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Post by rusebg on Feb 9, 2011 17:51:01 GMT -5
Boga mi, ne si
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Post by terroreign on Feb 9, 2011 19:39:40 GMT -5
^nice Serbian grammar
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2011 22:22:01 GMT -5
"1. He claims that the whole of Macedonia is a 100% Serbian land with no Bulgarian presence whatsoever. What we claim is that the majority of the population identified as Bulgarians, which is what almost every source supports, regardless if you like it or not. 2. Novi claims that Sofia, Plovdiv and Varna are Serbian cities. Leaving aside the absurdity of the last two, Sofia, which is closest to Serbia, has never been ruled by Serbs and no Serbian presense has been ever recorded. While on the other hand, quite a significant part of Serbia, including Belgrade, has been part of the Bulgarian state. Again, like it or not, this is proven fact. 3. Third, you and Novi very friendly address Western Bulgarians as Serbs, although there has never been any Serbian minority in Bulgaria. On the opposite side, there is a Bulgarian minority in Serbia. What do you say - who is spreading something 4000 km around somewhere? 4. You both are trying to teach us our own language despite the fact that you know 100-200 words and Pazar not more than 5. When you see me giving you lessons in the Rhodos dialect, for instance, then you can come and tell me what is what in Bulgarian."
LIAR.
I never said Varna is serbian you idiotic piece of garbage. All these sources you speak about, is from Exarchos period and later, nothing BEFORE IT. The rest of your mentally challenged garbage is not worth the time.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2011 22:31:56 GMT -5
"Novi shut up dude I did not say that. I am not excluding you for crying out loud. I am always after an objective opinion and since you simply have been unable to show some objectivity I am not going to support your constant attack on Bulgarians."
I don't need your support, l can do it on my own, these BuLgari cannot, hence why they are like savages. Arsenije, l damn know your in-contact with these BuLgari, especially Khan Ruseche. Ruseche doesn't know other than to slander and lie from his A$$.
I've already slammed these garbages with truth. Its a simple method, you cannot lose with truth ;D
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Post by srbobran on Feb 9, 2011 23:52:07 GMT -5
In contact? I don't think there's some conspiracy going on here, he simply doesn't support your views against Bulgarians.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2011 5:47:49 GMT -5
I'll say it again, look at Albanians; 3 different religions and 2 different dialect......BUT an Albanian Muslim would kill you or I if he saw his brother Albanian Orthodox in trouble. I dont think so. Here in Athens alone there must be clearly over 0.5 Million albies. I can say with certainty that they only act united for an ephemeral reason and out of personal interest. They even change their names and get Greek names in order to look "local" (smth that e.g. No Pole or Bulgarian or Ukranian in Greece ever does). Also, the majority of Albs (and i am very sorry to say Greeks as well) are so easy to lie about a job they have done, to deceive to present smth like smth else, they rarely really credit the other person as equal, they do not respect no one, and are kind only under the pressure of looking "good". I believe 90% of Albs and 50% of Greeks are like that. Truly warlike and polemic nations like the Serbs/Slavs/Gemanics/Cretans have the guts to be decent and true about reality. The others (Indians, Arabs, Pakis, Greeks (some Cretans excluded) have the tendency to be soft and easy about lying/deceiving etc... My wife thinks southern Serbs are like that as well (soft, round, short and lying), although i believe that south Serbs are more vicious and violent and warlike , and are easy as long as you keep str8, otherwise I think south Serbs have some tribal old slavic complexes making them so primitive in certain aspects. Anyways all this is coming from a greek dude i know whose wife is from Leskovac.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 10, 2011 7:09:07 GMT -5
You said it. You might not know you said it because you don't read what you post but this is not an excuse.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2011 8:55:59 GMT -5
You said it. You might not know you said it because you don't read what you post but this is not an excuse. In similar occasions we post a link to the said quote to prove our statement. Go to google, limit searches to the illyria.proboards.com domain, and there you go good luck.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 10, 2011 8:56:41 GMT -5
Yes, we say 'gledav' instead of 'gledaju'. We use what some Serbians say are archaic Serbian words with an incorrect use of Macedonian grammar. The differences in dialect from Bitola to Sar Planina are much greater than Leskovac to Banja Luka for instance. We use 'gu, ga, mu'...all torlak words just sometimes with our own slang (village speech); however, 'sakam, razibiram, deka' etc, well it doesn't get any non Serbian than that and my forefathers NEVER considered themselves Bulgarian. I just think its sad and pathetic that many Serbs out of local pride (I"m/We're the best) try so hard to discredit other Serb peoples. All because of little grammar, yet the words are 85% the same? I'll say it again, look at Albanians; 3 different religions and 2 different dialect......BUT an Albanian Muslim would kill you or I if he saw his brother Albanian Orthodox in trouble. So, based on the reactions I've recieved personally, I said well maybe I need to look further because its evident many Serbs want to keep me in the Macedonian bracket. Onda Krivo, nema potreba da vise zborim za Srpstvo i CCCC; kad vasi ili tvoji gledav samo da dvojev nas samo zasto smo od Makedonija. Verovatno toa razlog zbog nase govor i seljacko/prost misljenje...koj je dosta prekazano kroz cela bivse-Jug. Brate, ne sam ja druga klasa covek i to pored neki Srbin/Srbjanac! Ljubotan you are right man. We have too much pride and inat that we always fight amongst eachother. I doubt there are any other people that fight amongst them selves as much as we do. Look at this post I just saw from a Crnogorac... "ama sta je ovo zasto se uopste nisu pomenula srpska plemena u crnoj gori vasojevici,piva,golija,drobnjak,cuce,kuci etc....bruka i zasto stavljas glupu sumadijsku narodnu nosnju a ne crnogorsku i hercegovacku????crnogorci i hercegovci jedini od svih srba imaju cistu srpsku genetiku i porijeklo preko 25000 godina.....ovo nije ni vidjelo od srpske istroije....zasto nisi spomenuo da u centralnoj srbiji nema srba nego sve cigani....paracin..leskovac..nis hahaha!!!" It's just f**king terrible man. We have to expose this s**t though because once we do we can be like you & me and work against it.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2011 9:14:53 GMT -5
It's messed up but like it or not the kid's correct for the most part. Sumadinsko nosnje is the youngest nosnje of all our folklore.
And it's a damn shame that Serbs in the diaspora mostly represent themselves with that style, truly a misrepresentation.
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Post by rusebg on Feb 10, 2011 10:12:43 GMT -5
It was the old Illyria where Pazar spread his brilliance for two years before you appeared here as a shining star. That forum no longer exists.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 10:36:15 GMT -5
Arsenije - not surprising, just another brass comment by someone attesting to his 'cleanest Serb blood' bs. I won't argue that those regions are the original Serb lands, and lands that have grown the most Serbian Saints, Kings, warriors, thugs/criminals, Presidents, killers etc etc; however, if that mentality is kept up then Serbdom is truly confined to a country that seperated (aka Black Mountain) from the Serbian name.
What were Hercegovinans/Montenegrins prior to the arrival of Slavic tribes?...Greeks/Romans/Albanians, right? Serbia prides itself on Orthodoxy, therefore, I'd like to point out to these high flying true Serbs that Macedonians and Kosovars were Orthodox before the arrival of St Sava!
We're not going to change the mentality of any of these idiots, that's just how they're programmed in the old country and pride runs very high in those locations.
The nosnja dress is not a new thing in Serbia/Kosovo/MK/BG, on the contrary, they've been around just as long but are visably different. Our differences should be accepted and looked at as we're from one mother, just like 2 brothers coming from a single mother or 2 neighbors from the same village. Differences run high from your own sibling let alone someone from Banja Luka and Nis. The result of the Serb mentality is defined by looking at a Balkan map....split into pieces. No one else on the Balkan peninsula has a greater complex than Serbs!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2011 10:38:51 GMT -5
It was the old Illyria where Pazar spread his brilliance for two years before you appeared here as a shining star. That forum no longer exists. I was in ezboard as well (ages before you appeared) LOL!!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2011 10:41:47 GMT -5
What were Hercegovinans/Montenegrins prior to the arrival of Slavic tribes?...Greeks/Romans/Albanians, right? Bro, i dont think so. All evidence lead to think that the Slavs were here before the arrival of neo-Greeks and definitely before the Albs (who appear some time around 1000 AD) If we were here before the Slavs, then there wouldn't been so many Slavic toponyms. It seemed like those Slavs came to complete "virgin" lands.. A very weird puzzle for me...
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Post by rusebg on Feb 10, 2011 12:14:05 GMT -5
Yeah? Want to ask Admin and Kanaris?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Feb 10, 2011 13:04:47 GMT -5
^^ Who?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2011 15:14:16 GMT -5
I'll say it again, look at Albanians; 3 different religions and 2 different dialect......BUT an Albanian Muslim would kill you or I if he saw his brother Albanian Orthodox in trouble. I dont think so. Here in Athens alone there must be clearly over 0.5 Million albies. I can say with certainty that they only act united for an ephemeral reason and out of personal interest. They even change their names and get Greek names in order to look "local" (smth that e.g. No Pole or Bulgarian or Ukranian in Greece ever does). Also, the majority of Albs (and i am very sorry to say Greeks as well) are so easy to lie about a job they have done, to deceive to present smth like smth else, they rarely really credit the other person as equal, they do not respect no one, and are kind only under the pressure of looking "good". I believe 90% of Albs and 50% of Greeks are like that. Truly warlike and polemic nations like the Serbs/Slavs/Gemanics/Cretans have the guts to be decent and true about reality. The others (Indians, Arabs, Pakis, Greeks (some Cretans excluded) have the tendency to be soft and easy about lying/deceiving etc... My wife thinks southern Serbs are like that as well (soft, round, short and lying), although i believe that south Serbs are more vicious and violent and warlike , and are easy as long as you keep str8, otherwise I think south Serbs have some tribal old slavic complexes making them so primitive in certain aspects. Anyways all this is coming from a greek dude i know whose wife is from Leskovac. pyrros, Serbs are stubborn and very traditional people when compared to the rest of the Balkans, let's say for example Albanians, who if a family's daughter becomes a porn star, her parents would watch her videos.
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 15:23:49 GMT -5
i think that's a wrong assessment of Albanians. they would kill the daughter w/out a second thought, whereas Slavs would disown her and then accept her back yrs later (we're more civilized than the latter).
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2011 15:31:26 GMT -5
^You'd be surprised, Albanians are a wacko people they'd give up their traditions in a second for stupid reasons. They weren't the most converted people in the Balkans for nothing.
P.s. That story about the Albanian pornstar is true
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Post by ljubotan on Feb 10, 2011 16:02:46 GMT -5
that's sad, i have no words
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