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Post by Kassandros on Jan 4, 2008 19:20:08 GMT -5
Epiroti "They convert to Orthodoxy because they are well aware how religious you guys are, and because you aren't very keen to give jobs to Albanians with Turkish-sounding names (unfortunately the communist regime didn't do anything about that, like it did about religion - not to offend the turks here, but I prefer names of Illyrian origin much more). You still have't observed that Albs are not very religious?!" ---------------------------------------------------------- ..You mean.. how religious the grand parents are.. who are the minority?! I think you dont pay much attention here dude. I said.. Albanians are the MAJORITY in that village. They ALL have legal documents. They RENT land so that makes them EMPLOYERS. They are very protective to GREEK GRANPAS. That is what I said.. and you distorted. PS. ...Albanians were not very religious.. during Hotza. You'll be surprised in Greece. "What, you expect their kids not to go to school?!" ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Turks in Germany are the worst pupils in the German educational system. They are getto. Here.. you dont see Albanians forming getto. They are part of the Greek society... and they love it! Sorry... "(Assuming that you are saying the truth here, and in the next paragraph) We have serviles too in our race. Many of the guys you are describing are poor Albanians villagers, who lived in real poverty back home, who have created a certain hatred against their nationality. They finally found a richer and more comfortable place to live at, and are ready to (really) change their identity in return. And others... to them it's just a game!" ---------------------------------------------------------- Is it so easy to follow a rich guy dude?1 You know.... you speak with Greeks. Hellooo . We were the poor immigrants all around the world. Dont tell me that being a nation rich... we forget Greece and we follow. Soemething else happens... and is more deep... unfortunately for you.. Sorry again.. "They don't allow other Albanians because they don't want competition. And don't say "to disturb their beautiful life there" - say, to disturb their survival there. Why the hell are you making it political?! Turkalbanians?! It's simple. That concept exists ONLY in the mind of the nationalistic greeks. " -------------------------------------------------------------- read my following post.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 4, 2008 19:31:00 GMT -5
Donnie "The term "turkalbanian" is an artificial and political term with clear aims. One is to attempt dividing the Albanians on religious grounds, saying the Muslim Albanians are all sympathetic of Turks and their Orthodox counterpart are partisans of the Greek cause. Bullocks." ------------------------------------------------------------ Artificial?? In the Greek revolution in 1821 many orthodox Albanians died for the Greek couse killing Muslim Albanians and Turks. Later in WW2 the Bali and Compentar Albanian Nazi divisions in Greece were only Muslims and between their victims, except Greeks, were also Orthodox Albanians. Today, in Greece, Orthodox Albanians and Muslim Albanians follow tottaly different lifestyles. What artificial??? Is the real life. "The second is to portray us Muslim Albanians as agents of the Turks with completely similiar interests and ambitions" ------------------------------------------------------------- They arent? Its the first time in history of Turkey after the collapse of Ottomans... where they have step.. by ships... in a naval base in Albania... and with soldiers in Kossovo. I cannot remember anyone else calling them for a visit since then.. . "In reality, as Meltdown explained, it is about realpolitik. In regards to Greece our interests often submerge. It has nothing to do with your delusions about the 1820s. Our sympathies are not finely cut along religious lines. But I can see there's a temptation in wishing it was so for your part. " --------------------------------------------------------------- Real politic??! Real politic means to be in the same path with the one that accepted an inumerable number of your immigrants, more than any other country, that helps continously in supplies etc. Thats Greece dude. Real politic says... be with Greece. They are the ones who helped Albania after Hotza more than any other nation. Dont tell me about Real Politic. Its the genes that counts in your case. You have never become free from them.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 4, 2008 20:49:54 GMT -5
1. Balli kombetar(It was one group, It means "National Front") never touched Orthodox Christian Albanians, just philo-Greeks, which are mutually exclusive. It was largely Muslim because it was composed of conversative landowners who did not wish to see their holdings removed. Many of them were also ex-royalists(my great-grandfather being one of them). Btw, many of the members of the Balli Kombetar were also people who were originally members of Fan Noli's government.
2. You only show the basest knowledge of Albanian history.
Here is out good friend Greece:
-Consistently backed Serbia against Alb interests. -Continuously sneaks its nose in Albanian politics -Continuously tried to break-up Albania, and much of the population still believes that we somehow have your "stolen land".
Oh, how I feel for Greece. Us treacherous Albs, who just cant seem to accept the idea of hypocrisy.
Hey, yo, greco, realize this: Albanians will naturally side the people who like us and back our issues. Turkey backs Albania, from Kosova to everything else. Greece just sticks its nose for its own interests.
Realpolitik is following logical, emotionless diplomacy. It would not be logical for Albanians to be for a nation that is against my country's every interest. On a purely historical basis, Greece is up there with Serbia.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 4, 2008 23:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by albquietman on Jan 4, 2008 23:47:48 GMT -5
Basil doesn't realise something when he talks about the albanians in that village, that probably most of them are "turkoalbanians" that he claims that have different lifestyles comparing to orthodox albanians.
On the other hand, because Albania was an atheist state (which was good by the way), or because albanians in general are not religious people, most of the todays families are mixed if we judge them by religion...well, probably you'll say that you've heard them saying that they are orthodox, but don't forget that they live in a country with zero religious tolerance and don't forget that they are albanians...for us the religion is the last one on the list...
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 5, 2008 0:07:03 GMT -5
1. Balli kombetar(It was one group, It means "National Front") never touched Orthodox Christian Albanians, just philo-Greeks, which are mutually exclusive. It was largely Muslim because it was composed of conversative landowners who did not wish to see their holdings removed. Many of them were also ex-royalists(my great-grandfather being one of them). Btw, many of the members of the Balli Kombetar were also people who were originally members of Fan Noli's government. 2. You only show the basest knowledge of Albanian history. Here is out good friend Greece: -Consistently backed Serbia against Alb interests. -Continuously sneaks its nose in Albanian politics -Continuously tried to break-up Albania, and much of the population still believes that we somehow have your "stolen land". Oh, how I feel for Greece. Us treacherous Albs, who just cant seem to accept the idea of hypocrisy. Hey, yo, greco, realize this: Albanians will naturally side the people who like us and back our issues. Turkey backs Albania, from Kosova to everything else. Greece just sticks its nose for its own interests. Realpolitik is following logical, emotionless diplomacy. It would not be logical for Albanians to be for a nation that is against my country's every interest. On a purely historical basis, Greece is up there with Serbia. I can't see it...but somewhere in there it should say Greece is bankrolling my country..and since Turkey is backing Kosovo.... (they are actually backing their Turk minority) ..why would you want Greece to back them too? Turks were the first ones to run to your aid when the Serbs were 'cleaning you out" .... oh yeah..all those Turkish tanks ... entering Kosovo ....
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 5, 2008 0:11:54 GMT -5
I would rather the investments come from somewhere else... Most Albanians would agree that Greek investment and influence is detrimental to the country. The problem is that Albanians want quick fixes.
More like UN is, in order to make Kosova appear less Albanian. Im completely against the granting of official language status to the Turks of Kosova, it just didnt make sense; and I think that most Kosova Albs and ROAlbs feel the same way. But nevertheless, they support an independent Kosova. Thats really the heart of everything.
Plus, though I've never been able to confirm this, Turkey was the one that threatened Greece when the latter wanted to bring their military into Albania during the 97-crisis.
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Post by donnie on Jan 5, 2008 4:15:15 GMT -5
Yes Basil, the term "turkalbanian" is artificial. You say Orthodox Albanians and Muslim ones were always opposed. Not true. I am sure you'd classify Ali pasha as a "turkalbanian". Did you know that several of his closest men and warriors were Orthodox Albanian and/or Arvanites, such as Odhisea Andruco, Bakola, Vangjel Zapa, Dhjako and many more ?
Likewise, did you know that Albanian Muslims aided the Greek revolution in the early 1820s? Ago Vashari, Celo Myrto & Mustafa Qafzezi to mention some. Yet religious fanatism and an obsession in the division of everything along religious lines alienated those Muslims, pushing them to take the Turks' side. The same type of Christian talebanism displayed by you.
Indeed I am also of the opinion that Albania and Greece could have and can be good friends. But expansionist tendencies and ambitions in Greece to incorporate Southern Albania, exercise much influence on Albania and attempt to assimilate the Orthodox Albanian segment have always hindered sincere cooperation and friendship. Meanwhile, Turkey continues having good relations with the Albanians as a whole (disregarding religion) which is why there is more sympathy for Turks than Greeks. Nothing to do with "turkalbanians".
The Turkish minority in Kosova accounts for some 20,000 souls. Their importance is at best symbolic -- they are not of major strategic importance for Turkey. The Turks' decision to support us, the reasons that is, must be sought elsewhere.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 7:34:39 GMT -5
Lets see some things about the "detrimental" and "hostile" policy of Greece towards Albania then.. that justifies the Albanians of that forum..
By the Hellenic Aid report for 2005.
"The sum of 3,138,083 euros has been allocated of the materialization of 28 programmes in Albania. Some of these programmes concerned the prevention of gynaecological cancer, pre-natal diagnosis of genetic diseases, the construction of a school building and medical center, women's unemployement-job market and self-employment, the installation of an electrical transformers and supply of electricity to the water supply sub-station and the covering up of drinkable water wells in Skodra, setting up a cultural centre in Korce, the supply, installation and operation of an axial tomography scan in the diagnostic center "Evaggelismos" of the Holy Archdiocese of Tirana, the construction of of a primary school in the city of Van I Dejes, the building of a secondary education school in Skodra, the construction of an aqueduct in the village of Drymmades of Chimara, telecommunication and internet infrastucture of informatics in the Korce University, projects designed for the multiple and integrated utilization of waters of the river Suche, interaction study for the small Prespa lake-Devoli river, continuation of works of the Arsakeion Greek-Albanian college in Tirana, as well as the prevention and combating of the illegal traffic and trade in children of Albanian descent"
So? We speak about ONE only among the 10 at least non-governmental organizations who help Albania. We speak about money who are donations of the Greek citizens.
If we add the Official Greek Aid that contains.... from uniforms and vehicles to Albanian police... to PC and ambulances to Albanian hospitals...
If we add the 700,000 Albanian economic immigrants, who are almost 10% of our population, and NOT even one country accepts immigrants more than 5-6% of their population...
If we add the Official Greek gvnmt policies who has isolated ANYONE who speaks about idepedent Voreio Epirus...
The official Greek gvnt policies who struggle for the integration of Balkanian countries in EU despite the loath of W.Europeans for Balkanians?
All these dudes..... consist "hostile" policies of you neighbor.... ? This is your real politik? To increase tention with Greece who have common borders with you and for sure a huge army for you.... and having good relation with Turkey who still dreams the Ottoman Empire by utilizing the Turkish minority and their religion inside your land?
Guys.... you must really have smart politicians!.... or you're just ignorant Albanians of diaspora who say... what they tell them to say.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 7:40:52 GMT -5
Also I see many of you saying about religious tolerance. There is religious tolerance in Greece. What it does not exist is Turkish tolerance! Egypt by far is the country that takes many visas for their economic immigrants. Villages with tradition to fishing every year accept a huge number of Egyptian fishermans to work. One among those villages is Nea Michaniona in Thessaloniki. Many of the children of the Egyptians are economicaly ADOPTED by Greek families. That means... they send money all the year for that children. Also many villagers "allow" those Egyptians to get married with their doughters. Quite weird for such a intolerant country.. right? Guys... the problem is not the Muslim religion. We live with Muslims all ourlives together. The problem is the Turkification and the ones that follow that religion...
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 7:48:03 GMT -5
Lets see now the policies of Albania
Open a harbor for Turkish ships, although they know that Greeks will react
Invite Turkish tanks in Kossovo, although they know that Greeks will react
Allow and promote people from Chamouria to express their hostility even in official Greek govnt visits to Albania
Dont allow people of the Greek minority in the south to use any kind of signal from Greek TV stations
Groups of people, visit during the night, isolated Greek villages in the south during elections and they shot bullets in the air and doors. Albanian police... always takes action the next day. Not even ONE arrest.
So..... after all these data I gave you about the policies of the 2 countries...its easy for an Albania who loves Albania to know what to do. The question here is... people in this forum are people who love Albania.... or their motherland Turkey?
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Post by donnie on Jan 5, 2008 9:18:59 GMT -5
Basil
Are you suggesting those "aids" from Greece are mere and sincere subsidies? That Greece has no other agenda, one interested in wielding influence over Albania? You trully think Greece would do those things you listed unless it did not benefit her? You think those 600,000 Albanian immigrants in Greece do not contribute to Greece? That they're all on welfare because Greece is so kind and humane towards Albania and the Albanians? Many of them aren't even legal. Their presence is tolerated since the labour is cheap and easily returned.
It is precisely the two faced politics of Greece that make you suspects. The continuous racism displayed towards the Albanian immigrants in Greece as well as subtle approaches towards exercising more influence in what you Greeks stubbornly referr to as "Northern Epirus"; something which takes its expression in a desire of full annexation of this part of our country among the most zealous Greek nationalists.
With Turkey it is different. Now Greek politics has also pushed FYROM towards a closer relationship with Turkey. Given Greece's geographic position, I do not see such isolation as enviable.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Jan 5, 2008 10:35:47 GMT -5
During Sultan regime turks have taken many albanian and greek little kids and sendem to turkey to be well educated at universities in Stamboll. Now days people which living in turkey, in albania and in greece are all mixed together and our three countries should be united with each other and ruling the world.
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Post by leandros nikon on Jan 5, 2008 11:57:18 GMT -5
heil mysia,cousin!!!
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 13:34:33 GMT -5
Donnie "Basil Are you suggesting those "aids" from Greece are mere and sincere subsidies? That Greece has no other agenda, one interested in wielding influence over Albania? You trully think Greece would do those things you listed unless it did not benefit her? You think those 600,000 Albanian immigrants in Greece do not contribute to Greece? That they're all on welfare because Greece is so kind and humane towards Albania and the Albanians? Many of them aren't even legal. Their presence is tolerated since the labour is cheap and easily returned." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Quit funny eh? I thought you would say.. "yes we thank you, but.." and you said "I dont care for my luck. I care for your misfortune".
That is your way of thinking? When somebody donates a perfect park in your neighborhood.... you'll say "What is his discount from the tax office ?" instead of thanking God that he choose that way of having tax discount? Not very smart Donnie...
Also.. i've never heard you saying.. "Turks did that to us for that in advance". "Americans did that to us for that in advance" etc etc.
I think.. if you put your self in the shoes of a simle Greek citizen that has donate his money for the reconstruction of Albania or although has suffered a violent crime in the begging of the Albanian immigration to Greece but nevertheless... he never took revenge by hunting Albanians in the streets like Germans do with their immigrants, ....... I think that answers your next question about "racism towards Albanians" in Greece and "two faced policies". If you were in the shoes of that simple Greek citizen.... I believe you would be the worst racist.
Afterall.... see yourself; You hate Greeks.... and they have done nothing to you that justifies that hate. Imagine yourself... donating money to Greeks, hosting them in your country despite their crimes, .... and on the other side... seing them hating you. You would be worst. Believe me.
Dont try to find justification for your hate to Greeks. There is no justification if you're Albanian. Try to find the real problem... inside the Turkification of Turkalbanians. Thats your only problem. If Turkey loved Greece.... you would love it too.
"It is precisely the two faced politics of Greece that make you suspects. The continuous racism displayed towards the Albanian immigrants in Greece as well as subtle approaches towards exercising more influence in what you Greeks stubbornly referr to as "Northern Epirus"; something which takes its expression in a desire of full annexation of this part of our country among the most zealous Greek nationalists."
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 14:03:05 GMT -5
Thats your only justification. See the name of your country... between other brother countries... These are the only countries in the world that support the Turkish cause. See the countries.... Now... do you understant the "racism" of the Greeks towards Albanians ? You are the only "European" country.... among them.... and you're the only neighbor that Greece helps economicaly. Thank God... you're not in our shoes... "Eight ambassadors and four charge d'affairs were also present at a luncheon Thursday hosted by Gül on the occasion of Talat's visit to Ankara. The ambassadors of Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Libya and Ethiopia attended the luncheon while Albania, Oman, Qatar and United Arab Emirates were represented by their charge d'affairs." www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=92892
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jan 5, 2008 14:13:12 GMT -5
The point is that both (Albanians and Greeks) have been gone through a lot in centuries... According to history, we have seen that Greeks expelled Chams, still call the area "North Epirus" which is not correct because we live in the 21st century and the area is "South Albania", supported Serbs during Kosovo's crisis, teach children at school that Epirus was Greek, dividing Albanians between TurkoAlvanos and Arvanits (!!!!!!!!!), threatening Albania that in the future they may vote against Kosovo's indipendence and against Albania's addmition in EU and threatening Albania that one day they may attack South Albania (as it happened in 1999)!!!! What Albanians have done to Greece? You will tell me "Skenderbeu" division which allied with Nazis' during the War and never asked yourself why did those souls do that??? I will remind you that Greeks before the War misstreated Albanian population in Greece (you'll ask me for sources here...in the previous posts of mine I've given many...is just that is in Albanian...but are stories told by the persons who have suffered...) What else? Some sporadic crimes (ordinary) which are commited by uneducated people and you take it as Albanian Policy? !!!! Crimes commited by simple people and genocide (Chams)!!! 2 different things. Accusing Albania for misstreating Greek minority in Albania, when my best friend (and her family) were Greek minority (now are in Greece) and if you listened to them....they have nostalgy for the time they were living in Albania compared to the discrimination they face in Greece eventhough they are of Greek minority!!!!!!! If Greece invests in Greece and allow immigrants to work in Greece of course we say thank you. But there is also Greece's interest in it. Instead, when Albs. helped Greece they have done that out of any interest and profit. But Greeks also should have said thank you to Arvanits who fought on your side and not categorize them as non Albanians.....and you also should say thank you to those Greek souls who arrived after the second world war in Albania (South) and the Government (the one which "supposedly" was persecuting them) gave them land and house to settle in and didn't treat like slaves (immigrants) by asking them to be "legal" or "illegal"...and also Albania has never threatened Greece by any war as to take South Epirus..... I may be wrong, but what I want to point out is that Greek policy compared to Albanian policy has always being carried out by having some sort of benefit in Greek's behalf....and I am not talking for simple people but for Government...instead...Albanians have helped Greeks (when they could of course) out of any profit or benefit...
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 5, 2008 15:34:27 GMT -5
NATO move, it was sponsored by them. This was a move to help improve the Albanian Navy. Turkey volunteered and established a base there. We are friends with Turkey, its a friendship base thing; and I dont see what Greece's business is. We are not your lackie, Albania is an independent nation. 1. Why is it the business of Greece? What does Greece have to do with Kosova? 2. Turkish troops came as NATO troops. 3. There are Greek troops in Kosova also, and from what I've heard, their main goal was to aid the Serbian side, not Albanians.... surprise surprise. 1. Albanian govt cant dictate when and where people will protest, especially Albanians. We are an emotional people and small things can trigger angry crowds. 2. Chams have a right to compensation for their suffering, so long as they move through the right channels. Protesting is a freedom; they can use it. They were illegal stations not registered. They broadcasted without paying the Albanian state the right to broadcast. The move was completely justified. These stations were a couple of targets of a far greater move. Isolated Greek villages are just that... isolated. Southern Albania still has some dangerous places, and local Greek moves designed to aggravate the local population with their claims have not endeared them to anymore. Not to mention little facts like giving a "Welcome to Greece" signal on your cell phone when you enter certain zones. Police in the south are widely distributed and it can take a while for them to reach certain areas. Its very very easy to get away with such small crimes in Albania. Those areas are just lucky the person didnt fire at anyone . In most parts of Albania, people dont even shudder when they hear the sound of a bullet, let alone call the cops. Get a little tougher, Greeks. Only because mother EU doesnt like its members pushing for seditious objectives. But keep in mind that only recently one of your diplomats in Albania made a connection between Kosova and southern Albania. Even tho Albs are a clear majority in both territories.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 5, 2008 16:45:26 GMT -5
Teuta "According to history, we have seen that Greeks expelled Chams" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course, as I understand, the fact that those chams were allies of the Nazi occupiyng troops when they were burning inside churces Greek villagers in Epirus for not being "ruts" for the Greek gorillas..... is not a very serious issue for you..? "still call the area "North Epirus" which is not correct because we live in the 21st century and the area is "South Albania"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- All that area is Epirus. Epirus has north and south. I dont get you.. where is the problem with that? There is west and east Thrace.... we must call it Greece and Turkey only? "supported Serbs during Kosovo's crisis" ------------------------------------------------------ We would support every Balkanian under attack from a big power. We support also Iraqis. We support also Palestinians. That makes us... bad? Also, especially for Kossovo, if we accept that wherever exists majority of different origin people in a country.... that means that we have to start real wars in Balkans in order to rearange the borders. You know very well that Balkans is the appropriate land for that things. Excuse me for being against the American plans for the distabilization of Balkans based on the minorities who are spread ALL over Balkans. Also dont forget that... if we start playing that game... you'll find yourselves in a very difficult position.. somewhere in your south.. Honey... being a majority in an area of a country, does not mean WAR and separation. "teach children at school that Epirus was Greek" --------------------------------------------------------------- ..and what do you want from us to do; hide from the children that the Royal family of Molosoi... were in Mars? Since... it was a Greek kingdom... we must hide it... because 50 years ago a state was created there? "dividing Albanians between TurkoAlvanos and Arvanits (!!!!!!!!!)" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arvanitis...? I thought that Arvanites are more apropriate to speak for that since I'm Macedonian. But as far as I know... Arvanites deny anything Albanian on them... and you deny anything Greek on them. I think... I believe the authentic; The Arvanites. "threatening Albania that in the future they may vote against Kosovo's indipendence and against Albania's addmition in EU" ---------------------------------------------------------------- As I told you... you have to choose; US as it is now or EU where minorities dont want separation when they form majority in an area. "and threatening Albania that one day they may attack South Albania (as it happened in 1999)!!!! " -------------------------------------------------------- ?!! Where do you got that? In "Hotzas news" TV station? ;D "What Albanians have done to Greece? You will tell me "Skenderbeu" division which allied with Nazis' during the War and never asked yourself why did those souls do that??? I will remind you that Greeks before the War misstreated Albanian population in Greece (you'll ask me for sources here...in the previous posts of mine I've given many...is just that is in Albanian...but are stories told by the persons who have suffered...) What else? Some sporadic crimes (ordinary) which are commited by uneducated people and you take it as Albanian Policy? !!!! Crimes commited by simple people and genocide (Chams)!!! 2 different things. " -------------------------------------------------------------- Honey no need for big talks. You know very well there was no genocide. Thinks are simple. They choose the wrong side in WW2 and they lost stuff as all the allies of Germans lost. Buglarians lost, Italians lost, Rumanians lost.... why the Chams should be out of it? Of course everyone of the Axis allies had a reason to be into that alliance... but they lost. Accept it. WW2 is over. "Accusing Albania for misstreating Greek minority in Albania, when my best friend (and her family) were Greek minority (now are in Greece) and if you listened to them....they have nostalgy for the time they were living in Albania compared to the discrimination they face in Greece eventhough they are of Greek minority!!!!!!!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- All of the Greeks that come back from Albania and USSR... and generally former commounist countries accuse Greece. Almost all of them had in mind that when they will come back to Greece a Mercedes and a villa will wait for them... What can I say... its a cruel capitalist world... even in our paradise.. "But Greeks also should have said thank you to Arvanits who fought on your side and not categorize them as non Albanians" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont categorize non of the Greek tribes. Greek is anyone who feels Greek. Arvanites have categorized themselves as Greeks. Its not my choice. My choice is to categorize my tribe the Macedonians to Greeks. Its Arvanite's choice... and they took it. ".....and you also should say thank you to those Greek souls who arrived after the second world war in Albania (South) and the Government (the one which "supposedly" was persecuting them) gave them land and house to settle in and didn't treat like slaves (immigrants) by asking them to be "legal" or "illegal"..." ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hotza news" again? Since when the Greeks in North Epirus.... are immigrants?! Honey... you're kidding me right? "and also Albania has never threatened Greece by any war as to take South Epirus....." ------------------------------------------------------------------- Albania is not in position right now to make any kind of war. Americans are. When you see an Albanian politician... pushing hate towards Greece.... and you see American diplamats smiling in Tirana.... bad news for Balkans.
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 5, 2008 16:58:50 GMT -5
Lol, what a joke. Your self-righteous adoption of the "David" image is just plain sickening. No, that wasnt the reason, it was your hatred of anything Muslim in the Balkans and unquestionable support for Serbia that allows/ed you to turn a blind eye to formers persecution by the latter. You couldnt care less about the 800,000 expelled Albanians who were only able to come back to their property because of America, or the 10,000 dead.
This is why Albs distrust Greeks and why we see your influence as detrimental.
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