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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 9, 2012 14:02:44 GMT -5
Just like the Ghegs who immigrated to Kosovo.
But that's another conversation and lol we don't want to get into that again wooooooooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooo!!!!
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Post by missanthropology58 on Jan 9, 2012 14:06:10 GMT -5
Shut your twat and stay out of it, Missy. Come on dear, for once I am being polite.
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Post by robertpaulson on Jan 9, 2012 14:12:45 GMT -5
You have used up all the goodwill here. Your show of being 'polite, for once' is an empty gesture, saying nothing and meaning nothing.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 15:54:24 GMT -5
haha aren't you tired of getting embarrassed repeatedly mike? just let it go Why am i getting embarrassed? In front of who You? You have nothing of value to add except make explicit and vile comments ... Who is going to embarrass me with what? You want to talk about the shitty economy of Greece... there I can't comment... but still I wouldn't let someone from a shittier economy tell me about Greece. I have just started..for every page you find there are hundreds out there to disprove what you guys state. I go on American forums ... I can't argue with them when they tell me what socialism has done to Greece.. but to let an Albanian lecture me on economy of Greece or history is a joke...
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 16:31:33 GMT -5
Welcome home my people..... This is from the book 'blood and oranges' by Christopher M. Lawrence.. I know Rex is going to try to put a spin on it... but his world as he knows will eventually collapse around him.... I always maintained that Arvanites were Greeks living amongs the albanian populations back then...who somehow lost their identities.. when the call came they stood up like proud ancient warriors..Being hidden among the Albanian kept them more pure.. until the time came for them to fight. all I could spin is this ....from same author and same book "The notion of a ´Greek´ identity in the modern sense is itself in large part the creation of the movement towards statehood. It was not until the nineteenth century that the term came to describe a homogenous ethnic group in the modern sense. Instead, the people of the Peloponnesos, including Argolida, made up an intricate mosaic of ethnicities and languages. In Argolida dialects of Albanian, Greek, Turkish and other local languages were spoken (Andromedas 1976)." ("Blood and Oranges Immigrant Labour and European Markets in Rural Greece", by Christopher M. Lawrence, page 12)Read more: illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=hellasgreece&thread=34960&page=1#ixzz1izzz6SGh
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 16:55:54 GMT -5
Why am i getting embarrassed? In front of who You? You have nothing of value to add except make explicit and vile comments ... Who is going to embarrass me with what? You want to talk about the s**tty economy of Greece... there I can't comment... but still I wouldn't let someone from a s**ttier economy tell me about Greece. I have just started..for every page you find there are hundreds out there to disprove what you guys state. I go on American forums ... I can't argue with them when they tell me what socialism has done to Greece.. but to let an Albanian lecture me on economy of Greece or history is a joke... so your reasoning is that, if someone is poorer and less privileged than you then he is always wrong?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 16:58:06 GMT -5
mike, you need to increase the dosage of that medicine my moose humping gjiton, you're losing the plot recently and its amusing watching you slide into senility one day at a time.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 17:33:56 GMT -5
Keep taking them cheap shots... thats all you good for. Don't cry later.
I never initiated personal attacks on you..but you can't help yourself because thats what you do.. you try a bit to be civil then you slide back ...
This has nothing to do with you being an albanian... I know more than a few... your're just a bad character..
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 17:42:56 GMT -5
mike, i would never say smth like the following 'i know i am right because i am albanian, my country is richer than yours therefore i look down on all greeks and we are right because there are hundreds of thousands of immigrants that do mundane jobs in my country, thus its irrelevant how intelligent and academically accomplished you are, its not important whether you are right or not because there is no way someone who i view as being inferior can or has the right to be right'
i would rather call someone an arsehole than say smth like that, you should be ashamed and grateful i took that so casually because you deserved a far worse response, talk about a bad character.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 17:51:57 GMT -5
Mario, we came this far... I post links we are trying to have a discussion here but you always resort to cheap shots... and they seem to come out of no where... just as I start to like you ,you managed to pull a knife... I don't know how to handle you anymore... you are too volatile my friend.
Stay cool...
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 17:56:08 GMT -5
lol, ok mike, i'm the one losing my cool, i'm sorry if you felt insulted but recently you have been hijacking every thread filling it up with derogatory comments and diverting the thread to your newfound fascination with proving arvanites are ancient greeks.
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Post by rex362 on Jan 9, 2012 18:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 19:00:34 GMT -5
You guys are so sensitive that if a greek points out the Greek writing on an old albanian church you start jumping up and down..
If you think you were all Greeks... and now your're albanians... whats the problem?Sorry I can't change you back... but don't insult us for being Greek.
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Post by Hellenas on Jan 9, 2012 20:49:41 GMT -5
The Arvanites were albanized Greeks with a small admixture of Tosk. Arvanites came from the Greek lands of Arvana in albanized Greek North Epiros. Most of Arvanites after the Greek revolution went in Calabria & Sicily along with Greek Maniates, so not much Arvanites remained in Greece. Also there is a misunderstanding with the Arvanites, many Greeks during the Turkish occupation "played" the Arvanites so to avoid the persecution of the Turks(the masters of the Turkalbans), so you have Greeks speaking "Arvanite" and dressing like Arvanites even if they were 100% Greeks. Many Greek Peloponnesians also spoke Arvanite so to speak with the Arvanites and some Athenian traditional garments(like the white shirt) confused with the Arvanite shirts by non-Greek travelers(that's why they said that no Greeks remained in Athens). The Arvanites found identical racially to southern Greeks, they are different racially from Albanians and belong mainly to the southern Greek Mediterranean racial type, something which proves that they were/are 100% Greeks racially as well.
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Post by leka on Jan 9, 2012 21:33:04 GMT -5
OMG. This is so desperate Hellenas.
Why the hell Greeks did not learn straight Turkish ,but Arvanitika "to avoid the persecution of the Turks". What kind of rubbish is this?!
That's why Greeks called themselves Romio too ,"to avoid persecution of the Romans", even a millenia after there was no more Romans?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 21:57:48 GMT -5
You guys are so sensitive that if*greek points out the Greek writing on an old albanian church you start jumping up and down.. If you think you were all Greeks... and now your're albanians... whats the problem?Sorry I can't change you back... but don't insult us for being Greek. why do you keep saying WE are sensitive when YOU are clearly the one who is flustered? i don't give a shit about arvanites, you and hellenas are kicking up a fuss over it, the only thing i reacted to is your rant about how you are better than albanians therefore you are right, i don't care if you post pictures of greek inscriptions because unlike you, i accept and acknowledge that greek was a widely used written language, albanian was not a developed literary language, that makes me feel neither inferior nor superior...that doesn't mean however that those people were greek because their wrote the religious inscriptions in greek during the byzantine reign, because we all know that greek was the language of religion, that is why i mentioned the fact that the first bible was written in greek, look, noone is worried about your sources, more power to you, keep posting them.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 22:16:23 GMT -5
Well then why are you so angry?
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Post by atdhetar on Jan 9, 2012 22:23:45 GMT -5
lol is this reverse psychology?
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Post by Hellenas on Jan 9, 2012 22:27:38 GMT -5
OMG. This is so desperate Hellenas. Why the hell Greeks did not learn straight Turkish ,but Arvanitika "to avoid the persecution of the Turks". What kind of rubbish is this?! You are illiterate concerning Greek history, we all know that, you also are propagandists and liars, we also know that. The Greeks pretended the Albanians so to avoid the Turkish taxes and the persecution of the Turks. You are a moron and illiterate concerning Greece. The Greeks called their selves as Romii because the Byzantine Greeks had forbid the use of the name "Hellene" for religious reasons. They used this name after so many centuries of its use. Can you tell us, does the use of the name Romii makes Greeks Romans, Latins, Italians? No of course, but you are so morons to understand that.
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Post by Kanaris on Jan 9, 2012 22:37:46 GMT -5
lol is this reverse psychology? No,I am just telling you to keep your cool... you really don't participate other than swear at people and give the thumbs up to whatever Rexxy says... like 'slammin bitchez and 'oh snap' ... and that I am senile.. I know I am senile.. but thats besides the point. ;D
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