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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 13, 2011 20:28:57 GMT -5
No war crimes commited? Dude I'm really trying to give you a chance here. There's evidence of crimes against innocent children. You know this but you don't care. It's all about having control of a people as you see as inferior and the land that you shat on while you had it. I think atdhetar has the right mentality when it comes to dealing with the serbs on here. These war crimes which you refuse to acknowledge are not some orthodox fairytales, they f**king happened. Using the same ^ logic, when will you aknowlege the crimes commited against Serbs? War in itself is unethical. I've stated both sides having blood on their hands. The serbs wrongdoings are disproportionate to that of the Albanians. Plain and simple. This goes long before 1999. Look up Vaso Cubrilovic and the expulsion of the Albanians. Independence was the only viable option for the Kosovars. Like I've said before, if Serbia played nice with the Albanians you would still have your holy land to shit on.
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Post by uz on Nov 13, 2011 20:43:33 GMT -5
Serbs played too nice with the Albanians, which is why we're in the situation we're in now. Milosevic took your autonomy away when it was made public how the Alb politicians mis-used STATE funds, and power while smuggling in weapons and people from Albania. No country in Europe would tolerate that, so why should Serbia?
Again this discussion is all over the place. ICJ/Racak-hoax/false-genocidal claims... pick one.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 13, 2011 20:52:10 GMT -5
Haha played too nice. And Kosova misusing Yugoslav funds? Haha. I remember my dad saying in serbian all the time...Trepça works Belgrade booms. Maybe you know the saying?
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Post by uz on Nov 13, 2011 21:27:17 GMT -5
Haha played too nice. And Kosova misusing Yugoslav funds? Haha. I remember my dad saying in serbian all the time...Trepça works Belgrade booms. Maybe you know the saying? The alleged "unilateral" revocation of Kosovo’s autonomy by Milosevic in 1989 simply didn’t happen as advertised. This claim reminds us of the obnoxious statement made by Goebbels in 1939, "Tell a lie a hundred times and it become the truth." In 1988 the Yugoslav constitution was amended to eliminate the political paralysis in Serbia because autonomous provinces such as Kosovo and Vojvodina were able to veto acts of the Serbian parliament. This would be like the Senate approving legislation and allowing two of our largest states veto power. The constitutional change gave these provinces the right to give their opinions, and if they are rejected, a six-month waiting period ensues. If at the end of that time their opinions are still rejected, the provincial assemblies may force a referendum. Vojvodina gave her consent for this constitutional change in February 1989 and Kosovo gave its consent in March. Therefore, this pretext that something was unilaterally taken away fro! m Kosovo Albanians is pure Albright and Clinton double-speak.
- By William Dorich Presented before the World Affairs Council of Orange County February 16, 1999It must be stressed that the broad autonomy granted to the provinces of Kosovo and Vojvodina were the act of the communist government of Yugoslavia in 1974. That was the year a new constitution was promulgated, with the goals of fulfilling Tito’s recipe, "A weak Serbia for a strong Yugoslavia". Among other things, that constitution gave both provinces the right to a complete veto in parliament, effectively making them unofficial republics in their own right. It also guaranteed the right for ethnic and national minorities to broad cultural autonomy. Extensive Albanian language media, judiciary, educational and state institutions were established. This right to cultural autonomy was retained even after 1989, when all six republics and both provinces reached consensus on amending the constitution. This was done in order to avoid further paralysis of legislature by the provincial veto rights. Referendam held in February (Vojvodina) and March (Kosovo) of that year accepted the amendments. The consensual nature of this act must be stressed, especially in light of US portrayals of this event as having being made unilaterally by the Yugoslav leadership alone.So are we Yugoslavia or Serbia? Funny how you guys change stances depending on the proposition. lol Again, Kosovo being under the Serbian government had to oblige. How would it makes sense that a province can veto Serbian government acts? No nation has this. Especially during a time when Albanians were showing hostility towards Serbs. The weapons/people smuggling across the border was the last nail in the coffin to seal that deal. Funny enough many Albanians admit the smuggling part. lol So what's the problem? You guys jump back and forth when debating this. Either way it is clear that the conflict was an internal-matter and there was no justification for intervention. ----------- International law, the UN Charter, Helsinki Treaty and the convention creating the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) are all clear: minorities have civil rights, but borders may not be changed by violence. These laws prevented the creation of a "Greater Serbia" or "greater Croatia" carved out of Bosnia and now obstruct creation of a "greater Albania." Under the Yugoslav Constitution Albanian citizens in Kosovo have individual rights, but they do not have a right to arbitrarily take control of the ancient Serb province of Kosovo & Metohija and unilaterally declare independence.Serb refugees, ethnically cleansed from the Drenica district in 1941-42, were never allowed by Marshal Tito, to reclaim their property after the war, as part of his multi-ethnic design for a federative republicInstead, he encouraged more Albanians into the province and began subsidizing these people as an ethnic group. The situation soured from the mid-1960s as the Albanian population reached 75%. At that time, Tito instituted a national payroll tax of 1% to subsidize development of Kosovo, but this soon turned into a welfare subsidy. Serbs in Kosovo at the time were required (and still are) to study Albanian language from 7th to 12th Grade.(so wtf were you complianing about?) For good reasons, the KLA is an internationally recognized terrorist group and was listed as such by our own State Department when paramilitary operations began against them on March 1st as a result of their rising level of terrorism against Serb police and against Albanian loyalists, including several postmen and a forest ranger. The KLA is also associated with a major drug smuggling ring that runs from Turkey into Europe via the Balkans. To date, the KLA appears to have killed more Albanians than Serb police or soldiers.From the early 1980s, the Rugova-led Albanian party began to pressure for greater autonomy and began refusing to speak Serb; they began openly discriminating against the Serb natives of the province, hoping to drive the Serbs out and take over their property at rock-bottom prices. Student demonstrations initiated in 1980 became an "Intifada" after the Palestinians popularized the term. Finally, the Albanians walked out of their own schools and began a labor strike against all their own government jobs, when Milosevic terminated the national payroll tax subsidy and their autonomous status in 1989. What happened here is analogous to French-Canadians moving into New Hampshire and imposing French-only language laws while demanding autonomy, or Mexicans concentrating in New Mexico and seceding from the Union, while oppressing Gringos and the Navajo, Apache and Pueblo tribes. It is this naked attempt at a land grab that precipitated the crisis leading secession of Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia, as wellwww.hackworth.com/Kosova.htmlYou guys aren't a special case.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 14, 2011 0:18:38 GMT -5
^What were we complaining about? Comparing the US with any country in the balkans? The Albanians didn't have to drive serbs out. They saw on their own that Kosovë wasn't that holy. The Albanians wanted to rule themselves, it's really quite simple. Autonomy in our land?...thanks but no thanks. Ethnic shifting has happened in the region for centuries. If you want to go that route, go check out present day Iran. Have you ever checked out the Cubrilovic doctrine? We pesky Albanians just keep surviving and multiplying. Your policies have failed and ours to this point have succeeded.
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Post by uz on Nov 14, 2011 0:27:51 GMT -5
For the most part Albanians were ruling themselves, they were using their influence to discriminate against Serbs and other non-Albanians. The policies the Alb-regime had/has towards Serbs is very clear and stated throughout this thread. The KLA (a f**king terrorist organization) was waging war against the Serbian populus in Kosovo, Milosevic made the right call here, to send the Serbian military.
US/NATO did not just come in b/c of that, b/c they even know Serbian military had that right. It wasn't till false claims of massacres/genocides made it to the news, by false witness' and blatant lies that gave them the excuse to enter.
You guys are Albanian not Kosovars. You are a "large" minority in Serbia. There is no "Kosovar" people, and remember that the "kosovar-term" was mostly being used in the media. You were imposing a foreign character to a foreign land and tried to force the native people to "adapt".
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Post by derk on Nov 14, 2011 5:06:02 GMT -5
If they were albanians and not kosovars, then krivo will bit*h slap you since there should be no montenegrins, only serbians using your logic.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Nov 14, 2011 22:24:21 GMT -5
For the most part Albanians were ruling themselves, they were using their influence to discriminate against Serbs and other non-Albanians. The policies the Alb-regime had/has towards Serbs is very clear and stated throughout this thread. The KLA (a f**king terrorist organization) was waging war against the Serbian populus in Kosovo, Milosevic made the right call here, to send the Serbian military. US/NATO did not just come in b/c of that, b/c they even know Serbian military had that right. It wasn't till false claims of massacres/genocides made it to the news, by false witness' and blatant lies that gave them the excuse to enter. You guys are Albanian not Kosovars. You are a "large" minority in Serbia. There is no "Kosovar" people, and remember that the "kosovar-term" was mostly being used in the media. You were imposing a foreign character to a foreign land and tried to force the native people to "adapt". Bla bla bla morons like you is the reason why Serbia is in such sharp decline.
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Post by uz on Nov 14, 2011 22:25:25 GMT -5
^ nice comeback... again... zero-substance... with no leg to stand on.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 14, 2011 22:53:20 GMT -5
^What leg are you standing on? Autonomy does not equal the Albanians ruling themselves. I think its redneck cetniks that care about Kosovë. The politicians and intellects just want Trepça hence what is going on in the north today.
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Post by uz on Nov 14, 2011 22:57:29 GMT -5
^What leg are you standing on? Autonomy does not equal the Albanians ruling themselves. I think its redneck cetniks that care about Kosovë. The politicians and intellects just want Trepça hence what is going on in the north today. The autonomy you guys had was pretty much equal to running yourselves. Also, remember that Kosovo accepted the ammendments. Like I said, the power was used against the Serbs and other non-Albanian people.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 14, 2011 23:25:18 GMT -5
Autonomy was given to keep them quiet. You ask most Albanians if they ever dreamt of an independent Kosova 30 years ago, considering the strength of serbia then, they will tell you no way. They took what was best for them at the time. As we saw the destruction of Yugoslavia and weakening of serbia, well it was time. If tito was like milo there would have been a lot of blood spilled. So throw the Albanians some stale bread to keep them calm. Tito was a brilliant politician. I personally wouldn't mind pissing on his grave though. He had a lot of Albanians fooled.
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Post by uz on Nov 15, 2011 0:01:57 GMT -5
You saw the destruction of Yugoslavia, started thinking Serbia isn't worth it anymore and decide for independence? There's zero legitimacy here. What right did the Albanians have to decide the fate of their host-country? Immigrants normally go back home when things don't work-out in another country. The KLA and their supporters were a terrible representation for the Albanians in Kosovo, you have to admit this. No one expected Milosevic to deal with them nicely, especially while being classified as a terrorist organization.
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Post by Shqipni13 on Nov 15, 2011 0:17:59 GMT -5
Why would the the Albanians leave their homeland? It depends who on the KLA. Some were for themselves no doubt about it. Some were heroes who wanted nothing but freedom for their people (Adem Jashari). Back to the beginning, its not about serbia not being worth it. The Albanians had no other choice at that time. Go to Kosovë once and you will see whats up. Things weren't all that peachy. I think you are misconstruing my words on purpose. Anyways I apologize for being all over the place I'm sort of busy.
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Post by Balkaneros on Apr 3, 2013 14:20:05 GMT -5
Epic thread re-visited. albie meltdown central.
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Post by rex362 on Jul 28, 2013 19:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by Balkaneros on Aug 19, 2013 19:47:27 GMT -5
^^^
Kosovo is a province of Serbia in the Balkans. It has been part of the lands of Praevalis (Prevalitana) in Roman, Byzantine, Bulgarian, Serbian and Ottoman empire, then the Kingdom of Serbia, Italian Empire and Yugoslavia in the 20th century. Following the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia the territory came under the interim administration of the United Nations (UNMIK).
Also as with some other new globalist creations, in the newest Kosovo, the earlier history was now re-designed (or even falsified) in back up to antiquity, to support backwards and artificial legacy for these new creations.
So in this newest pseudo-history, Kosovo is wrongly declared as a continuation of ancient Dardania with the classical Dardani people as the ancestors of the recent Albanian Kossovari. However, true Dardani were in the actual central and southeastern Serbia (medieval Rashka) with its maior Dardanian city Naissus (= now Nish) out of Kosovo. This real Dardania was the soutwestern part of the Roman province Moesia.
On the other hand, actual Kosovo in antiquity was the other Roman governorate Praevalis (or Prevalitana), being the eastern part of Roman provincia Dalmatia Superior (now Montenegro + Kosovo). The ancient administrative center of Roman Prevalitana was justly Metohija, and then there was also the subsequent seat of Christian episcopate. The true prehistoric and classical tribes living in antiquity on actual Kosovo territory really were: Scirtones, Chelidones, Galabrii, and Thunatae.
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Post by Balkaneros on Sept 24, 2013 23:01:24 GMT -5
A nation violated at the heart of the Western world, Deserves to be supported by the National Youth That's why we flew in Yugoslav land Meanwhile, Paris is drowning in the spiral of lies while NATO dictates its law, propaganda floods you Meanwhile Belgrade is destroyed by bombs and flames They are not soldiers they slay, but children and women
U.S. Go home
this is what they chanted on bridges From Belgrade to Novi Sad, the Serbian people were at the forefront
NATO Go home
this is what they screamed on bridges This is in solidarity with their suffering its for them we sing
Once there, the welcome is very warm, People of dreams show us places Suddenly the cry of sirens reasoning at the heart of the city The climate is heavy, fear can be read on the eyes Eyes up to the sky in charge of despair Belgrade resigned is immersed, drowned in the dark Blind terrorism strikes at random neighborhoods
U.S. Go home this is what they chanted on bridges From Belgrade to Novi Sad, the Serbian people were at the forefront
NATO Go home
this is what they screamed on bridges It is in solidarity in their suffering, its for them we sing
Then comes the time of the concert on the main square in Belgrade It is time for us to encourage our friends our way What we were proud to wave in front of them the Yugoslav flag The night is a bridge that continues our musical battle The NATO planes began their sad carnival What will they hit this time a school, a hospital? In Paris everyone who cares, it's collateral damage
And you during that time, what did you do in France You who reveled to remain in ignorance Today, Serbia, tomorrow Seine Saint Denis A flag with a crescent float in Paris
NATO Go home
this is what they screamed on bridges It is in solidarity in their suffering, its for them we sing
NATO Go home
this is what they screamed on bridges It is in solidarity in their suffering, its for them we sing
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