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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 17, 2009 16:15:05 GMT -5
Por, une nuk do t'i quaja ata vellezer ... thjesht per faktin se ne shqiptaret s'kemi vellezer, jemi bonjake pa farefis te afert. LOL Donnie stop trying to reason, youre not supposed to be reasonable in this forum.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 17, 2009 16:22:25 GMT -5
I didnt compare Albania to Lebanon... that would mean Orthodox Christians are nearly half the country (although today the number of Christians in lebanon is pretty much at the level of Albania). In Albania, Christians were never such a substantial group, although we treat is as such. Im not speaking on behalf of anyone, just history. Also, you should follow your own rhetoric in that regard. Stop speaking for others.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 17, 2009 16:31:58 GMT -5
at least some of those "others" agree with me. wink. Like ErmirI said infinitum ad absurdum.
and stop bringing up Orthodox Christians in every topic you lame homo, were you raped by an Orthodox Priest when you were young? if so, I apologize on behalf of Orthodox Christians everywhere.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 17, 2009 20:27:19 GMT -5
Thats funny... I fail to see where Basil is irritating... he is one of the most calm,, collective and objective members here. Rarely do we get to see your funny side Canaris. You are posting in a thread that Basil has "dedicated" to Toskali regurgitating every single point he brings up in every single thread and yet you fail to see how irritating he is. Lavdi Melty!
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Post by filomen on May 18, 2009 4:31:02 GMT -5
Thanks for being sincere, and tellings the real motives why your beliefs are how they are, i.e. based on personal experience. I respect that fact that you didn't try to rationalise feelings with pseudo-logic and debates on the level of our nation's history. This is a forum of nearly-zero importance, so you don't really have to be diplomatic with your answers, nor construct perfect arguments. Prandj besoi se ti je tue prdor fejn pr te nevrkosr nje grup te vecant lexuesish (ndyshime ne shkrim thjesht qe mos te na kuptojn ca parazita). I agree with you that Albanians in Albania - those who have travelled around - like the Turks more than, say, our southern neighbours or other europeans. This obviously based on the way that they treat us when we visit their country, and for their political stance on important Albanian national issues. (sidenote to the greeks reading this: it is only for these reasons we like the turks, there's no muslim brotherhood motive, nor ottoman nostalgia, or whatever else your ego likes to insert here; if anything, there's a belief that they held us back from cultural development in the middle ages). And the above are not motives to be disregarded. I just thought that you were basing your opinions on other reasons or historical facts. The qe feja eshte nje pjese e ekuacionit qe nuk mohoet. E drejte, por jan ata qe na duan per arsye te fese, kurse ne i respektojm dhe i duam si rezultat te gjerave te lart-permendura. Lind pyetja: sikur ata te dinin se sa fetar/mysliman jemi ne, a do te na respektonin aq shume?! Dicka tjeter: une mendoj se ata kane opinion te larte per ne sepse kujtojn se kemi qene aleat "shpirteror" me ata ne kohen otomane (this is my assumption), kur e verteta eshte se te qenit mercenar ishte dicka qe perputhej me shume faktor socio-ekonomike te popullit tone. Sikur ata ta dinin qe ne s'kemi asnje nostalgji per ate perandorine e tyre, a do na donin njesoj? E dine ata qe Skenderbeu eshte nje figure kombetare qe ndoshta ngjall ndjenja me te forta se fjalet 'jezus, zote, etj' (te pakten per njerezit e shkolluar)? I was about to write down some thoughts on how european we Albanians are (apart from the geographical meaning), but I fear it would open a long debate for which I don't have time. But I am of the opinion you are rushing when you write that we are not european (in culture). Mund te jemi pak mbrapa ne organizimin politik, por kjo nuk eshte gje kur konsideron kushtet qe e kane kushtezuar kete situate - ndarje territorjale, izolim komunist i pakrahasuar, shtypje kulturore nga turqit, etj. In essence, our culture has a great amount of virtues that european writers are in love with, and of which I am personally very proud of. The KLA fought a 'cleaner' war than their adversaries. No suicide bombers like the arabs use. Religious tolerance. The Albanian government has been very fair to our neighbours (yes, it has tolerated far more than it should have to the greek demands, but what do you expect from Berisha and Nano theifs). So when you "polish off the dust" from our culture, we are more european than middle-eastern. So what if Berat has ottoman architecture, and that the albanian language has some turkish words in it?! We must prioritise when categorising our culture. Anyway, my point was that one should not rush into saying that we aren't europeans, because of religion, or whatever other reason. Even though my thoughts above weren't structured in the best possible way. Agree with y Epiroti
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Post by engers on May 18, 2009 8:54:01 GMT -5
Nuk do fjale qe me turqit gezojme nje afersi qe nuk e kemi me grekerit, shkijet, maqedonasit etj. Turqia na doli ne krah me 1997 kur Shqiperise i kanoste rreziku nga Greqia. Turqia qe nder te parat qe e njohu pavaresine e Kosoves. Per kete arsye, ata jane miq dhe aleate dhe duhet te investohet ne mirembajtjen e marredhenieve pozitive mes shteteve tona. Por, une nuk do t'i quaja ata vellezer ... thjesht per faktin se ne shqiptaret s'kemi vellezer, jemi bonjake pa farefis te afert. Dhe per shkaqe historike gjithashtu. Pastaj dua te dalloj mes turqve ... ka kategori te ndryshme. Kategoria e Erdoganit s'me pelqen, sepse tipa te tille e keshilluan qeverine e Kosoves qe te rishkruaj historine shqiptare, duke e pershkruar vershimin dhe pushtimin turk si "clirim", kur dihet se Sulltan Mehmeti II ishte kasapi i shqiptareve ne historine tone ... turqit gjithashtu kerkuan nje heshtje mbi Skenderbeun, heroin dhe simbolin tone kombetar. Gjithashtu s'kam kurrfare respekti, madje i urrej, turcelite e Kosoves qe jane verzioni turk i grekerve himariot ne jug.Turçelit e Goranët e Kosovës çka na kan bë në luftë ... dushman ! u qishin në bythë me Milloshin, 10 vjet jan qi në bythë me të ... dej ku erdhën me Milloshin, në Rambouillet, Turqeli, Goran, Maxhup etj ... qata vallahi nuk va harroj. Ama Turkin, pa tjetër që sot, e kemi mik. Por nuk duhët të harrojm se çfar kan bër ndaj Shqiptarve (masakra, nuk e kan leju mësimin e gjuhës Shqipe etj ). Goranët dhe Romët (Jo Ashkalite dhe egjiptasit) jane ende proserb dhe une ata do i kisha trajtuar ne menyre te posaqme nuk do i kisha lene te ngrejne kojken fare e posaqerisht goranet sepse ata jane ende duke mesuar ne shkollat e Gores me planprogramin e shkinise, sa i perket Romeve ata kane deshtuar sepse jane analfabet dhe i perulen atij qe eshte ne pushtet (si fryen era). Ashkalinjte dhe egjiptasit jane qytetar lojal te Kosoves mu sikur Turqit.
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Post by Kassandros on May 18, 2009 13:36:18 GMT -5
Toskali "The 400 plus posts of Basil that are always the same." ----------------------------------------------------------------- moi I never use copy paste. And in every post I have a brand new argument. If you mean the same like.. "he likes Albanians and dislike Turkalbanians"... this is about.. general ideas and beliefs and ideas/beliefs cannot be different in everypost.. Basil, you are quite possibly the most irritable member of this forum, not because of any good on your part, but because you have what I consider quite possibly the smallest mind of anyone who posts here. You cannot even conceptualize any points of views of others, your mind is sooo utterly stuck on its own ideas, that any attempt to have a discussion with you is so utterly worthless. You are simply ignorant, but what is worse, you are so convinced of your intelligence and selfrighteousness that you become even more of an idiot. Your imagination and ability see outside of your pathetic tunnel vision is sooo small it is next to impossible. In the end you come off as a pompous, annoying, irritable, self-righteous, overbearing... etc. etc. However, you are deeply convinced of yourself and are very "proud", so I dont expect this post to him home at all. It will fly over your head and you will make some dumb long reply that will say nothing once yet again. Dont bother, Ive given up reading the crap you post... ..Toskali... the way you adress to me... makes me feel you dont like me very much.... or.... we have a real love ready to explode and be revealed from you.. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kassandros on May 18, 2009 13:57:57 GMT -5
Thats funny... I fail to see where Basil is irritating... he is one of the most calm,, collective and objective members here. Rarely do we get to see your funny side Canaris. You are posting in a thread that Basil has "dedicated" to Toskali regurgitating every single point he brings up in every single thread and yet you fail to see how irritating he is. Lavdi Melty! Isnt it the reason why posts there and people with different opinion express it? At least I just disagree with every single word of Toskali... and I just write it down. I'm in a forum for God's name.. Isnt it the reasons why forums exist? Listen, Zoti, what I wrote about Toskali loves these arguments.. its valid. He loves to be different and he loves guys like me. If guys like me didnt exist... then Toskali would be very miserable. There is nothing worse for Toskali than indiffirent Greeks to his posts. In other words.. Toskali needs us and we help him this way. If that is not love and community help.. then what is it? Read about "inferiority complex" and you'll understand...
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Post by epiroti on May 18, 2009 14:47:23 GMT -5
And you Basil should read about two things: Defence Mechanisms, and Critical Thinking (in the sense of argument building).
But, as Tosku said, you'll ignore this, because you'll take it as an attack to your ego (i.e. a defence mechanism). You'll interpret it in a 'me vs you, where one of the two is wrong, and that one must feel inferior' context. And your mind will quickly get defensive once more, and babble some shit. And two key expressions that I suggested above for you to look up on the internet will never be considered by you to look up, because they were suggested by "the enemy". And you'll continue with the same Basil formula: 1) ------ quote ------ 2) [senseless babble, with some 90% combined probability of it containing words like 'hoxha propaganda, turkalbanian, tosk-dorian'. And near certainty that every sentence will end with '...'.]
And it pretty much guarantees that I'll have a good lough once again during the next break I take from my studies of semiconductor devices when I read your reply.
P.s. this wasn't intended to come across as a defense for the member 'zoti', if the order of the replies suggests it. Anyone in this subforum can "roast" you.
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Post by Kassandros on May 19, 2009 17:11:43 GMT -5
Epiroti 3 objections: First: "senseless babble" .....maybe for the ones who dont have broad mind.... Second: "Anyone in this subforum can "roast" you"..... I have broad mind and anyone is welcomed Third: "And it pretty much guarantees that I'll have a good lough once again"... I'm over here to make people happy.. Thank me for that.
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