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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 8:31:10 GMT -5
it used to be called BEZANI and BEJANI. Bej means run in old Bulgarian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2009 8:46:48 GMT -5
"to save them from serbanization probably, because then (as today in your case) there were people that were so stupid to actually equalitate 1 custom with ethnicity. Novi, claim the Kosovo gypsies too, ok?"
No idiot, to rid of the serbs.....ask protogerov!. Bulgars don't have this custom because they believed in tengrisms when they arrived in the Balkans. The kosovo gypsies also have a caste system, idiot, but the whole serbian vardarian culture is almost exactly the same as the people to the north of them.
"dont forget that the other bulgarian slavs (apart from the macedonian bulgarians) also had pagan traditions."
what, did they believe in tengri or have those ugly looking mongol huts. Thanks to your turkic bulgars, they got rid of some of the cultures of the slavs in bulgaria which was the same as serbian slavic and serbian vardarian.
"but we have very much PRECHRISTIAN tradition and actually most are Thracian (as far as I know), including: Marteniza (Thracian) - also in Romania Nestinarstvo (Dancing on fire) - also in Greece, recorded by the Greeks as a Thracian custome Kukeri-Thracian custom, recorded by the Greeks Trifon Zarezan - equals Dionisii celebration (I think even held at the same time) German - Thracian custom, again recorded by Greeks... etc..."
First day your thracian, second day your slavic and the third day your turkic asian bulgar?, make your bloody mind up will you.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 9:02:07 GMT -5
No idiot, to rid of the serbs.....ask protogerov!. I dont think so. Bulgars may be but again Bulgars do not equal Bulgarians. also this slava (svetec) looks like a tribal fest. u celebrate 1 saint who is a saint who overlooks the family. sounds too tribal to me. so? what the heck? if you mean northeast and east then yes, deffinately. there are no archeological finds of mongol huts in bulgaria, you CAUCASIAN VOLGA SERBOI boy. I doubt it was the same, maybe more developed . we are all 3 but obviously most of our prechristian customs are thracian.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2009 9:03:47 GMT -5
or I should say SERBOI wanna be. But real serbs know the truth.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 9:15:35 GMT -5
I can't stand your smattering... Firstly its not Serviana...its Serghiana(Σεργιανά) And its not near Olympia... it was near Andhravidha.... there's the original source ... el.wikisource.org/wiki/Χρονικόν_του_Μορέως ([` 339]) Olympia in the medieval times were called Antilalo( for the non Greeks it means echo) HA HA HA take some more idiot: cyprusvoice.forumup.gr/about369-cyprusvoice.htmlujdigispace.uj.ac.za:8080/dspace/bitstream/10210/2570/6/KEF%202.pdfalexandros-akestor.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html Απέμειναν όμως αμέτρητα τοπωνύμια σε όλη τη χώρα, μέχρι τη Μάνη, για να θυμίζουν το πέρασμά τους. Ένα από τα παλιότερα ονόματα της αρχαίας Ολυμπίας ήταν Σερβιανά. Αυτό είναι κάτι που δεν μας αρέσει να θυμόμαστε, φροντίσαμε δε να "τακτοποιήσουμε" σε περασμένες δεκαετίες, όταν η αναζήτηση της ελληνικότητας οδήγησε σε εκτεταμένο εξελληνισμό ονομάτων και τοπωνυμίων.
trans: But left numerous place names throughout the country, until Mani, to remind their transition. One of the oldest names in ancient Olympia was Serviana. This is not something we like to remember, We took care not to "sort out" in past decades, when the search of Hellenism led an extensive localization of names and place names. www.servou.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=322:proeleysionomatoseryo&catid=63:istoria&Itemid=119Patrine, i dont think you bear any credibility any more. IDIOT!! OLYMPIA=SERVIANA, OK??? PS Ioan, sodomized bulgarian porno-star, NO IDIOT, i dont care about ONE of your DOLENI, i only care about the NUMEROUS Doljani's, Smokovo's, Bizani's which are identical in EPIROS and KRAJINA/BiH.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 9:23:55 GMT -5
Ore minara vlaka...other thing the village Servou in Arcadia, which took it name from a guy named Jani Servo in the 15th century when is firstly recorded in a Ottoman census , and other thing the area Serghiana which we are informed only from the Chronicle of Morea, for which I gave you the link to the original.... and you quote me internent forums instead...
wtf... let me know my peloponnesian things better...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 9:36:14 GMT -5
Idiotic piece of trash, you give me a piece of text (chroniko tou moreos) which DOES NOT CONTRADICT WHAT I SAID IDIOT.. IT JUST DOES NOT REFER TO OLYMPIA. IDIOT. NEITHER DOES IT REFER TO ANTILALOS IDIOT.
YOU ARE A JOKE, stupid moron...
you give an irrelevant peice of text, which does not deal with neither antilalos, olympia, or Serviaana (AKA SERVIA) and you present that as an argyment...
fuck your albanian head, malaka ilithie
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 9:38:49 GMT -5
Ore minara vlaka...other thing the village Servou in Arcadia, Ok malaka, 10000 sorry, for not knowing that in peloponese there were waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too many SERVIA/SERVIANA.... my bad! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 3, 2009 9:42:53 GMT -5
Patrine, sorry gia tis vrisies, ktl.. alla nomizw den eisai dikaios... translation..." Patrine sorry for the insults, etc...but i don't think that you're fair"... ten minutes later...Idiotic piece of trash, ... f**k your albanian head, malaka ilithie ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dlunatic....!!!!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 9:57:13 GMT -5
Patrine, sorry gia tis vrisies, ktl.. alla nomizw den eisai dikaios... translation..." Patrine sorry for the insults, etc...but i don't think that you're fair"... ten minutes later...Idiotic piece of trash, ... f**k your albanian head, malaka ilithie ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dlunatic....!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dclueless ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D BTW, i speak nice in Greek and swear in english, in contrast to certain arvano-vlah b1tches who do the exact opposite.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 10:04:02 GMT -5
for your amusement ...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 3, 2009 10:10:36 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2009 18:43:42 GMT -5
"I dont think so."
Then read and learn:
In connection with the features making the religious and national unity of the Slavs inhabiting Southern Serbia (Vardar), mention should also be made of the celebration of the *slava*, a custom peculiar to the serbs and unknown to the Bulgars. There is abundant evidence that this custom was observed by the *entire Orthodox population of these regions*; we also know that it was regarded by the Bulgars as something completely *alien* to them. Both Ivan Jastrebov and Jovan Cvijich, two of the closest students of these regions, asserted that the Orthodox Slavs celebrated the *slava*. Furthermore, those Slavs in Macedonia who had *turned Mohammedan* and adopted the Albanian tongue long preserved their former religious customs. When the Bulgars began to spread their propaganda over Southern Serbia (Vardar), apart from destroying frescoes and books of Serbian recension, they forbade the celebration of the *slava*. (In passing, it should be noted that the Bulgars treated Greek inscriptions on frescoes in the same way as Serbian: Heinrich Gelzer has recorded that the Bulgarian exarchist bishop of Ohrid ordered the Greek inscriptions on the frescoes in the church of St. Clement to be erased, while the bishop of Bitolj destroyed a "trapazarion" and erected a school on its site). Until a few decades ago, the Bulgars, in that part of Southern Serbia, which they conquered, regarded all those who celebrated the *slava* as Serbs. Gilbert in der Maur quotes the following case: during World War 1, the Bulgarian troops under the command of first lieutenant Protogerov were ordered to inflict reprisals upon the population east of Kumanovo for an attack made on some Bulgarian troops. Before the reprisal measures were begun, the entire population declared that it was Bulgarian, purely in order to avoid being punished. Protogerov was greatly perplexed. "Then Protogerov's aides had an idea: they asked who celebrated the *slava*. Those who did were shot, since the celebration of the slava is a sign that one is a Serb: it is a custom which the Bulgars do not have."
Source:
Gilbert in der Maur, Jugoslawien einst und jetzt, Leipzig Vienna, 1936, p.330
Heinrich Geizer, Vom heiligen Berge und aus Makedonien, Leipzig, 1904, p.159
"Bulgars may be but again Bulgars do not equal Bulgarians. also this slava (svetec) looks like a tribal fest. u celebrate 1 saint who is a saint who overlooks the family. sounds too tribal to me."
You mixed with them so your bulgar turkic, bad luck.
"so?"
Because they arn't slavs Ioan, whereas vardarian serbs are.
"what the heck?"
When l tell you protogerov killed vardarian serbs for having customs alien to the Bulgars, you dismiss it, so your an idiot.
"if you mean northeast and east then yes, deffinately."
Culture is nothing similar to the Bulgars.
"there are no archeological finds of mongol huts in bulgaria, you CAUCASIAN VOLGA SERBOI boy."
Sorry buddy your the tartar not me, serboi is not turkic whereas Bulgar is.
"I doubt it was the same, maybe more developed"
lmao
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2009 1:15:59 GMT -5
novi, did we f**k all the b1tches, or is it my impression Anyways, today, no more education... we gotta work.... Novi, Ioan is not a human, so writing to him has no effect. He is a cold blooded machine, he replays himself even severely wounded. I was wrong about Ioan having emotions. Patrine, Arsenije, Ioan Adios!!! Also Novi, look how the greek propaganda has worked with teeth and nails to hide or vanish anything Serbian in Greece. This is outrageous!!!! Patrinos, renamed Serviana to Sergiana, (because there is probably another sergiana elsewhere in peloponese, hopefully not serb-related), in order to prove that Olympia was only named "Antilalos" and thus NOT SERB_RELATED!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am ashamed of his logic... Our anti-slav fear of the slavs from the byzantine times is still so bloody strong... (hence all the menace against FYROMians, notice how greeks dont concentrate on the "makedonian" part in our fight, but occasionally unleash our generic anti-slav poison) some observations only...
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Post by ioan on Dec 4, 2009 2:13:07 GMT -5
Gyrro you seem to ignore the Bulgarian slavs who have played much more important role for Byzantine empire than the Serbs who are not even your neighbours (most of the time, except when Byzantine empire was ruling fyrom). As for Novis sources: obviously there were stupid Bulgarians too: who equalitated 1 custom with an ethnicity!!! Its absurd!!! Stupidity at best. Its obvious the fyroms were Bulgarians. Heck, even the Torlaks thought their language was Bulgarian, not Serbian.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2009 2:58:06 GMT -5
Good morning Ioan!! Fact is, the big power is Serbia and Serbs, thats why greeks would love to see a Bulgarian macedonia rather than a Serbian one, thats why NATO bombed southern and bosnian serbs, and not croats-muslims-bulgarians.... just some signs man....
PS Have a good day, man.... lets start working a little bit today, and leave our trivialities aside...
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Post by ioan on Dec 4, 2009 4:33:34 GMT -5
Its not a matter what Greeks prefer, its a matter of historic facts. Most of the Greeks know fyroms were pure Bulgarians. Basil will tell u his granny called the fyromians Bulgars. Why? Athenians call Thessalonikians Bulgars, not Serbs - why? Etc. Because Greeks fear Serbs? Gimme a break!!!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2009 4:39:38 GMT -5
Its not a matter what Greeks prefer, its a matter of historic facts. Most of the Greeks know fyroms were pure Bulgarians. Basil will tell u his granny called the fyromians Bulgars. Why? Athenians call Thessalonikians Bulgars, not Serbs - why? Etc. Because Greeks fear Serbs? Gimme a break!!!! noticed how patrinos argued about "Gardikion" being proto-slav, but Serviana being not-serb? Just some signs man.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 4, 2009 5:34:52 GMT -5
Pyrrovic...do you mean that the Slavs who came and established down here, and then got hellenized from the surrounding majority, were nationally Serbs or Bulgarians?
PS. Don't you understand that Serbs laugh at you, but they are polite to show it...?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 4, 2009 5:52:45 GMT -5
1) the ones who came, where undoubtedly Serbs 2) nobody got hellenized. hellenized by who? by the ones which still live in villages like Kapesovo, Metsovo, Arahova, Serviana, Servia, Doljani, Granica, Bizani? 3) Serbs left, and i showed exactly where to. PS, How about OLYMPIA?? WAS IT SERVIANA OR NOT? i show at least 4-5 AUTHORS of books saying so, and you didn;t show anything... ANYTHING. PS2 Patrine, good day to you too. PS3 I dont care who laughs (or who cries). If anyone can refute anything they are free to do so. (i showed that i am not here to make friends)
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