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Post by todhrimencuri on May 16, 2009 17:54:25 GMT -5
Like i said, when they bring in voting statistics, then it will make things more interesting. Albanians have always had a taste for Greek music. Anyway, I see you and Basil are determined to put all your efforts on me. lol, thats fine, I can handle fighting off many by myself. Like I said, Albs here know the reality in Albania. We know it very well. Your free to think what you want though.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 16, 2009 17:57:56 GMT -5
hm yes we saw what kind of reality you know...reality of my bytha...
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Post by Kassandros on May 16, 2009 18:01:37 GMT -5
Toskali "Considering that half the population of Selanik was Jewish, and then you add in the vast number of Bulgarians and Turks. It is not at all a surprise that Greeks were a minority within the city until they took over and pretty much cleaned it out of its non-Greek background, destroying the soul of the city pretty much" ---------------------------------------------------------- And how it comes and before those bad Greeks before they took over... the were the ONLY ones with Football club.... with Greek language as the official one among all commounities.... with Greek Christian churches more than any other church... more newspapers than any other ethnic group etc etc? To many privileges for a very small minority.. Toskali... stop humiliating yourself. You dont know either. Your hate for Greeks may guide you to say that even Leonidas and Spartans were alliens... lol lol You know... history of Thessaloniki will not change because Toskali says... on the other hand.... Toskali will stay in our minds from what he says.. Do yourself a favor dude... Toskaliku "Its called Istanbul ("land of bridges" in Persian)..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- .... Toskaliku.. the one that creates the cities is the one that baptizes them... the rest are just bs.. I dont have a problem calling it Istanbul or Izmir.... but in the future history of the city.... the citizens WILL KNOW FOR EVER.... they had a different name and they came second... and you know... the first guy, the first love... is the one that counts PS. "Eistinpoli" and "Eistinsmyrni".... is fair enough if you cannot speak good Greek Say it in turkish if you wish.. Istinpol... instanbul... or ... istinsmyr... ismir.... Their citizens will always know that.. Thats a nightmare for me if I was in their shoes... Thessaloniki has the same name the last 2,300 years. Until today.. still with the first love.. "... and Izmir" ----------------------- maybe you mean... Gavour Izmir... That is how they called it.. you forgot why this post is created?
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Post by Kassandros on May 16, 2009 18:08:37 GMT -5
Toskali "Anyway, I see you and Basil are determined to put all your efforts on me." ----------------------------------------------------------- You know... you dont meet a person hates you, every day. Its interesting... "lol, thats fine, I can handle fighting off many by myself. " ----------------------------------------------------------------- ... Isnt what you wanted from the beggining? To feel different and a "lonely but brave warrior"? We do you a favor dude.... you should thank us... . Usually complexed people dont find answers or willingness from people to cope with them; they're indiffirent to most of the people... but you.... have us . Dont play it like you dont like it.. You love it!
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 16, 2009 23:16:05 GMT -5
I know I said I wouldnt return to this forum Lol but I'm really embarrased to share a nationelity and half an ethnicity with some Albanians... some of u r just retarted, take it from someone who is half Greek from his mother's side, Greeks love or at least respect Turks MUCH MORE than Albanians...its the same for Turks ...y love one and hate the other? dont be tools for the rest of your lives, and dont confuse politics for anthing else, u need to be liked by somenoe, the sad truth is no one likes Albanians. by the way Greeks also are welcomed in Turkey and Turks are welcomed in Greece, now lets all make assumptions on peopel and countries based on whose welcomed where. Russians have always been friendly to me so Albania and Russia must be brother countries. members like Albquietman, Donnie and my fellow Korcars u need to be more active but i can see y u r not. ;D haev a good rest of summer and dont forget to follow the herd Lmao www.youtube.com/user/TurkeyLovesGreece
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Post by ErmirI on May 16, 2009 23:42:41 GMT -5
Get a a life you freaking gay pigs, you have been spewing the same shit over and over and over ad infinitum ad absurdum for years now.
Is your life THAT miserable? Even prostitutes don't want you? I guess so...
get out of this idiotic forum and enjoy some good life has to offer
asspounded pricks that spent years talking to their neighbours and learnt absolutely nothing...that's how much your backwardness is instilled in your mentality
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Post by Kanaris on May 16, 2009 23:45:38 GMT -5
Korcar... well said.
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Post by Kanaris on May 16, 2009 23:48:18 GMT -5
Get a a life you freaking gay pigs, you have been spewing the same s**t over and over and over ad infinitum ad absurdum for years now. Is your life THAT miserable? Even prostitutes don't want you? I guess so... get out of this idiotic forum and enjoy some good life has to offer asspounded pricks that spent years talking to their neighbours and learnt absolutely nothing...that's how much your backwardness is instilled in your mentality Aren't you a tad too rough on Albanians there buddy? Relax.. not all Albs smoke the same cigarettes.
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Post by ErmirI on May 16, 2009 23:48:51 GMT -5
Donnie, AlbQuietman, Insomniac, prijes Dardanian, worldcit are intelligent people, that's why they barely come here...there's no one else from the other camps with whom to have an intelligent and healthy discussion. Currently the only non-Albanian good poster is ioan...the rest is just trash
I actually miss BibleRiot though
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Post by ErmirI on May 16, 2009 23:51:50 GMT -5
Get a a life you freaking gay pigs, you have been spewing the same s**t over and over and over ad infinitum ad absurdum for years now. Is your life THAT miserable? Even prostitutes don't want you? I guess so... get out of this idiotic forum and enjoy some good life has to offer asspounded pricks that spent years talking to their neighbours and learnt absolutely nothing...that's how much your backwardness is instilled in your mentality Aren't you a tad too rough on Albanians there buddy? Relax.. not all Albs smoke the same cigarettes. I was referring to just one Albanian in there, and even that one has turned into a Turk now teach us about Albania you poor immigrant that doesn't know even his own island, clowns are always welcome
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Post by Kanaris on May 17, 2009 0:09:08 GMT -5
Okay ask me a question... about my island?
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 17, 2009 0:19:58 GMT -5
so to wrap things up...Albania's friendship with Turkey is the same as Greece's relations with Serbia...forced and fake +1 for the 19th century and the creation of fake alliances through nation states.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 2:53:11 GMT -5
Their not fake relations. They are built off of common heritage, religion, history, partnership and respect. Albanians were members of the Ottoman Empire. We were soldiers, administrators, governors. Active citizens of the system. Go to any Albanian town or city and they will sing songs about a certain Pasha or Bey who built the famous mosque of the area and who did great deeds. Just like in, where?, Turkey and Bosnia. Where else in the Balkans are there statues of Pashas, Beys and Agas? Albania, Turkey and Bosnia. Where would else in the Balkans would you see this image in honor of the memory of an Ottoman era administrator: www.shkodraonline.com/e107_images/newspost_images/hasan_riza_pasha.jpgAlbanians, Turks and Bosnians were members and active participants of the same commonwealth. We may have had our problems and run ins, but it is part of the problematics of relationships that abound between any given people. When Mehmet Pasha Bushatliu chopped the heads of the Austrian ambassadors and sent them to Istanbul, it was a clear signal of where his allegiance was. In the end, our feeling of mutuality and ties are based off of this heritage. Same so between Greeks and Serbs. Their is based off of a common distance from the Ottoman realm, an opposed to the Islamic system. A close religious tie that was brought together as a result of the Ottoman system and a common theme of victimization, and the "heroism" it implies. It is not "forced and fake". That is what I would call EU forcing Balkans nations to agree and shake hands on issues. What is "forced and fake" is Albania's "European image" on the ground that we are so touchy and insecure about it.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 3:51:54 GMT -5
surelyyyyyy....why did Turkey get then 10 points? Did those votes come from Himarra as well? How many Greeks should have voted?...most of them came surely from....Tirana! Well, apparently you can vote 20x I bet you the average Himarjot was hitting those phone buttons like mad. The total number of votes was 36,000. It would make it feasible for the more "dedicated" part of the population to put more attention. A very unmathetical approach to disproving me. Ej Kasto? Especially when you consider that historically, Germany has been giving Turkey the most amount of points compared to any other country... I wonder why? lol!
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Post by njesh on May 17, 2009 3:58:18 GMT -5
Toskaliku,
So what do you propose, to insist furthermore on the Islamic heritage of Albania? Do you understand that Albania is a religiously heterogeneous country and that this would alienate the christians? Albania would quickly become a Lebanon.
The Socialist Party could very well be defined an Orthodox Party. Rama, Majko, Blushi ect are all Orthodox (at least partially). A good chunk of the political, economical and cultural elites have been and are Christians, always overrepresented . Do you think that they would feel comfortable in a more Islamic state? Do you take into consideration their contribution to the Albanian state? It has been quite heavy. So you see, the eurepean or christian image of Albania is less “fake and forced” than you think becouse, let’s say it frankly, the Christians have made this country.
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Post by njesh on May 17, 2009 4:12:37 GMT -5
Not to mention that Shkodra has already been center of religious strife...
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 4:22:16 GMT -5
Lebanon, at the height of its religious problems, was half Christian/half Muslim. Albania cannot become Lebanon because Albania is in a vast majority Muslim. Christians are a small portion of Albania, a minor one. Albania is overrepresented as heterogenous, and the Albanian ethnic group even more so.
I wouldnt want to be anywhere near an Islamic state, nor do I want to create the idea that I somehow support a religious society. I don't. I am an atheist, learning, living and dressing like a westerner. I support a radically secular Albania, and actually oppose the liberal religious attitude of Albania today in contrast to the communist era policy. If it were up to me the headscarf would be utterly banned and so would religion in general. Hell I even think mosques an churches should not be allowed to protrude in the sky-line with their towers and minarets.
HOWEVER! However, I accept a reality that Albanians today try and hide. Our heritage is strongly influenced by Islam and the Ottoman Empire. Very very much so. Today it is a fact that is continually frowned upon in Albania or simply ignored. In the worst cases, it is entirely falsified! This for me, as a person with an appreciation for history, pluralism and heritage, is a travesty.
And Christians have NOT made Albania. Because a few enlightened Orthodox Christian elites saw that they were raised in an Albanian group and sought kinship with their ethnic brothers rather than religious ones, does not somehow speak for the vast numbers of those impoverished and uneducated portion who did not align with Albania. Mind you that during the Russo-Turkish war, there were Albanians on both sides fighting. One side had Muslim Albs in it, another side Christian Albs... guess which had which? Hint: Its obvious. When Greek irregulars were burning villages and slaughtering Muslims, who often joined them in their attacks? Hint: my implication is obvious. Who today are known to "sell-out" more? Who are those who, when they become diaspora, more openly admit their ethnic background?
Albania was created mostly by Muslims... Bektashi Muslims. They created most of the national ideology, but what is more, they bled for Albania unlike any other. Even today, those who hold Albanianism more dear are Muslims... they are far more accepting of the religion of others. Whereas you cannot say the same for the Christian.
If the Orthodox do good, is also because of the Ottoman heritage. Albanian Muslims were mostly to be soldiers. They left their land and pretty much focused their life on fighting. In turn the Christians, who could not wield guns and fight, took care of merchantry issues.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 17, 2009 4:56:35 GMT -5
lol even if they voted over twenty times, what is actually impossible because not every call is automatically a vote and you can vote over a period of 15 minutes or sth only, it would still not be enough to reach the 12 points.
Its really funny how much this issue has unsettled you...and how distressed you are looking now for a supposed reason for this result that is compatible with your crappy tourkophilia. I believe....that you actually know nothing about your people..your knowledge does rather consist of wishful thinking that you developed because you suffer from great inferiority complexes towards Greeks..so you are playing now the whole time the turkey-card...what you dont realize is that you have turned into a ridiculous person...its only pathetic. Look only how many Albanians in here do wonder about you...its clearly more than the ones that agree with you...and the ones that agree...do it also just out of inferiority complexes and hatred towards us...means not because they really adore Turkey.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 5:05:29 GMT -5
I have no inferiority complex towards your people. I have seen plenty of Albs who do. Their thinking is very different from mine. I just simply dislike your country, and, in a rather hypocritical way since I have a number of Greek friends who do not know my political views since they have only a vague clue as to where exactly Epirus is, also the people, that is, those of you actually aware politically. You can say I hate irrationally, primitively and hypocritically, but you cannot say I harbor any inferiority issues. Im not looking for excuses, but when Germany gives Turkey more points then any other nation in the world (more so than Azerbaijan), it is suspicious.
If you think I dont know anything about my people. Im not into changing the views of others. But it seems your people constantly are.
And you need to get something over your thick head, my kinship with other, Turkophilia as you call it, has nothing to do with your people. Nothing. None. Stop telling your mind to personalize everything. Seriously, it is getting very annoying. Very annoying! My kinship is out of pure cultural-historical bonds. Your people to me are nothing more than a mere roll of the eyes at hearing you mentioned. That is it.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 5:18:52 GMT -5
I have my own views on issues and topics, and I am never afraid to speak what I believe, even if it contrary to the group. Many Albs, on the contrary, have developed a group thought mentality. Certain things will get you attacked. I have been attacked countless times by the more "patriotic" Albs who somehow feel that my certain points of view or opinions or statements, turn me into either e Shkje (Serb), mut Greku (s**tty Greek), or various other derogatory remarks of the Islamic nature (turkokal) if I make my opinion known about another issue. I consider this a result of the fact that I, admittedly, am more educated and others who are similarly so are afraid to show it.
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