Who is a Turk?

[Vizier of Oz]

May 26, 2009 3:10:03 GMT -5 oszkarthehun said:

May 26, 2009 0:39:55 GMT -5 Vizier of Oz said:

He does not look Indian or Arab at all.

He has got some strong Turkic features in fact.

maybe he does and maybe their is a certain Turkic look or looks in Turkey but my point was the range of physical presentations in physical types in Turkiye is very varied and extensive. Maybe its possible to find more consistant Turkic looks/types in some of the other Turkic speaking countries like Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan.

There is certainly some Turkic type, and the photo is a good illustration of it.

Since Turkey was a multicultural empire, there is great deal of varity of racial stocks. After all, over centuries, Albanians, Bosnians, Laz, Chechen, Circassian, Rum, Armenian, Iranian peoples merged in Anatolia and Rumelia, and once known as Ottoman millet has emerged as Turkish peoples of Turkey in the 20th Century. However, the Turks after all, came down to Anatolia by following three major routes, Balkans, Caucasus and Iran.

What is hard to deny is there was large non Turkic population in the Anatolia region when Turks arrived and it seems many of those have been Turkicised and hence as I said Turkic genepool of Turkiye is very mixed.

The Turkic stock kept on arriving Anatolia over centuries. Perhaps they were minority in the beginning, but over time the composition must have changed since there was no restriction for Turkish tribes to settle in Anatolia over centuries.

In the end if people feel they are Turks or Turkic then of course they are. But if they choose to follow the ethnicity of their ancestoral heritage which may be somthing other than Turkic then its there choice also.

Turkish and Turkic are not the same. Turkish is the people of Turkey whilst Turkic is mostly a linguistic affiliation. However, a Turk as seen in the photo is usually a person who is the descendant of the Oghuz, Khazar, Bolgar and Kipchak tirbes. present representative of those are mainly the Yoruks or nomadic Turks.

Let me illustrate what I mean:

In the end its not a big deal and not exclusive toTurkey same thing happened in many countries. Ethnic purity by genetics is for most countries a probable myth.

That is right.

National identity has more to do with any individuals self ethnic consciousness and of course also the cultural and linguistic backgound they most identiy with and that identifies them.

I agree on that too.

[thracian08]

I will ignore your comments hellboy b/c Turks look in no way like Arabs.
You haven't gone or seen Turkey, what do you know?

NOTHING

[hellboy87]

Turks do look like Arabs,majority of them

Ive seen over 1000 pictures of Turks and vast majority resemble people in the Arab speaking world.

Ive even met Arab looking Turks

[thracian08]

I am a Turk and I would know better than you !

Turks are unlike Arabs or Greeks. They look completely different as you can see from the photos here.

[tsompanos]

Jun 16, 2009 12:50:26 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

I am a Turk and I would know better than you !

Turks are unlike Arabs or Greeks. They look completely different as you can see from the photos here.

yes Greeks are good looking ;D

[macmako]

So very funny. Seems that every non-Turk that has posted here are experts on who is a Turk!!!! How utterly hilarious.

Would anyone think that a Turk would be the one to know who is a Turk? Most of these "experts" here are Christians. So how could they even come close to figuring out who is a Turk if they do not practice Islam. That would help, wouldn't it?

[hellboy87]

because the non-Turks get their facts from sources that are not made up like the one Turks get from their goverment

[macmako]

So, Hellboy, to get true facts about my Greek heritage, I should find non-Greek sources. Very good, Hellboy. You are out doing yourself. Great effort.

If in fact the Turkish government is doing what you say, they are not the only ones. I would venture a guess that every government, in a way, does this.

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

Really so sites about ancient asia, nomads and paganism are all government sources. bull

Turks are not only Muslim (although I am) there are many different types of Turks, the most diluted being the Turks in Turkey.

[hellboy87]

Atan,I looked at non Turkish sources because thats what I found! Also,I did look a DNA studies of them and it agreed with it.

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

Turks are Turks n thats that...

[hellboy87]

Depending on the context.

Turkish citizens are Turks

People with ethnic Turkish ancestry are Turks

[Arxileas]

Jun 2, 2009 17:51:40 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

I will ignore your comments hellboy b/c Turks look in no way like Arabs.
You haven't gone or seen Turkey, what do you know?

NOTHING

Interesting !. Maybe if we did some researching into Turkey's recent history, we may learn something new According to the History of the Turkish language.

Atatürk's Dil Devrimi "Language Revolution" began officially in May 1928 "with the introduction of the English - style alphabet for the Turkish language" and was complete on [January 1, 1929 - the day it became illegal in the new Turkish Republic to use the centuries - old-standard Arabo Persian calligraphic - style alphabet. And on that day, the link with Turkey's Ottoman-Arabic-Asian-Islamic past was altered drastically and irrevocably, forever.

www.learningpracticalturkish.com/turkish-lang-history.html


And;

With the establishment of the republic, Atatürk made language reform an important part of the nationalist program. The goal was to produce a language that was more Turkish and less Arabic, Persian, and Islamic; one that was more modern, practical, and precise, and less difficult to learn. The republican language reform called for a drastic alteration of both the spoken and the written language. This process was to be accomplished through two basic strategies--adoption of a new alphabet and purification of the vocabulary.

Some cases an ethnic identity can be traced through language, culture etc; it appears Turks do have an Arab connection.

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[hellboy87]

^^^see what I'm talking about thracian and dy?






Thanks Arxileas

[Arxileas]

Jul 19, 2009 8:50:46 GMT -5 hellboy87 said:

Thanks Arxileas

Your welcome !

[macmako]

Hellboy and Archi knows much about being Turks. Maybe they are Turks themselves. Hmmmm.

[Vizier of Oz]

Jul 18, 2009 21:22:52 GMT -5 Arxileas said:

Jun 2, 2009 17:51:40 GMT -5 thracian08 said:

I will ignore your comments hellboy b/c Turks look in no way like Arabs.
You haven't gone or seen Turkey, what do you know?

NOTHING

Interesting !. Maybe if we did some researching into Turkey's recent history, we may learn something new According to the History of the Turkish language.

Atatürk's Dil Devrimi "Language Revolution" began officially in May 1928 "with the introduction of the English - style alphabet for the Turkish language" and was complete on [January 1, 1929 - the day it became illegal in the new Turkish Republic to use the centuries - old-standard Arabo Persian calligraphic - style alphabet. And on that day, the link with Turkey's Ottoman-Arabic-Asian-Islamic past was altered drastically and irrevocably, forever.

www.learningpracticalturkish.com/turkish-lang-history.html


And;

With the establishment of the republic, Atatürk made language reform an important part of the nationalist program. The goal was to produce a language that was more Turkish and less Arabic, Persian, and Islamic; one that was more modern, practical, and precise, and less difficult to learn. The republican language reform called for a drastic alteration of both the spoken and the written language. This process was to be accomplished through two basic strategies--adoption of a new alphabet and purification of the vocabulary.

Some cases an ethnic identity can be traced through language, culture etc; it appears Turks do have an Arab connection.

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You should do better. Such language reforms were done in Greece and Bulgaria too.

What is your point?

[Arxileas]

Some were in denial on the Arab part in Turkish history and culture, that's what my point was. I think Arabs are cool watched a dance group performing the coolest belly dances at a dinner dance function a week ago.

Maybe we did Jan, but not in order to re-construct our history and culture, we as I recall was to make it simpler for foreigners to learn as ancient Greek is hard. There is a difference you know.

[Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning]

who denied having a historical arabic alphabet connection?

[Arxileas]

Got to love their denial hellboy


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