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Post by Aris on Jul 15, 2009 16:42:49 GMT -5
Will I get an answer to my questions, or will you guys keep talking about souvlaki and cakes Is said sou flaki ! ;D
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jul 15, 2009 17:13:26 GMT -5
Will I get an answer to my questions, or will you guys keep talking about souvlaki and cakes People have been answering your questions but apparently they're not satisfactory enough for you and you turn them into arguments.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 15, 2009 17:20:56 GMT -5
The answers I've been getting have been: "They called themselves arber before shqiptar" "they were called arber due to a big tribe in the area, causing everyone else to be called arber"
These answers are flawed, for one reason because as you can see from my example, European peoples call themselves something with a meaning in their language, not what others call them (Albanians).
As for the tribe theory, even if that was true, why have such a powerful tribe with a foriegn name? It's suspicious
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Post by Aris on Jul 15, 2009 17:23:15 GMT -5
The answers I've been getting have been: "They called themselves arber before shqiptar" "they were called arber due to a big tribe in the area, causing everyone else to be called arber" These answers are flawed, for one reason because as you can see from my example, European peoples call themselves something with a meaning in their language, not what others call them (Albanians). As for the tribe theory, even if that was true, why have such a powerful tribe with a foriegn name? It's suspicious The name change from Arbër to Shqiptar during the Kastrioti's rule !
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Post by terroreign on Jul 16, 2009 1:03:07 GMT -5
The name change was from a foreign one, to an Albanian one
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Post by insomniac on Jul 16, 2009 1:39:02 GMT -5
Ok enough with your crap. If you want take your theories to Cafe Montenegro. Here you are just spouting rhetorics.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 16, 2009 3:00:42 GMT -5
I'm not trying to offend...it's just a simple observation. Why can all of us other balkan people have questions asked about our histories, but not the Albanians? Why can't we freely talk about this.
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Post by mendor on Jul 16, 2009 9:51:31 GMT -5
Arber Ar - gold ber - made ofSo it means made of gold...happy now
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Post by kolonia on Jul 16, 2009 20:01:14 GMT -5
hahaha was this guy actually saying that Arber is not an Albanian word
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Post by terroreign on Jul 16, 2009 20:51:18 GMT -5
so you went from being "free people" (Iliri) to the "gold people" (Arberi) to the "sons of the eagle" Shqiptaret
quite a change you guys
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 16, 2009 21:56:26 GMT -5
I'm not trying to offend...it's just a simple observation. Why can all of us other balkan people have questions asked about our histories, but not the Albanians? Why can't we freely talk about this. Cause if we do we will be billed as antisemitic.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 17, 2009 0:55:34 GMT -5
It's funny the jeolosy that grows through some members here. They all want to usurp the good stuff that come from Albania yet they are the first to point the bad stuff out.
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Post by Aris on Jul 17, 2009 9:47:37 GMT -5
so you went from being "free people" (Iliri) to the "gold people" (Arberi) to the "sons of the eagle" Shqiptaret quite a change you guys If you will continue to listen to Mysia I will call the Montenegro's police for your safety ! ;D _____________________ 1-Illyrians derive from Hyllus( Albanian "yll" means "star") , which was the first king of Illyria and name the land under his name ! 2-The Albani was an Illyrian tribe which has lived in modern central Albania ! 3-The Albani Illyrians live near the city named Albanopolis ! Which translated from Hellenic means "The city of the Albani" ! 4-After the Slavic invasions in northern Illyria , the surviving Illyrians in southern Illyria would be called "Illyrii propie dicti" translated from Latin "Ethnic Illyrians" ! These surviving Ethnic Illyrians live near the mountains and was leaded by a highlanders tribe named Albani ! 5-In the medieval age , was not a coincidence that they're(Illyrians) descendants use the name of this tribe( Albani) ! Not only this , but they use even the city of the Albani( Albanopolis) as the capital of the country ! Albanopolis = City of the Albani / Kruja = "Kryja" means "head" . Albanopolis = Kruja , because has the same meanings . Albanopolis(City of the Albani) was the most important city of the survived Ethnic Illyrians and Kruja(Head) was the capital of the medieval Albania ! _______________________________________ Is so easy , from(Illyrian) "The city of the Albani" to the(Medieval Albanian) "Capital of the Albani" ! Why ? Because during the Illyrian times , "The city of the Albani" was not the most important city and was not the capital ! But in the medieval ages it became the most important city . From city to capital ! _______________________________________ Don't listen to these crap , like : Illyrians "Freemans" or Albanians "Whitemans" ! All crap ! a) Illyrians = Hyllus ! b) Albanians = Albani Illyrians !
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Post by Patrinos on Jul 17, 2009 11:50:46 GMT -5
How do you know that Illyrians called themselves "Illyrians"...? Greeks named different people with names that themselves didn't use...like Aegyptos, Aethiopia, etc...is there any illyrians inscription that proves that they called themselves like this? Or all are an hypothesis?
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Post by Aris on Jul 17, 2009 12:40:18 GMT -5
How do you know that Illyrians called themselves "Illyrians"...? Greeks named different people with names that themselves didn't use...like Aegyptos, Aethiopia, etc...is there any illyrians inscription that proves that they called themselves like this? Or all are an hypothesis? Even if they not call themselves Illyrians , the issue was the Albani tribe !
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 17, 2009 12:42:19 GMT -5
They called themselves Illyrians cause present day Albanians says so.
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Post by Aris on Jul 17, 2009 12:46:07 GMT -5
They called themselves Illyrians cause present day Albanians says so. Mike , this isn't funny ! You can do better ! ________________ The issue is real ! Even if the Illyrians has called themselves Gypsos , the important FACT here is the Albani Illyrian tribe !
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Post by Kanaris on Jul 17, 2009 13:23:02 GMT -5
Okay.... sorry!
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Post by Aris on Jul 18, 2009 9:18:15 GMT -5
Look at this :
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