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Post by L0gjICK on Sept 2, 2009 12:30:45 GMT -5
Rex, all Albanians f**k around like that. I know where I'm from they try to play with the American kids from the diaspora and they would ask us what "kar" their parents drive in America.
Or they would joke around with me and ask if I lived in "Amerika Madhe."
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Post by rex362 on Sept 2, 2009 12:36:48 GMT -5
well I believe thats the basic of what Donny was talking about
then you have higher levels of that stuff and then some ..
its done with straight faces and calculated timing its a setup/conjob
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Post by donnie on Sept 2, 2009 15:47:26 GMT -5
Off topic; do you guys (outside Kosova) have a thing called mesele, for which I can only find one translation, i.e. anecdotes ? It's a cool thing if you get the hang of it ... basically through anecdotes and metaphors, a villager could be making fun of you and undermining your authority right under your nose without you knowing it ... and you sit there and laugh like a moron. Not even people from cities like Prishtine or Prizren know this style which seems to be present only among villagers, and even among them, only the gifted ones trully master it ... meaning that those who learn to interpret themdo not necessarely know how to use the style. Or as one famous Muje Loshi said to somebody who asked him if he could learn more mesele than Muja, to which he answered; " po, krejt mundesh m'i msue, ama duhesh me dit edhe vendin ku m'i qit ... " Sorta like an inside joke? I have no idea, sounds way too vague. Can you provide an example? OK, I'll use some examples I can think of. Before that though, I must say that the type of mesele I am thinking of is different from Rex's, because it's not usually that vulgar, and secondly it's references to real occurences used to illustrate something else, drawing paralells and implying something indirectly ... or simply talking in metaphors, as a way of speech. First example, and a real one. Two UDBA functionaries were told that in the village of Kozhice, the people are really witty and that they should be wary of them. The functionaries laugh and say nothing can pass their attention, and so they go to Kozhice. They are well received, given food, raki and good company. In the end, the functionaries had eaten so much food and meze that they had to loosen up their ties. They start talking about the problems and issues the villagers were facing. " Qysh po ju shkojne punet ketu ne katun?" asked the functionaries. " Paj mire me thane, vec kane ardhun do thi t'eger prej mali e po na i damtojne pemet!" said one of the villagers. " Po me bageti e gja, qysh po shkon hesapi?" asked the functionaries. " Ah, me bageti bet po shkon. Po kemi mjaft ushqim me ju dhanun, bile bile, kaq shume po ju jepim kijeve sa qe edhe kerpeshin po duhet mja zgjidh!" said the witty villager. They continued the evening in a similiar fashion and the functionaries departed full of content. Did you understand? I'l use another example, one which reveals a different side of the mesele tradition, which is simply talking in metaphors and symbols. Xhemajl Obria was a pleqnar in his days (1800s) and had many friends. One form Shkodra decided to one day visit him, and traveled all the way from Shkoder to Kosove. When he arrived, Xhemajl wasn't there, and so he was received by his brother, an incompetent imbecil who didn't treat the shkodran accordingly, as is custom of course. Finally Xhemajl came back and asked his friend how his trip had been. " Mire, krejt rrugen shume mire kalova, por kur mberrita n'oborr tand, mora n'thu (I tripped) n'nji cung!" the shkodran said. " Hajt se s'u ba kijameti, qe pesedhete vjet po marre n'thu n'qat cung dhe hala asnji bujashke s'po muj me ja hjek!" Xhemajl laughed. In other words; don't take my brother to seriously, because he is a fool whom I haven't been able to educate a bit for the last fifty years ... which is related to another saying of Xhemajl; " n'rrethine m'therrasin Xhemajl Aga, n'katun Xhemajli, a n'shpi Xhemajlaci ..." Basically mesele are anecdotes you use in the proper way to convey a message ... or, speaking in metaphors, for instance thick people are explained with paralells in the animal words, i.e. thi, dash, ka etc.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 2, 2009 16:49:32 GMT -5
ok ....I now see what you are more referring to with this mesele .. I also imagine it has plenty of innuendos as well
-bo bo, pak zor per mua pak lafe-
bageti ? kerpeshin? kijeve?
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Post by insomniac on Sept 2, 2009 17:10:31 GMT -5
bageti = livestock
i dont know the other ones as well...
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Post by rex362 on Sept 2, 2009 17:30:56 GMT -5
livestock ok...I cant figure out what one word we use for livestock all I can figure is for individual animal groups
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 2, 2009 21:44:26 GMT -5
back to topic
so Balkan men have this macho culture.
And they are also metrosexual??? Can someone elaborate on that???
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 2, 2009 22:38:26 GMT -5
^ Yes this is true. It's really just a sign that we are an emotional people who have ways of expressing ourselves. We don't have this sort of autistic western male culture.
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 3, 2009 3:45:35 GMT -5
Autistic western male culture???
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 3, 2009 4:08:12 GMT -5
^ Yeah Asians are pretty autistic as well so don't worry you wouldn't understand such concepts. Balkanites are the least autistic people in the world. Although I do worry about some Greeks.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 3, 2009 5:55:08 GMT -5
What do you mean with "autistic"?
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Post by hellboy87 on Sept 3, 2009 9:52:56 GMT -5
exactly,what do YOU mean by autistic,arsenije???
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Post by zoti on Sept 3, 2009 10:21:23 GMT -5
Guys you're on the freaking internets, use it while you're at it.
"Autism is a brain development disorder characterized by impaired social interaction and communication."
I know exactly what you mean Arsenije, I have 40 yr old American friends whose social life consists of playing "Halo" for 8 straight hours.
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Post by donnie on Sept 3, 2009 11:37:27 GMT -5
ok ....I now see what you are more referring to with this mesele .. I also imagine it has plenty of innuendos as well -bo bo, pak zor per mua pak lafe- bageti ? kerpeshin? kijeve? Insomniac explained "bageti". The word "kerpesh" is a special rope, or tie, you use on cattle, to lead them somewhere. "Kije" or "qe" is plural of "ka" (bullock, working bull).
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 3, 2009 11:40:04 GMT -5
I know some people here have parasitic viruses in their brains.... they make autism look like a simple headache.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 3, 2009 11:42:32 GMT -5
ok
we use kabistal for leading rope thing
the qe and and ka ....I got it now
thanks
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Post by zoti on Sept 3, 2009 16:03:42 GMT -5
ok we use kabistal for leading rope thing Kurse ne Laberi perdorim "Kapister" per qete qe te punojne tokat ose per Greket kur u kruhet prapanica.
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 3, 2009 17:32:36 GMT -5
The father is American Beauty was tough too on his son..no kissing no hugging and at the end of the film .... we found out he was a closet queen.
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Post by rex362 on Sept 3, 2009 17:47:32 GMT -5
that was a good movie
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Post by Kanaris on Sept 3, 2009 18:01:20 GMT -5
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