, Alexander the Great wasn't a Serb with a twist.
Although I still don't rule out the half Illyrian theory but he never accepted that and whoever doesn't accept that is not Albanian to me. End of.
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Post by Sotirios on Sept 24, 2008 2:40:16 GMT -5
If the question was:
What nationality was Socrates?
What would the correct answer be? Athenian or Greek?
According to the game hosts it should be Athenian.
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Post by libofsha on Sept 24, 2008 5:36:23 GMT -5
what does it even mean? he didn't exactly fight for the glory of present day greece, he fought for himself, for macedonia, the notion of ethnicity and pertinence was very flimsy then, he spread the macedonian influence not greek, he regarded himself as such, macedonians did have their own language so the athenian example does not apply here, language distinguishes races, not necessarily but it is a big badge of distinction.
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 24, 2008 5:39:03 GMT -5
AlbQ and teuta it don't matter what you think, the evidence of the Greekness of the Macedonians is as concrete as the Acropolis’s in Athens is. The Acropolis has just got to be real. It can be felt, touched and it can be seen, well same goes for the evidence on the Greekness of the Macedonians, you should come for a holiday at Dion and Pella, Greece. Ok guy's the message has reached both the Greek media and the none Greek media...Even the Greek Embasy in the U.K. .
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 24, 2008 6:28:51 GMT -5
hes mother was not illyrian hes mother was from epirus , her name was Olympia. epirus , maceodnia = greek
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Post by libofsha on Sept 24, 2008 7:05:48 GMT -5
epirus was illyrian!
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 24, 2008 8:13:41 GMT -5
No it was not.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 24, 2008 8:38:50 GMT -5
Even if it was ...what does that have to do with Albanians? We shaped illyrians into what they were then we absorbed them.... they have no connection to Albanians.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 24, 2008 9:33:18 GMT -5
Even if it was ...what does that have to do with Albanians? We shaped illyrians into what they were then we absorbed them.... they have no connection to Albanians. Yes...just like Arvanites have no connection with Albanians. Just like Cams would've had NO CONNECTION with Albanians if they were assimilated. Just like today's ALBANIAN immigrants in Greece won't have any connection with Albanians in a few decades. JUST LIKE if Greece had their way ALBANIA would have NO CONNECTION AT ALL WITH ITSELF!!!!!!!!!! IS THERE ANY COUNTRY THAT IS A BIGGER BULLSHITTER THAN GREECE???
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Post by libofsha on Sept 24, 2008 9:42:27 GMT -5
you know what? i think i've lost interest
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Post by ilirdardani on Sept 24, 2008 10:29:09 GMT -5
We shaped illyrians into what they were then we absorbed them.... they have no connection to Albanians. You cannot prove that they have no connection to Albanians, and you cannot prove that we Albanians have connections with someone else, which in turn leaves only the Illyrians, as we have Illyrian names to this day, and speak the same damn language. ( of course with a lot of changes, and added words, we're talking thousands of years here) I'm pretty darn sure that the Greeks throughout centuries have stolen Illyrian history and made it theirs, just because they had the writers, they changed history, just because they could. Like Serbia tried to do with Kosovo and Albanians, trying to erase the history and claim that the land was theirs. BS
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Post by kartadolofonos on Sept 24, 2008 10:56:24 GMT -5
Shqipitars is an Turkish tribe were not Illyrians
You are not 100% Illyrians and the Fyromanian are not 100% Macedonians,
Slavs come in 7 th century to the Balkan and the have no connection to Ancient Macedonia. There is no proves or evedience of your claims that the Modern Albanians are descent of the illyrians you asimilated with the Illyrians.Illyrians spoke the same language akin to the Hellenes the were influenzed by the Greeks. Modern Albanian language is not Hellenic. Your forefathers were the Ottomans your Ethnos and Country was a creation of the Anti Hellenic Powers.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 24, 2008 11:45:24 GMT -5
Ilirdardani..I like you don't read my posts.
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Post by Novus Dis on Sept 24, 2008 13:57:53 GMT -5
You cannot prove that they have no connection to Albanians, and you cannot prove that we Albanians have connections with someone else, which in turn leaves only the Illyrians, as we have Illyrian names to this day, and speak the same damn language. ( of course with a lot of changes, and added words, we're talking thousands of years here) The burden of proof is on you. We shouldn't be made to prove a negative. I like it how Albanians assume they are speaking "Illyrian" but when we ask them to show us the Illyrian alphabet they simply say that the Illyrians never institutionalized the language (i.e. wrote it down and made it official.) Its very convenient if not unbelievably stupid. I'm pretty darn sure that the Greeks throughout centuries have stolen Illyrian history and made it theirs, just because they had the writers, they changed history, just because they could. So if Illyrians weren't Greek then what were they? Scythians? Goths? Romans? Aliens? Like Serbia tried to do with Kosovo and Albanians, trying to erase the history and claim that the land was theirs. BS There are millennia old Serb churches and monasteries in Kosovo... Albanian mosques and other structures on the other hand aren't older then 400 years and most of them were built by the Turks.
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Post by ilirdardani on Sept 24, 2008 16:25:08 GMT -5
The burden of proof is on you. We shouldn't be made to prove a negative. I like it how Albanians assume they are speaking "Illyrian" but when we ask them to show us the Illyrian alphabet they simply say that the Illyrians never institutionalized the language (i.e. wrote it down and made it official.) Its very convenient if not unbelievably stupid. Show me proof that the Albanian language is tied to any other known language on earth, that is spoken at the moment, or that we know it was spoken. I on the other hand can show you that Serbian is a Slav language and you came to the Balkans. We're one of the oldest nations on earth, together with the Greeks, I know they don't like to accept it because that's how they live, in fear, and stealing someone else's history. (same crap that Serbians did with Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo) So if Illyrians weren't Greek then what were they? Scythians? Goths? Romans? Aliens? Illyrians were Illyrians dude, and the Albanians are the Illyrians, there's no other way to look at it. Greeks are Greeks, and Serbians are Slavs that came to the Balkans. You have nothing to say in this topic, you're a visitor to the Balkans, you have no history here. There are millennia old Serb churches and monasteries in Kosovo... Albanian mosques and other structures on the other hand aren't older then 400 years and most of them were built by the Turks. 99.999 percent of the churches in Kosovo, were Albanian, build by Albanians and used by Albanians until the Serbian machine, came and occupied the land, together with the help of ottoman empire, turned half of them into mosques, destroyed a lot of others and then the rest they turned them into orthodox churches so that they can claim Kosovo, thats what the Serbians did throughout centuries, claim someone elses history, churches, land, whatever else they could get. There's proof of that, and there's proof Serbian govt after govt, creating plans on how to destroy the Albanians and make a greater Serbia by erasing the Albanians from the face of the Balkans. (and erasing their history) Too bad it didn't work right? Now you're the kurva of the balkan and every nation on earth knows what you did.
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Post by adolfmussolini on Sept 24, 2008 16:57:26 GMT -5
Shqipitars is an Turkish tribe were not Illyrians You are not 100% Illyrians and the Fyromanian are not 100% Macedonians, Slavs come in 7 th century to the Balkan and the have no connection to Ancient Macedonia. There is no proves or evedience of your claims that the Modern Albanians are descent of the illyrians you asimilated with the Illyrians.Illyrians spoke the same language akin to the Hellenes the were influenzed by the Greeks. Modern Albanian language is not Hellenic. Your forefathers were the Ottomans your Ethnos and Country was a creation of the Anti Hellenic Powers. We understand that you're trying to prove your Greekness kaka *applause* even if any of the shit you spew is true, the Turks have long gone now, who have the Albanians living next to since they left? LOL That's right you cannot escape us, that's why it angers you, because we are just like you and you don't know how to deal with that. So you say we're Turks to make yourself feel better about the fact that you have an Albanian grandfather.
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