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Post by Rhezus on Aug 28, 2009 10:37:05 GMT -5
O, stop being funny Ruse Turkmen.. RuseTürk, stop talking bulls. I am not any nationalist and not turkish one! Unlike you, I am realist. Unlike you, I do not hide and twist the bulgar origin. And I shall remind you, Bulgars were turkics, since you are embarassed + ashamed to admit the fact! Now tell me, is it just because you hate the Turks so much? Is this the reason people like you constantly trying to hide the true origin of steppe-Bulgars? Their names, titles, shatras, calendar, habbits and events all is revealing turkishness! But you still try to find other new miserable theories?! Read it again, Bulgars were turkics! Stop living in denial. ANSWERS: 1. No, ethnically most of the Bulgarians have Thracian descent. The bulgar element is insignificant, as well as the genes of the steppe-bulgars, in Bulgaria. 2. I already explained to you.. there isn't any "If some are Thracian descedants". Most of today Bulgarian citizen have Thrax blood. Of course, you can see sometimes certain Bulgarians that remind very turkic. I can give an exampls (with some photos) for you to compair. 3.&4. Don't mix the religion in your questions. I hate when somebody involve religion. But of course that is what differ some Bulgarian citizen from other Bulgarian citizen - the religion based antagonism --> muslim versus christian. Both are (christian!) Bulgarians, but don't ask me who is looking turkic here.
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Post by ioan on Aug 28, 2009 11:43:14 GMT -5
She looks Mediteranean: like the Thracians most probably looked. She has bigger chances to have "Thracian" genes She looks slavic. Who? No one is. thats turkic the Turkish people from Turkey genetically have little to do with the real turkics, the Turkish are mainly mediteraneans. the preturkish people (byzantines, mainly greeks) got turkisized I think thanks to islam.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 28, 2009 11:58:32 GMT -5
lol at she looks Mediteranean. Ioan you gotta be smoking crack. She looks almost ideally Turkic. You gotta be kidding. I don't think you'd be short on physical evidence to show that Bulgarians & hence Bulgars had a Turkic influence. I don't know why Bulgarians oppose this so much anyway. I've watched Bulgarian TV and Bulgarian girls are absolutely stunning.
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Post by ioan on Aug 28, 2009 13:09:30 GMT -5
Yes they are amazing, but we are not asian. Our dark pigmentation probably comes from the Thracians. If you think nowadays Turkish people have anything to do with the asian Turkics you obviously have never been to Turkey.
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 28, 2009 14:18:02 GMT -5
AHAHAH... So you think it was the steppe bulgars who were blue eyed and light-haired?! The known pigmentation of steppe Bulgars actually was swarty. Hey, don't forget that Thracians apparently had a reputation of being lihgt-haired, and blue or grey-eyed ppl. No Ioan, that's a central asian (mongoloid) look. Don't be foolish.
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Post by ioan on Aug 28, 2009 22:05:06 GMT -5
I know about that reputation, but the researchers and scientists think the Greeks described them green eyed/red haired in order to distinguished them from the mediteranean greeks. Xenophanes described Thracians as having blue eyes and red hair.[24] Nevertheless academic studies have concluded that Thracians had physical characteristics typical of European Mediterraneans. According to Dr. Beth Cohen, Thracians had "the same dark hair and the same facial features as the Ancient Greeks." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 29, 2009 8:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by tsompanos on Aug 29, 2009 15:05:57 GMT -5
yes rhezus paintings made in the reinessance in western europe clearly depicts how ancient thracians looked like, i hope your joking. Its funny also that if thracians where north european looking then why do you keep saying bulgarians are thracians?
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 29, 2009 16:43:56 GMT -5
^^ Beacuse Thrax are non Greek. Is that a problem for you?
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Post by rusebg on Aug 29, 2009 17:15:09 GMT -5
Rhezus, would you stop posting paintings as a sort of historic evidence? That includes postage stamps as well. Believe it or not, they are not very trustworthy.
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 29, 2009 18:08:59 GMT -5
Haha.. historic evidence. Luckily, Thracians were not known as having swarthy complexion. There are plenty of historic evidences about that. Don't be angry Ruse, but it was the steppe Bulgars who were much more darker. "Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracians have blue eyes and red hair." Xenophanes Pale skinned and red haired Thracian warriors from the Pella mosaic. And the red haired and pale skinned aristocratic Thracian woman from the Ostruha mound.
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Post by tsompanos on Aug 29, 2009 22:17:31 GMT -5
wow rhezus you truly are an idiot the first picture does not represent thracian warriors and what Xenophanes said could very well be pure bullshit as for red haired and blond people have always excisted in all over the balkans but its not as common as north europe.
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Post by ioan on Aug 30, 2009 1:31:35 GMT -5
i agree with tsompanos. I think they were mediteranean in their majority.
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 30, 2009 7:26:18 GMT -5
I don't give a flying damn to what you say Tsumpanus. I don't see you as any renown thracologists or antropologists anyway. Neither are you the highest instance that we should listen to... Thracians were described as predominantly pale-skinned and light-haired. That's more atlanto-med appearence than mediteranean or Greek looking. Greek sense of logic, go figure!
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Post by tsompanos on Aug 30, 2009 12:00:53 GMT -5
Ok proffesor rhezus expert on pseudo science
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Post by rusebg on Aug 30, 2009 12:40:03 GMT -5
Yeah? And where did you get that from? A postage stamp, your favourite source?
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 1, 2009 2:25:12 GMT -5
^^ BULGARS are TURKIC Origins " The Bulgars (also Bolgars or proto-Bulgarians) were a seminomadic people, probably of Turkic descent, originally from Central Asia, who from the 2nd century onwards dwelled in the steppes north of the Caucasus and around the banks of river Volga (then Itil).
A leading theory about the origins of the Bulgars, is that they were Turkic speaking people from Central Asia, and their language was, alongside with Khazar, Turkic Avar, Hunnic and Chuvash, a member of the Oghuric branch of the Turkic language family. It is supported, among other things, by the facts that some Bulgar words contained in the few surviving stone inscriptions, and in other documents (mainly military and hierarchical terms such as tárkan, bagátur, and probably khan and kanártikin "prince") appear to be of Turkic origin, that the Bulgars apparently used a 12-year cyclic Bulgar calendar similar to the one adopted by Turkic and Mongolian peoples from the Chinese, with names and numbers that are deciphered as Turkic, and that the Bulgars' supreme god was apparently called Tangra, a deity widely known among the Turkic peoples under names such as Tengri, Tura etc" "The name Bulgar is derived from the Turkic verb bulģa "to mix, shake, stir" and its derivative bulgak "revolt, disorder".www.reference.com/browse/wiki/BulgarsItil ( Volga ) Bulgars ... Wonder who used these kind of shatra/jurta?! Thracians or steppe-Bulgars?!
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Sept 1, 2009 7:15:01 GMT -5
Rhezus, You speak like a poet. Nice post.
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 1, 2009 7:50:58 GMT -5
rhezus...what exactly is your position on the origin of the bulgarians exactly ? I still havnt quite figured it out...
you and Jan are like the Odd Couple...
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 1, 2009 7:52:37 GMT -5
btw...thracians back then was a general term that included a huge amount of area in the balkans. Its really hard to tell when someone back then meant thracian.
We are talking anywhere from Northern Fyrom to the middle of Anatolia....
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