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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:21:42 GMT -5
"And what is humanism? Look at WWI and WWII... That is human action. Look at the collapse of Yugoslavia... that is humanism." - Toskali
You are wrong. hummanism is a completly different concept than what you think. What happened in WWI and WWII was based on wars between identities. What happened in Yugoslavia was a destruction of a "new" identity.
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 12, 2011 22:23:08 GMT -5
How am I wrong? What is humanism?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 22:23:29 GMT -5
If nihilism is real...then nihilism is disproven.
Boiling turkish coffee right now....bunnies for dessert
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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:25:19 GMT -5
Should we make a new thread ?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 12, 2011 22:26:11 GMT -5
Religion isnt just consumption. It has various other benefits. To use Christian practices since I don't know most others, to partake in the sacraments has numerous values. From the historical connection, to the communal, to the spiritual.
We have nothing of the such today, nothing that connects us in such a deep way. We hold nothing to be sacred and if you don't think that is terrifying, then I think you havn't look deep enough at the meaning of such things. The Communists understood religion in a terribly wrong way. It has a very special role in human life in the idea that there is something.
Im not saying it's good or bad. Personally, if I could believe in god, I would... but I can't. He is dead to me and will probably remain so forever. I cannot fool myself there and wont. Religion as we know it today and the word faith are clearly related to our illogical side or emotions. Faith can not be questioned and it can not be explained and therefore you have to feel a certain way in order to embrace it. Religions are there to keep us emotional enough to remain manipulated since it is either reason or emotions that prevail in any given person at any given moment and not both. God is a non issue to me since I can not imagine acquiring intellectual capacity to understand anything that complex while I will certainly not use something voice of logic (emotions) to 'grasp' it (via so called faith). * emotion driven.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:28:29 GMT -5
I have defined humanism in a new thread, in case some are confused to what it is.
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Post by laughingriever on Feb 12, 2011 22:31:20 GMT -5
To Aadmin and his logic-driven mind: I give you Objectivism!
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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:31:42 GMT -5
^ LOL
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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:36:35 GMT -5
The main point is; We dont have a generic purpose. We create our own purposes keeping in mind the world around us.
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 12, 2011 22:37:42 GMT -5
To Aadmin and his logic-driven mind: I give you Objectivism! I say Fuk to Ayn Rand... You should look into the book "A History of Fundamentalism". It explains the issue of faith in a way that I don't have the experience to. You should try to understand what figurative language is... it will help in stopping this nonsensical interpretation of my posts.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 12, 2011 22:40:44 GMT -5
Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice. -Ayn Rand
One of my favorite quotes. ( i am not really a fan of her tho).
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 22:48:14 GMT -5
To overcomplicate the uncomplicated....a distinguishing human tendency
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 12, 2011 23:54:02 GMT -5
The reason Toskali is so frustrated by Why is mainly because he knows that if he carried his own logic/beliefs/philosophy through to it's ends he would in fact be something very much like Why.
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 13, 2011 0:06:33 GMT -5
What is my logic?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 13, 2011 0:13:38 GMT -5
Well logic/philosophy/beliefs/values... you have a strong sense of nihilism your self going on for one thing. Nihilism is very much a logical deduction from atheism.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 13, 2011 1:27:31 GMT -5
Does nihilism reject all theories of "ways of life" ?.
It obviously rejects religions.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 13, 2011 11:54:19 GMT -5
To Aadmin and his logic-driven mind: I give you Objectivism! I say Fuk to Ayn Rand...
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 13, 2011 12:00:04 GMT -5
back to the topic:
Do we have a purpose? Well,I think no,we don't have a purpose.The only purpose is to keep ourselfves alive and well if we choose to live.That's all.
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Why?
Membrum
I dunno!
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Post by Why? on Feb 13, 2011 12:06:47 GMT -5
@odel en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkali#HistoryHistory The Ashkali insist that they came from Persia via Ashkelon in the 4th century AD [1]. The Balkan Egyptians say that they originated from Egypt in ancient times.[3] ToskalikuThanks, Nihilism seems not bad. @kriv Spasse was Slav, Migjeni was Albanian.
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Post by la3ar on Feb 13, 2011 13:20:19 GMT -5
back to the topic: Do we have a purpose? Well,I think no,we don't have a purpose.The only purpose is to keep ourselfves alive and well if we choose to live.That's all. I would like to think that our duty as existing beings is to find our individual purpose. Obviously this is something that cannot be just handed to anyone. Existence precedes essence. Have you head this term?
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