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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 19, 2009 23:45:25 GMT -5
The origin of the name of the illyrian tribe, Arban or Arber and the state of Arberia comes from the word Arë which means arable land, or agricultural land, and Ban (or Ber) - to work on or to do... Arban could also mean a agricultural farmer which corresponds with the neolithic farmers since the origin is from that time.
Arban was the name of one of the Illyrian tribes and all the Albanians used to call themselves Arbanit aka Arberesh people. We get our culture traditions language and costumes from the Illyrians so anybody who calls us something else they have just a wishfull thinking.
The name was replaced by Shqiiptar during the 1500s but it continued with the people who emigrated to Greece and Italy during the middle ages, and they still call themselves Arberesh (Arbanite or Arvanite and later corrupted by the Turks Arnaut while western foreigners called us Albanian instead of Arbanian).
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 20, 2009 3:20:35 GMT -5
Yea but when Albs were supposedly called "Land workers" they were mostly nomadic pastoralists... who didn't work the land... In fact this was a major point of differentiation between Arbers and Vlachs and the Greeks and Serbs: they were not land bound...
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jan 20, 2009 5:32:11 GMT -5
They always were land workers, how do you think they ate...and it is not how you thinkk...if you read any accounts you will see that albanians were really really isolated!
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Post by meltdown711 on Jan 20, 2009 5:37:46 GMT -5
They ate the products that the sheep gave out. Thats how animal husbandmen eat. Reliance heavily on milk and high protein dairy products.
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Post by donnie on Jan 20, 2009 5:44:21 GMT -5
They ate the products that the sheep gave out. Thats how animal husbandmen eat. Reliance heavily on milk and high protein dairy products. Which gives strong and well-grown warriors ;D
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Post by highduke on Jan 20, 2009 7:55:57 GMT -5
LOL thanks for a good laugh the Albanoi & Abri (NOT ARBI) are 2 SEPERATE ILLYRIAN TRIBES. No Illyrian tribe named Arberi or Arberesh EVER existed - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_Illyrian_Tribes
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Post by donnie on Jan 20, 2009 8:04:02 GMT -5
Polybius, in his History of the World, mentioned a city called Arbon in modern day Albania. He calls its inhabitants Arbanitai in the 2nd century BC, which later evolved into Arvanites. Interestingly the medieval Greek term for Albania was Arvanon.
Regarding the Albanoi, the root -alb (from Latin 'albus' meaning 'white') might very well be the translation of a tribe's name inhabiting the same region, namely the Parthini, the root 'parth' sounding remarkably close to the Albanian word 'bardh' (white)
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Post by epiroti on Jan 20, 2009 8:09:46 GMT -5
Lidhja e fjales 'are' me 'arber' nuk me duket shume bindese! Shtimi i shkronjes 'b' e ben te duket si nje fjale teper ndryshe.
Ndersa teoria qe permendi Dijedoni duket me e besueshme. Edhe pse ajo shpjegon tjeter gje, dhe jo fjalen Arber.
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Post by highduke on Jan 20, 2009 8:25:31 GMT -5
Arbon is a city not a tribe, donnie, yet this thread is talking about a non-existent tribe called Arberi, otherwise the etymology of those words is debatable & we should keep in mind the fact that Greeks often called new tribes by the names of ancient ones that used to inhabit the same territory without implying ethnic continuity
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Post by tsompanos on Jan 20, 2009 9:03:53 GMT -5
so why do todays albanians call themselfs shqiptars?
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Post by libofshe on Jan 20, 2009 9:41:05 GMT -5
why greeks and not hellens? why romanian and not dachian? why irish and not celtic?....why serb and not.....scum?
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Post by tsompanos on Jan 20, 2009 9:46:10 GMT -5
well i cant answer for the others but we greeks still call ourselfs Ellines and Greece Ellas
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Post by libofshe on Jan 20, 2009 9:59:04 GMT -5
we still call ourselves the 'sons of arber', you find that being used in a lot of folk music
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 20, 2009 9:59:09 GMT -5
Some say that Albania derives from Alb, which in Latin/Romanian means white. Now you say it derives from "arë" which means arable land. In Romanian we have "ara" from Latin "arare." It means to plough. Probably no connection, though.
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Post by epiroti on Jan 20, 2009 9:59:25 GMT -5
Why Shqiptar and not Albanian.
The term albanian has always been foreign to us. Donnie's post can help understand that. Until very recently, the word Shqiptar was associated with the albanian word Shqiponj, for Eagle. Scanderbeg having used the double-headed eagle in his flag, and being the first to unite albanians, in some very sucessful campaigns, also somehow re-inforced this connection of Shqiptar with Shqiponj.
But around a year ago, an albanian documentary was made on albanians who migrated to ukraine a few hundred years ago. And they used the verb 'shqiptoj' for 'understand'. This verb is nowdays used in albania only to mean 'pronounce', and not 'understand'. So the documentary ended up creating an alternative for the understanding of the word 'Shqiptar' - could have well been used by us to differentiate between people whose language we understand (who spoke albanian), and the ones who couldn't understand (i.e. non-albanians).
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Jan 20, 2009 10:08:30 GMT -5
so why do todays albanians call themselfs shqiptars? Arber (Albania-ns) means gold place and people that are create by Myself Lord/God Sun_MYSUS Christ. Ar+ber (Arban) Ar=Gold ber=made Albania means Sun_Rise the place or country from where the Sun comes uP. Albanians are Sons Of Eagle and Sons Of God. Another word for Albanians is Shqiipetar which that means Eagle Epiri. (Sons of Eagle) Shqi+ipetar Shqi=Eagle Ipetar=Epiri Cheers Myself, Universal God Lord Of Albania Mysia Jesus the Messiah !!!!!
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Post by jerryspringer on Jan 20, 2009 10:18:53 GMT -5
"Ar" means gold in Albanian? Aur means gold in Romanian and derives from Latin aurum. It seems that Albanians are Romanian who forgot their language and made up their own language based on old knowledge.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Jan 20, 2009 10:28:45 GMT -5
Ararat (where taken place of the Noah bible story in Turkey) is pure albanian word which means the place where Gold is in many layers. Ara+rat Ar=Gold rat=layers Anitta is right!! Dacians (Romanins) and Mysians (Alb-Illyrians) are same people from Thrace that are related from the same blood and same root!!! Romania capitol Bucharest is pure Albanian word which means place that is beautiful. Bukur+esht Bukur=Beautiful esht=is Cheers Myself, Mysia Jesus the Messiah !!!!!
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Post by tsompanos on Jan 20, 2009 10:37:43 GMT -5
mysia
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Post by libofshe on Jan 20, 2009 10:46:43 GMT -5
"Ar" means gold in Albanian? Aur means gold in Romanian and derives from Latin aurum. It seems that Albanians are Romanian who forgot their language and made up their own language based on old knowledge. it would seem that way wouldn't it? so logical, its simply makes sense
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