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Post by ioan on Jun 25, 2008 3:20:33 GMT -5
Of course the Greeks were dark haired/eyes and had Mediteranian look. So did the Thracians and the Illirians. Why? Cause of the climate.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 3:26:08 GMT -5
^^^ they seem not to understand this ioan. I guess they cant grasp that concept..we are talking about a nation that does not have any native seafaring words. Its like they were isolated in the mountains forever.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 3:41:56 GMT -5
Correct! Do you eve know what a Mediterranean is?The ancient Egyptians where of Mediterranean stock. Like this following lady. Yes i know,and none of thous ancient hellenic sculptures do not look like meds you describe,not even close!.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 3:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 3:51:40 GMT -5
luma,
news flash...illyrians proper were familiar with the sea. They have even crossed over to modern day italy. Can you provide more proof as to why you have not retained illyrian language since you were " in the mountains " forever w/out any type of mixing involved ?
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 4:08:08 GMT -5
Those busts i posted where of a Mediterranean type. Luma1912 has an inferiority complex; he can not accept reality because it does not suit his loser agenda.
This site is heavily biased. The person who wrote it is a neo Nazi.
Here is some real evidence written by real Anthropologists, not by some racist loser.
"Early anthropologists commonly believed that the Hellenes belonged principally to the Mediterranean race. This was the view shared by Sergi and Ripley. In a more recent study of the problem of Race, John R. Baker in says that later studies 'do not appear to have disproved' these views. Buxton in shares this general view, although he observes that brachycephals were a part of the Greek population from the beginning and that the Greeks were a mix of Alpine and Mediterranean people from a comparatively early date."
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 4:11:08 GMT -5
luma, news flash...illyrians proper were familiar with the sea. They have even crossed over to modern day italy. Can you provide more proof as to why you have not retained illyrian language since you were " in the mountains " forever w/out any type of mixing involved ? Not all illyrian tribes were familiar with sea, thous who were on coasts they were latinized lingustically, but thous who lived in mountainous areas and all the high altitude vocabulary is unique and remained illyrian.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 4:16:05 GMT -5
Those busts i posted where of a Mediterranean type. Luma1912 has an inferiority complex; he can not accept reality because it does not suit his loser agenda. Those busts you posted do not look like the greeks the pictures i posted or like mediteranean people you describe to us, it is you that have inferiority complexses, its you who try desperately to believe that you descend from ancient hellens who looked like thous in sculptures but you dont and thats the problem, evem i look more like thous on sculptures than any of your mediteranean greeks that defenetly look nothing like thous in sculptures, instead of that they look more like thous of assyrian,egypt sculptures! Here also something for you buy a real anthropologist who have studied albanians very closely! get this book! The Mountain of Giants: A Racial and Cultural Study of the North Albanian Mountain Ghegs. Carleton S. Coon.And may bitternes rip you while you read it!. Albania and the Dinaric Race (chapter XII, section 13)
dr.Carleton Steven Coon
Ghegs =Northern Albania, Kosovo down to Elbasan. Almost all of the Ghegs are light-skinned....Seventeen per cent of Ghegs have pure brown eyes, and 7 per cent pure light ones. Half the group has green-brown iris combinations and 20 per cent blue-brown.
Tosks (south albanians)= South Albania, Greece, Italy and Romania. Most Bostonians, who possibly see fifty to one hundred Toscs (albanians of the south) in a week, are unaware of their presence, while they have definite ideas, formed upon first sight, as to who is an Italian, an Armenian, or a Jew. It is my opinion that the Toscs, in pigmentation as well as in bodily and facial characters, resemble the southern and central French very closely; that they and the French form the two ends of the Alpine racial area in Europe, the center of which is largely taken up by the Dinaric amalgam.Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations
Mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequences and Y chromosome haplotypes (DYS19 STR and YAP) were characterised in an Albanian sample and compared with those of several other Indo-European populations from the European continent. No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically. We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics, even though slightly more significant for the Y chromosome than for mtDNA. Altogether, our results show that the linguistic structure of continental Indo-European populations is not reflected in the variability of the mitochondrial and Y chromosome markers. This discrepancy could be due to very recent differentiation of Indo-European populations in Europe and/or substantial amounts of gene flow among these populations.www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v8/n7/abs/5200443a.htmlI think thats enough proof for you.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 4:26:53 GMT -5
I also seen albos here that look straight from the steppes of asia. Unibrow, short and stubby and the whole 9 yards. I really dont see your point....unless you belong to the ku klux klan to think that anybody in the balkans is ethnically " pure " is simply ridiculous at best...
we are in 2008 and STILL SPEAKING, WRITING, READING a language that has been around for thousands of years. Again...that pretty much says it all...
you still cant say the same for yourselves...so you come in and try to use physical descriptions to satisfy your inferiority complex...
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 4:30:29 GMT -5
it also may be proof thay you are newcomers in the region...i mean all of europe to be somewhat mixed and the albanians not ?! Either your extremely lucky OR you have been planted here fairly recently and did not have a chance to assimilate with other ppls...
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 4:32:48 GMT -5
Those busts i posted where of a Mediterranean type. Luma1912 has an inferiority complex; he can not accept reality because it does not suit his loser agenda. Those busts you posted do not look like the greeks the pictures i posted or like mediteranean people you describe to us, it is you that have inferiority complexses, its you who try desperately to believe that you descend from ancient hellens who looked like thous in sculptures but you dont and thats the problem, evem i look more like thous on sculptures than any of your mediteranean greeks that defenetly look nothing like thous in sculptures, instead of that they look more like thous of assyrian,egypt sculptures! Here also something for you buy a real anthropologist who have studied albanians very closely! get this book! The Mountain of Giants: A Racial and Cultural Study of the North Albanian Mountain Ghegs. Carleton S. Coon.And may bitternes rip you while you read it!. Albania and the Dinaric Race (chapter XII, section 13)
dr.Carleton Steven Coon
Ghegs =Northern Albania, Kosovo down to Elbasan. Almost all of the Ghegs are light-skinned....Seventeen per cent of Ghegs have pure brown eyes, and 7 per cent pure light ones. Half the group has green-brown iris combinations and 20 per cent blue-brown.
Tosks (south albanians)= South Albania, Greece, Italy and Romania. Most Bostonians, who possibly see fifty to one hundred Toscs (albanians of the south) in a week, are unaware of their presence, while they have definite ideas, formed upon first sight, as to who is an Italian, an Armenian, or a Jew. It is my opinion that the Toscs, in pigmentation as well as in bodily and facial characters, resemble the southern and central French very closely; that they and the French form the two ends of the Alpine racial area in Europe, the center of which is largely taken up by the Dinaric amalgam.Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations
Mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequences and Y chromosome haplotypes (DYS19 STR and YAP) were characterised in an Albanian sample and compared with those of several other Indo-European populations from the European continent. No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically. We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics, even though slightly more significant for the Y chromosome than for mtDNA. Altogether, our results show that the linguistic structure of continental Indo-European populations is not reflected in the variability of the mitochondrial and Y chromosome markers. This discrepancy could be due to very recent differentiation of Indo-European populations in Europe and/or substantial amounts of gene flow among these populations.www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v8/n7/abs/5200443a.htmlI think thats enough proof for you. You are my donkey. I have no need to speek with someone so stupid as yourself. You can accept what all real scientists have to say about modern and ancient Greeks or you can keep living a wet dream. The modern Greeks look exactly like the ancient Greeks no matter how much mixture they where predominatly Mediterranean, if you like it or not. I will not post anymore because there is no need, what i have stated about the Greek people is real, not the garbage you and your 'freinds' have to say.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 4:34:07 GMT -5
it also may be proof thay you are newcomers in the region...i mean all of europe to be somewhat mixed and the albanians not ?! Either your extremely lucky OR you have been planted here fairly recently and did not have a chance to assimilate with other ppls... not may but you can't prove , you can prove only how majority of modern greeks arrived from Asia Minor not more than 80 years and you are one of them, if not then you are Arvanite-Vllach
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 4:39:09 GMT -5
it also may be proof thay you are newcomers in the region...i mean all of europe to be somewhat mixed and the albanians not ?! Either your extremely lucky OR you have been planted here fairly recently and did not have a chance to assimilate with other ppls... not may but you can't prove , you can prove only how majority of modern greeks arrived from Asia Minor not more than 80 years and you are one of them, if not then you are Arvanite-Vllach So saize the nobody... My family is all from the Peloponnese, and we all have dark features just like all the Mediterraneans.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 4:41:45 GMT -5
yes..i am one of them. I have roots from Constaninople and damn proud of it too...
the hellenes were all over the place...espescially true on the asia minor coast w/ our islands in the middle. Not to mention magna greacia in sicily...so what is your point ? How else can you influence the world if you stay in one place ?
again...we speak greek with minor changes if you consider how much time has past....can you say the same ? where is your illyrian language ? Coming in here with blood samples isnt going to change a thing...In order to be accurate you would have to find a mummified " illyrian " and compare its dna w/ yours, until then...its just speculation at best.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 4:45:55 GMT -5
not may but you can't prove , you can prove only how majority of modern greeks arrived from Asia Minor not more than 80 years and you are one of them, if not then you are Arvanite-Vllach So saize the nobody... My family is all from the Peloponnese, and we all have dark features just like all the Mediterraneans. Peleponnese was full of Albanians and many Slavs...do you know good genealogy of your family?, maybe you will find some albanian name of your great-great-great fathers before XVIII Century.
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 4:47:05 GMT -5
yes..i am one of them. I have roots from Constaninople and d*mn proud of it too... the hellenes were all over the place...espescially true on the asia minor coast w/ our islands in the middle. Not to mention magna greacia in sicily...so what is your point ? How else can you influence the world if you stay in one place ? again...we speak greek with minor changes if you consider how much time has past....can you say the same ? where is your illyrian language ? Coming in here with blood samples isnt going to change a thing...In order to be accurate you would have to find a mummified " illyrian " and compare its dna w/ yours, until then...its just speculation at best. Do not deal with such losers... We are Greeks, these people migrate to our country for a better life, we should just pity and look down upon them.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jun 25, 2008 4:49:15 GMT -5
yes..i am one of them. I have roots from Constaninople and d*mn proud of it too... the hellenes were all over the place...espescially true on the asia minor coast w/ our islands in the middle. Not to mention magna greacia in sicily...so what is your point ? How else can you influence the world if you stay in one place ? again...we speak greek with minor changes if you consider how much time has past....can you say the same ? where is your illyrian language ? Coming in here with blood samples isnt going to change a thing...In order to be accurate you would have to find a mummified " illyrian " and compare its dna w/ yours, until then...its just speculation at best. Do not deal with such losers... We are Greeks, these people migrate to our countryt for a better life, we should just pity them, they are sorry excuses for human beings. Yes like you said we migratet in your Peleponese after XII Century, you know well history greek1234
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 4:49:39 GMT -5
Why your parets did migrate to Australia? just for fun? hypocrit! You are my donkey. I have no need to speek with someone so stupid as yourself. You can accept what all real scientists have to say about modern and ancient Greeks or you can keep living a wet dream. The modern Greeks look exactly like the ancient Greeks no matter how much mixture they where predominatly Mediterranean, if you like it or not. I will not post anymore because there is no need, what i have stated about the Greek people is real, not the garbage you and your 'freinds' have to say. Its not a wet dream! the sculptures you posted have no connection with the greeks i posted! whos the donkey now? I provided concrete facts about albanians 1. Albanian language was prooven to be Indo-european language buy Philologist Franz Bopp. 2. Albanian Anthropology was studied buy Physical anthropologist Carleton Stevens Coon, as natives of dinaric mountain range! 3. Albanian genetics has been analyzed buy European Journal of Human Genetics. All three concretely refer as ALBANIANS ARE NATIVE EUROPEAN!Thous are FACTS! and it feels good to be Albanian! Prove all the tree wrong! till then eat chit! ;D
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 25, 2008 4:53:26 GMT -5
So saize the nobody... My family is all from the Peloponnese, and we all have dark features just like all the Mediterraneans. Peleponnese was full of Albanians and many Slavs...do you know good genealogy of your family?, maybe you will find some albanian name of your great-great-great fathers before XVIII Century. Thats like me trying to take credit from ottoman greeks in the ottoman empire!! Do you see us praising Mehmet II or Sinan the architect ? How many ethnic greeks were in the ottoman empire that now feel like turks ? You try to tell them that they are not turks. The reasoning you albos use is SOOOO Stupid...pfft
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 4:53:58 GMT -5
Why your parets did migrate to Australia? just for fun? hypocrit! You are my donkey. I have no need to speek with someone so stupid as yourself. You can accept what all real scientists have to say about modern and ancient Greeks or you can keep living a wet dream. The modern Greeks look exactly like the ancient Greeks no matter how much mixture they where predominatly Mediterranean, if you like it or not. I will not post anymore because there is no need, what i have stated about the Greek people is real, not the garbage you and your 'freinds' have to say. Its not a wet dream! the sculptures you posted have no connection with the greeks i posted! whos the donkey now? I provided concrete facts about albanians 1. Albanian language was prooven to be Indo-european language buy Philologist Franz Bopp. 2. Albanian Anthropology was studied buy Physical anthropologist Carleton Stevens Coon, as natives of dinaric mountain range! 3. Albanian genetics has been analyzed buy European Journal of Human Genetics. All three concretely refer as ALBANIANS ARE NATIVE EUROPEAN!Thous are FACTS! and it feels good to be Albanian! Prove all the tree wrong! till then eat chit! ;D Do you want me to throw you some money?
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