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Post by oszkarthehun on Sept 19, 2009 10:15:58 GMT -5
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Post by wbb on Sept 19, 2009 12:55:12 GMT -5
Hungarians invented the runic? hmm If Hungary has survived for 1000 years and even before that, that means Hungarians are probably the blessed people from Allah, who knows. I do believe this Scythian theory and Turkic theory among hungarians, but this one is very surprising. I think Hungarians are the original Aryan race, not Germans or Indo-European garbage. Hung-arian, Magy-ar sounds bit more aryanic, check out the comment on that video. Let's retake Transylvania, Felvidek, Delvidek and Horvatorszag and Burgenland!!!! Allah is the most Greatest!!!! ;D
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Post by lvl100 on Sept 22, 2009 1:02:27 GMT -5
Due to awful English of that guy , I stopped watching somewhere at the middle of the clip, where he was talking about Hungarians living in 5000 BC in Carpathian Basin.
So probably I have missed the part where he explains how they lived there in 5000 Bc : they were the real inhabitants of Atlantis , who migrated here in 9000 BC after their island was sunken.
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Post by wbb on Sept 22, 2009 5:49:06 GMT -5
actually those people were ancient Iranians. Earliest Hungarians were Iranic before they became Turkised.
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Post by diurpaneus on Sept 22, 2009 11:41:06 GMT -5
that dude sound really alcohol intoxicated.
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Post by lvl100 on Sept 22, 2009 22:22:44 GMT -5
that dude sound really alcohol intoxicated. You can bet that he`s wasted. You would be too if you would sell your professional dignity and the chance of anyone taking you seriously for the rest of your life for a few pieces of silver.
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Post by wbb on Sept 23, 2009 7:11:36 GMT -5
Oszkar, Jobbik are also very hostile to this Finno-Ugric theory like me. And i hope Szorostalpu would give up his Pan-Slavic ideas among magyars since most magyars are Pan-Turanist. Jobbik wants the rethinking of the Finno-Ugric narrativeJobbik is calling for the rethinking of the Finno-Ugric linguistic theory based on fraudulent reasonings and politically motivated arguments. In a letter to the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Jobbik challenges members of the institution to reexamine traditionally held views on the origin of Hungarians that had been part of the national consciousness before the Finno-Ugric theory was introduced into national awareness by the Habsburgs. The Habsburgs, by all means, wanted to eradicate the commonly held view of national origin. In order to do that they commissioned foreign linguists to construct a fake narrative that was alien to the native notion of history; the goal was to break national resistance by depriving the nation of its traditional views of history that posed an obstacles to Habsburg colonization. The Finno-Ugric language theory and the fraudulent arguments about the origin of Hungarians concocted by German linguists a century ago. Before, Hungarians had an altogether different view about their own origin. They held that they were the descendants of Hun-Scythian ancestors. The story of Hun-Scythian origin has survived in oral and written forms and are supported by Greek, Arabic, Iranian and Chinese historical documents. Genetic research that has been conducted, recently, in the regions once belonged to the Soviet empire, shows that Hungarians have no genetic relationship with the Finno-Ugric people. These new findings have already reflected in the Finnish school textbooks. Finns are already distancing themselves from the Finno-Ugric fairy tale. In order to survive globalization people have to know their true history, otherwise loose their identities as the global elite has been conducting a clandestine war on national cultures. The aim is to uproot human beings from their social environments that provide protective surroundings for them. The displaced masses can be manipulated and used as mindless consumers--an ultimate goal of those who rule the world. The global landscape is already full of socially engineered human beings (“experts without spirit, sensualist without heart” --Goethe); these are the people that make up the bulk of consumer societies. They function as tools rather than spiritual beings in the hands of the global elite. What Jobbik wants is a healthy debate about all aspects of Hungarian history. It is not the intention of Jobbik to interfere with scientific research or by any means restrict scientific freedom, but rather, inspire scientists to examine the contradictions inherent in the Finno-Ugric narrative. In the spirit of this outlook, Jobbik supports the establishment of new university departments and other civic workshops devoted to the research of the history and the origin of Hungarians. It calls for the establishment of a new institution dedicated solely to the research of the ancient history of Hungarians. Jobbik also calls for the revision of textbooks of the elementary and high schools, in order to let children and young people getting acquainted with the true history of their ancestors, as early as possible. www.jobbik.com/europe-news/3100.html
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Sept 26, 2009 14:58:46 GMT -5
Torok nene, mikor mesz vissza Isztanbulba?
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Post by wbb on Sept 30, 2009 5:04:08 GMT -5
mi van te kis turkce boholc? hol voltal anni ideig? ;D Isztanbulban soha nem voltam, Budapesten 6 sor voltam. Te Hun-Skita vagy? vagy Slav?
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 7, 2009 22:38:50 GMT -5
In my oppinion the F-U theory by itself is a bit closed minded and limited in its outlook, I mean its already made up its mind, I think there is still much to consider and learn about Hungarian origin. Pan Slavic or Pan Turkic its same thing I mean you can onloy search for a truth not what you want to see, as for Hungarians in terms of physical genes they have some Slavic and some Turkic from Cuman, Khazar, Kabar and asscociated tribes, they probably dont have so much from Ottomans though, there would be more Ottoman blood in the Balkkans. By physical genetics Hungarians are a broadly mixed group, with neo danubian traits, some turanic traits and many others, the Huns and Scythes were actually to certain extent mixed groups also, only the royal scythes were said to be the pure real ones otherwise many groups were referred to as scythes, Hungarians are a mixed people and have been for very long time, as for who the very original ones who gave the language and magyar name I think this is possibly still a mystery. Oszkar, Jobbik are also very hostile to this Finno-Ugric theory like me. And i hope Szorostalpu would give up his Pan-Slavic ideas among magyars since most magyars are Pan-Turanist. Jobbik wants the rethinking of the Finno-Ugric narrativeJobbik is calling for the rethinking of the Finno-Ugric linguistic theory based on fraudulent reasonings and politically motivated arguments. In a letter to the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Jobbik challenges members of the institution to reexamine traditionally held views on the origin of Hungarians that had been part of the national consciousness before the Finno-Ugric theory was introduced into national awareness by the Habsburgs. The Habsburgs, by all means, wanted to eradicate the commonly held view of national origin. In order to do that they commissioned foreign linguists to construct a fake narrative that was alien to the native notion of history; the goal was to break national resistance by depriving the nation of its traditional views of history that posed an obstacles to Habsburg colonization. The Finno-Ugric language theory and the fraudulent arguments about the origin of Hungarians concocted by German linguists a century ago. Before, Hungarians had an altogether different view about their own origin. They held that they were the descendants of Hun-Scythian ancestors. The story of Hun-Scythian origin has survived in oral and written forms and are supported by Greek, Arabic, Iranian and Chinese historical documents. Genetic research that has been conducted, recently, in the regions once belonged to the Soviet empire, shows that Hungarians have no genetic relationship with the Finno-Ugric people. These new findings have already reflected in the Finnish school textbooks. Finns are already distancing themselves from the Finno-Ugric fairy tale. In order to survive globalization people have to know their true history, otherwise loose their identities as the global elite has been conducting a clandestine war on national cultures. The aim is to uproot human beings from their social environments that provide protective surroundings for them. The displaced masses can be manipulated and used as mindless consumers--an ultimate goal of those who rule the world. The global landscape is already full of socially engineered human beings (“experts without spirit, sensualist without heart” --Goethe); these are the people that make up the bulk of consumer societies. They function as tools rather than spiritual beings in the hands of the global elite. What Jobbik wants is a healthy debate about all aspects of Hungarian history. It is not the intention of Jobbik to interfere with scientific research or by any means restrict scientific freedom, but rather, inspire scientists to examine the contradictions inherent in the Finno-Ugric narrative. In the spirit of this outlook, Jobbik supports the establishment of new university departments and other civic workshops devoted to the research of the history and the origin of Hungarians. It calls for the establishment of a new institution dedicated solely to the research of the ancient history of Hungarians. Jobbik also calls for the revision of textbooks of the elementary and high schools, in order to let children and young people getting acquainted with the true history of their ancestors, as early as possible. www.jobbik.com/europe-news/3100.html
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 9, 2009 14:20:44 GMT -5
In my oppinion the F-U theory by itself is a bit closed minded and limited in its outlook, I mean its already made up its mind, I think there is still much to consider and learn about Hungarian origin. Agree , but a clearly political "history" its not the answer . I was reading some linguistic forums, with real specialists + hobby passionate linguists made and non-biased members ( Americans, Germans , Spanish etc , not the stupid balkanoid fighting) and they were having a field day shredding to pieces the Sumerian-Hungarian connection. Most of the theory its made by a very unscientific language comparative method. Many words deemed as Hungarian _sumerian were simply recent loan words from Greek or Latin. Others in the list didnt even exist in Sumerian. While others exists but they are read totally different so there is no way that they are a cognate. At some point , someone even compiled a list of Klingonian -Sumerian cognates to demonstrate that if you really want you can find cognates in every language ( even the made up ones) Other part its made by symbols. Like the eagle ( or turul for Hungarians) or the stag or whatever other animals , which surprise, surprise those are animals who live from North Pole to South Pole and they are common for civilizations who lived thousands of miles and years apart. Sorry if I sound too harsh, but we Romanians ditched Savescu and there is no Greater Romania Party telling Romanian Academy to search for the signs that Dacians are the forefathers of Maya and Aztec civilizations
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Post by szorostalpu1 on Oct 9, 2009 19:56:13 GMT -5
holnap megyek haza torok testverem
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Post by dezboy on Oct 10, 2009 8:22:01 GMT -5
ARCHIBALD SAYCE, Professor of Oriental Studies in Oxford, deciphered the first Sumerian one language text and gave a linguistic analysis of the language. He used comparative linguistics to study different branches of the language. In the course of his research, he examined the relationship of the languages of the entire Turanian language family with the Sumerian language. He found the closest relationship to Sumerian in the Hungarian and Basque languages. He went to Hungary to learn the Hungarian language and also found Hungarian to be the most useful language to read the Sumerian language.
ANTON DEIMEL S. J., Principal of the Institutum Biblicum in Rome and editor of the Sumerisches Lexicon stated: “I have not the slightest qualm about accepting the Hungarian-Sumerian relationship.”
KÁLMÁN GOSZTONYI, professor at the Sorbonne, Paris, published his book: Comparative Sumerian Grammar and stated that from 53 Sumerian grammatical characteristics, 51 are identical to the Hungarian.
"linguistic forums, real specialists + hobby passionate linguists made and non-biased members"
So you're trying to say these people that you're conversing with on forums have the same credentials as professors from oxford and sorbonne? and that you compare them to Napolean Savescu, whom historians have labled as nothing more than a pseudoscientist. You (roumanians) should really seek your own origins first before commenting on and ridiculing anyone elses.
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Post by diurpaneus on Oct 10, 2009 8:46:57 GMT -5
Ok. Go back to Sumer then, instead of Mongolia. Same shit to me.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 10, 2009 8:57:06 GMT -5
you (roumanians) should take a course in basic geography also
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Post by diurpaneus on Oct 10, 2009 12:53:41 GMT -5
You didn`t get the point. If you're finno-ugric and come from asia or "sumerians" of the middle east, it's the same for me. You still are not europeans. Go back to your ancient homeland (bashkiria or sumer, I really couldn't give a rats ass)
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Post by dezboy on Oct 10, 2009 13:24:37 GMT -5
Poor roumanian fellow, fortunately nobody really cares what you or your (people) think. Modern Hungarians are quite European, genetically and historically. In fact they've done more for Europe in their 1000 yrs. here on the continent than your vlach autochthon ancestors have done in their entire recorded history.
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Post by diurpaneus on Oct 10, 2009 17:43:14 GMT -5
Poor roumanian fellow, fortunately nobody really cares what you or your (people) think. Modern Hungarians are quite European, genetically and historically. In fact they've done more for Europe in their 1000 yrs. here on the continent than your vlach autochthon ancestors have done in their entire recorded history. What? You are Europeans now? I thought you were Sumerians. Make up your mind.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 12, 2009 10:12:03 GMT -5
yeah sure we will when you go back to macedonia and albania, not to mention petchenegia Ok. Go back to Sumer then, instead of Mongolia. Same s**t to me.
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Post by yeni on Oct 13, 2009 0:25:06 GMT -5
the Sumerian theory is stupid, we can be proud of our real history we don't need this unscientific bs.
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