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Post by ulf on Jan 21, 2011 13:54:01 GMT -5
I know that there was at least one purposeful settlement of about 50,000 Serbs into Macedonia during Yugoslavia. I believe only 30,000 remained settled in Macedonia permanently and the other 20,000 returned back to Serbia later on No |
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Post by ivo on Jan 21, 2011 16:16:00 GMT -5
Ulf, why the harsh 'No' bro? I thought we waz cool man. I couldn't find that source, but I found another.. anyway I posted it in a another thread.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 21, 2011 16:33:35 GMT -5
Ulf, I like your signature  |
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Post by ivo on Jan 21, 2011 16:41:28 GMT -5
Ruse, I like your signature.  |
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Post by ulf on Jan 21, 2011 17:16:30 GMT -5
Ulf, why the harsh 'No' bro? I thought we waz cool man. I couldn't find that source, but I found another.. anyway I posted it in a another thread. We are, but the part you dropped was not true. No sources can be reliable when you have 1st hand informations |
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Post by ulf on Jan 21, 2011 17:29:19 GMT -5
Ulf, I like your signature "Bog s nami" or "100% Slavic" one? |
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Post by Nikola on Jan 21, 2011 17:36:02 GMT -5
Nikola, learn your damn history already bro. Pick up some neutral books and read, the information is all there. First of all, Serbia did indeed try to make Macedono-Bulgarians into Serbs, these campaigns started from the late 1800’s and continued to about 1912. Some Macedono-Bulgarians succumbed to the pressure, however, on a large scale.. as a whole, the campaigns were a failure as people didn’t want to be Serbs. When Yugoslavia came around, these same assimilation type campaigns were still there except their main focus was de-Bulgarization of Macedonia and the creation of a new “Macedonian” ethnic group. Seriously though, you should probably read up on your own people because it really seems you’re at loss when it comes to your own history and background. Despite your vast knowledge on this and every other subject in existence (gathered from hundreds of books, wow!), you still haven't actually answered my questions. Now go away, you sound like a complete fool. |
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Post by ivo on Jan 21, 2011 19:50:52 GMT -5
Aww thanks bro! You're over-flattering me though.. my knowledge is only "vast" as you put it, with regards to history, primarily South-Eastern European history. With regards to other subjects, I'm pretty average. Awwwwww here you go again.. thanks again bro, but this is too much. It has definitely not been hundreds of books, just more than you. |
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Post by terroreign on Jan 21, 2011 20:13:02 GMT -5
I can feel the bulgar-Macedonian brotherly love  |
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Post by ivo on Jan 21, 2011 21:09:01 GMT -5
Nikola has indirectly identified himself as a Serb, or at least he claimed that he's "the same as whatever Serbs are". He may as well be one of those Serbs from the Serb minority in Macedonia, who knows. And I wouldn't have any problem with that, but his views are ultimately anti-Bulgarian.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 21, 2011 22:29:31 GMT -5
^Where did he ever say this?
And how do you identify the "Serb minority" in Macedonia?
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Post by Nikola on Jan 21, 2011 23:25:45 GMT -5
^Where did he ever say this? I once said that I was racially closer to whatever Serbs and Croats are, rather than whatever Greeks are. I identify as a jugo (south) Slav but, I do not identify the rest of my countrymen as the same. I never claimed that I was a Serb. Asen is deliberately lying by only quoting that part of my statement. Which shows you the type of person he is and why all his arguments are drivel and should be ignored. |
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Post by ivo on Jan 21, 2011 23:27:38 GMT -5
I believe his exact words were "I'm whatever Serbs and Croats are". Considering his views.. to me, that sounds like an indirect self identification of being Serb.
If you identify as a Serb, you are a Serb. If you identify as a Bulgarian, you're Bulgarian. If you identify as Macedonian, you're Macedonian.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 21, 2011 23:32:22 GMT -5
If you identify as a Serb, you are a Serb. If you identify as a Bulgarian, you're Bulgarian. If you identify as Macedonian, you're Macedonian.
No. I'm asking how do you yourself, identify who is a Serb in Macedonia?
Btw you're changing up your stance. Before it was that Macedonians are Bulgarians/Bulgarian origins, and now it's they are whatever they want to be.
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Post by ivo on Jan 22, 2011 0:15:19 GMT -5
Bro, don't be stupid. If you're gonna try to call me out, at least get your facts straight.
Macedonians are of Bulgarian origin, according to world opinion.. that just so happens to be the opinion of Bulgarians as well (these views were also shared by Serbs at various points throughout history). Macedonians have ethnically identified as Bulgarians up until about 50-60 years ago. Today, for the most part, they identify as Macedonians and you are what you identify as.
The ethnic identity of being Macedonian was created artificially. Originally, being Macedonian was only a regional identity; however, with Tito's policies and several other factors, the regional identify of being Macedonian gradually became an ethnic identity.
So to put this in the simplest terms as possible for you, a short while back, Macedonians were Bulgarians because that's how they identified ethnically. This was the case for centuries. Today, they identify as ethnic Macedonians. Hence, they are Macedonians.
My 'stance' has not changed.
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Post by ivo on Jan 22, 2011 0:17:12 GMT -5
Though, weren't you a Montenegrin yesterday? And, what is it now, today you're a Serb?
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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2011 1:04:33 GMT -5
Bro, don't be stupid. If you're gonna try to call me out, at least get your facts straight. Macedonians are of Bulgarian origin, according to world opinion.. that just so happens to be the opinion of Bulgarians as well (these views were also shared by Serbs at various points throughout history). Macedonians have ethnically identified as Bulgarians up until about 50-60 years ago. Today, for the most part, they identify as Macedonians and you are what you identify as. The ethnic identity of being Macedonian was created artificially. Originally, being Macedonian was only a regional identity; however, with Tito's policies and several other factors, the regional identify of being Macedonian gradually became an ethnic identity. So to put this in the simplest terms as possible for you, a short while back, Macedonians were Bulgarians because that's how they identified ethnically. This was the case for centuries. Today, they identify as ethnic Macedonians. Hence, they are Macedonians. My 'stance' has not changed. Bulgaria does not recognize Macedonians as an ethnic group, and I said you thought of them as having Bulgarian origins did I not? Americans aren't an ethnic group, they're of various ethnic origins. South Africans aren't an ethnic group either, so how could you consider Macedonians an ethnic group if we use logical deduction. And you failed to answer my first question. If a Macedonian from FYROM one day researched enough and started calling himself a Bulgarian, would you ridicule him? |
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Post by ivo on Jan 22, 2011 2:13:44 GMT -5
Kriv, it seems you're still going through some sort of an identity crisis. The logic you're trying to apply here sounds really silly bro.
And yes, Americans are an ethnic group. They've been an ethnic for quite a while. Macedonians only became a separate ethnic group as of 1945 onward.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 22, 2011 4:04:25 GMT -5
Now go away, you sound like a complete fool. Sometimes i think Aziz is here only to serve that purpose. Create random tensions among anybody. |
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 22, 2011 4:07:14 GMT -5
If you identify as a Serb, you are a Serb. If you identify as a Bulgarian, you're Bulgarian. If you identify as Macedonian, you're Macedonian. Macedonians are of Bulgarian origin, according to world opinion. So we have two by default conflicting definitions of identification right? One which relies to the what one thinks of himself and the other on what a supposed majority of supposed educated supposed scholars supposedly believe.... Aziz, you could break your own record in self cancelation with the minimal sentences. LOL!! |
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