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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 16:14:02 GMT -5
Greece None-Balkan because 65% of the population are from outside of Greece ,massive population exchange in the early 1900's .
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 8, 2018 22:54:57 GMT -5
Greece None-Balkan because 65% of the population are from outside of Greece ,massive population exchange in the early 1900's . Reading such things from Balkan folks is the main reason to think that my country is not Balkan, I mean we are not blessed with such wisdom and knowledge  |
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 9, 2018 0:49:51 GMT -5
hahahahahaha most of the images on this are venetian and found on the islands, do you want some other balkan places with venetian architecture?    ;img.crop(width:1080%2Cheight:608)) . but then surely none of these countries are balkan? this music, non balkan? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Actually croatia had a renaissance so you are wrong  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_in_CroatiaIn fact Greece was almost entirely occupied by the ottomans, where as countries like Serbia and Croatia had parts belonging to Austro hungary or Venice take a look at little montenegro, independent since the 1600's and so what? look at Tocharian on the map, some scholars classify Albanian as centum.... Vlachs speak an italic language, centum right? and they are balkan..... |
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 9, 2018 1:46:19 GMT -5
centum / satem is a hoax. No need to repeat that again.
Did any one talk about Bulgaria.....
Law School in Athens :
Now lets see e.g. the law school in BEOGRAD :
and in Barcelona
So it is EVIDENT that culturally SLAVS and LATINS are much more close
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 9, 2018 1:47:36 GMT -5
when people visit Greece, its culture, be it architecture, music etc reminds of mediterranean Southern Europe, can you show me a single example of such architecture in your Balkan country:       [img src="https://www.gtp.gr/showphoto.asp?FN=/MGfiles/location/image17753[185].jpg" style="max-width:100%;" alt=""] I saw similar pics all day when I was in Campania, meanwhile never did in Bulgaria, and the funny fact is that unlike Serbs with whom we don't even share borders, Bulgarians are aware of this fact Can you post me a single song like the following from your country: hahahahahaha most of the images on this are venetian and found on the islands, do you want some other balkan places with venetian architecture? . but then surely none of these countries are balkan? this music, non balkan? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Actually croatia had a renaissance so you are wrong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_in_CroatiaIn fact Greece was almost entirely occupied by the ottomans, where as countries like Serbia and Croatia had parts belonging to Austro hungary or Venice take a look at little montenegro, independent since the 1600's and so what? look at Tocharian on the map, some scholars classify Albanian as centum.... Vlachs speak an italic language, centum right? and they are balkan..... Thanks for once again confirming that you have no idea about anything regarding Greece 1) 4 out of 6 PICS are from MAINLAND I am not surprised by the fact that you don't recognize acropolis, or may think it's located in any "Venetian ruled island". And the "islands under Venice" are equally (or more, in some cases) Greek as the rest of the country is, let alone that south mainland has also shared history with Venice and other south European principalities (aragon etc) (not even mentioning bavarians and Danes). In fact south mainland looks much more similar to south Italy than the Aegean islands do, even though northern regions have some similarities with Balkans. Should I mention that your example is funny, as Croatia is NOT Balkan as well? No country of Balkans can look like this 2) the only one song that you quoted (ignoring all of the rest) is more archaic, but its rhythm and scale is not balkan, of course the rest were not even quoted as they ruin your balkan dream, typical Balkan smart-ass 3) Crete, cyclades and ionian islands experienced renaissance as much as Croatia did, and South mainland experienced full enlightenment (which is far more important) Serbia has parts belonging to Austro-Hungarian empire?? Hahaha Serbia has no single part that has never been under ottomans, meanwhile Greece has, Where is Serbia in 1700?: www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1700/1700.jpg and of course most of our late 1000 years of history is associated with Europe rather than Balkans and ottomans. We don't determine our selves according to ottomans, the way iberians don't determine themselves according to moors, which is the best evidence of how different we are from you 4) most of authors consider Albanian satem, and nobody would say that its accent sounds like any Latin language. Nevertheless, Balkans linguistically are associated with satem languages and Slavic accent, neither is common in Greece Most of the world and ourselves don't see our country as Balkan, but as something quite alien to you, and I provided all details related to that, you can keep seeing us as whatever you want, you are the last one we care about, especially when you seem to ignore even the basics about our country |
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 9, 2018 1:50:28 GMT -5
True Greeks of the south (Lakonia, Crete, Cyprus, Rhodes) are MUCH MUCH closer to BALKAN OTHODOX Slavs than the Vlahs/Sarakatsans from mainland Greece. Vlahs/Sarakatsans are the majority.
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 9, 2018 15:21:24 GMT -5
Thanks for once again confirming that you have no idea about anything regarding Greece 1) 4 out of 6 PICS are from MAINLAND I am not surprised by the fact that you don't recognize acropolis, or may think it's located in any "Venetian ruled island". And the "islands under Venice" are equally (or more, in some cases) Greek as the rest of the country is, let alone that south mainland has also shared history with Venice and other south European principalities (aragon etc) (not even mentioning bavarians and Danes). In fact south mainland looks much more similar to south Italy than the Aegean islands do, even though northern regions have some similarities with Balkans. Should I mention that your example is funny, as Croatia is NOT Balkan as well? No country of Balkans can look like this 2) the only one song that you quoted (ignoring all of the rest) is more archaic, but its rhythm and scale is not balkan, of course the rest were not even quoted as they ruin your balkan dream, typical Balkan smart-ass 3) Crete, cyclades and ionian islands experienced renaissance as much as Croatia did, and South mainland experienced full enlightenment (which is far more important) Serbia has parts belonging to Austro-Hungarian empire?? Hahaha Serbia has no single part that has never been under ottomans, meanwhile Greece has, Where is Serbia in 1700?: www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1700/1700.jpg and of course most of our late 1000 years of history is associated with Europe rather than Balkans and ottomans. We don't determine our selves according to ottomans, the way iberians don't determine themselves according to moors, which is the best evidence of how different we are from you 4) most of authors consider Albanian satem, and nobody would say that its accent sounds like any Latin language. Nevertheless, Balkans linguistically are associated with satem languages and Slavic accent, neither is common in Greece Most of the world and ourselves don't see our country as Balkan, but as something quite alien to you, and I provided all details related to that, you can keep seeing us as whatever you want, you are the last one we care about, especially when you seem to ignore even the basics about our country 1)HAHAHAHAHAA look up coastal montenegro or albania you'll be able to see the exact same architecture 2)That music is balkan Davul and Zurna AHAHAHAHHAHA 3)Serbia did have parts belonging to the austro-hungarian empire right?,Greece did not have one single part which wasn't under the ottomans: , so how can you not associate yourselves with the Balkans, you participated in the balkan wars, Fought for independence against the ottomans, lol. 4)Vlach is an italic language centum to be precise, so are Vlachs not Balkanic? there are large populations of Vlachs in Greece as well. Croatia is a part of the Balkans. discussed here already: illyria.proboards.com/thread/24982/croatia-balkans?page=2anyway what are you doing here on a balkan forum  |
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 0:14:19 GMT -5
dont listen to the USA embassy-paid albanian. He is an albanian trolling most greek forums. And paid by USAid.
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 1:40:47 GMT -5
Bulgarian Parliament :
Serbian parliament
Athens parliament
Madrid :
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 1:47:57 GMT -5
When talking about buildings . size matters :
Sveti Sava in Beograd :
^^^^ Biggest and very nice CHRISTIAN CHURCH IN THE BALKANS
Aleks. Nevski SOFIA
Most beautiful CHRISTIAN church in the balkans
Athens .... mitropoli ....
IT IS APPARENT THAT THE LATINS ARE MUCH MUCH MUCH CLOSER TO BALKAN SLAVS THAN ANYTHING ARBABIAN!!!!
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 10, 2018 1:55:31 GMT -5
Thanks for once again confirming that you have no idea about anything regarding Greece 1) 4 out of 6 PICS are from MAINLAND I am not surprised by the fact that you don't recognize acropolis, or may think it's located in any "Venetian ruled island". And the "islands under Venice" are equally (or more, in some cases) Greek as the rest of the country is, let alone that south mainland has also shared history with Venice and other south European principalities (aragon etc) (not even mentioning bavarians and Danes). In fact south mainland looks much more similar to south Italy than the Aegean islands do, even though northern regions have some similarities with Balkans. Should I mention that your example is funny, as Croatia is NOT Balkan as well? No country of Balkans can look like this 2) the only one song that you quoted (ignoring all of the rest) is more archaic, but its rhythm and scale is not balkan, of course the rest were not even quoted as they ruin your balkan dream, typical Balkan smart-ass 3) Crete, cyclades and ionian islands experienced renaissance as much as Croatia did, and South mainland experienced full enlightenment (which is far more important) Serbia has parts belonging to Austro-Hungarian empire?? Hahaha Serbia has no single part that has never been under ottomans, meanwhile Greece has, Where is Serbia in 1700?: www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1700/1700.jpg and of course most of our late 1000 years of history is associated with Europe rather than Balkans and ottomans. We don't determine our selves according to ottomans, the way iberians don't determine themselves according to moors, which is the best evidence of how different we are from you 4) most of authors consider Albanian satem, and nobody would say that its accent sounds like any Latin language. Nevertheless, Balkans linguistically are associated with satem languages and Slavic accent, neither is common in Greece Most of the world and ourselves don't see our country as Balkan, but as something quite alien to you, and I provided all details related to that, you can keep seeing us as whatever you want, you are the last one we care about, especially when you seem to ignore even the basics about our country 1)HAHAHAHAHAA look up coastal montenegro or albania you'll be able to see the exact same architecture 2)That music is balkan Davul and Zurna AHAHAHAHHAHA 3)Serbia did have parts belonging to the austro-hungarian empire right?,Greece did not have one single part which wasn't under the ottomans: , so how can you not associate yourselves with the Balkans, you participated in the balkan wars, Fought for independence against the ottomans, lol. 4)Vlach is an italic language centum to be precise, so are Vlachs not Balkanic? there are large populations of Vlachs in Greece as well. Croatia is a part of the Balkans. discussed here already: illyria.proboards.com/thread/24982/croatia-balkans?page=2anyway what are you doing here on a balkan forum Hahaha no Balkan dude, there is no such architecture in coastal Albania, it has pure Balkan and ottoman architecture. Montenegro only has, which makes it from the particular aspect non-balkan, not the other way around. If the rest of its elements were non balkan it would be non Balkan too, common sense 99% of balkans don't share the Mediterranean architecture of South Italy, Greece, Spain etc Hahahaha it's pipiza (pipe) and it's Europewise, not balkan exclusively, with nothing balkan about rhythm and scale, and once again no comment for the rest of the songs that I posted 3) Greece had parts that were never occupied by ottomans, see ionian islands (under Venice) and mani (independent) and other parts for 99-200 years, I enjoy the fact that you learn history in YouTube, meanwhile encyclopedias say otherwise On contrary there's no single part of Serbia that has been fewer than 150 years under ottomans And exactly, since part of us share zero history with Balkans, and the biggest part of the country doesn't share most of its history with Balkans and fought to not share it centuries ago, we don't associate ourselves with Balkans and neither most of the world does Yes, Vlach is a centum language which is the non-balkan aspect of Vlachs, and it's the rest of their aspects that are balkan, aspects that if they didn't exist, it would be non-balkan. And of course our Vlach community, which lives only in North, and makes up 1-3% of our population, is associated by us with Balkans and have a Balkan outlook for our standards, the same goes even for Greek speakers of these provinces Lol the funniest part of your posts, is that your struggle to find a couple of stereotypically non-balkan things of 1-2 balkan nations, like venetian architecture of montenegro or Latin language of vlachs, actually proves my point: that Greece is a composition of things that either hardly exist in particular Balkan nations, or don't even exist at all, meanwhile Balkans predominantly are a composition of things that don't exist in Greece,and especially south and the islands, which is why both us and foreigners don't consider ourselves Balkan Ps, the only Balkan thing about Croatia is its language and its recent history, if both were enough, it would be a Balkan County. But I see them as not enough In other words, Greece has a Mediterranean architecture and music, unlike 99% of Balkans, speaks a centum language, unlike 99% of Balkans, has a Mediterranean mentality incompatible with any Balkaner, and the biggest part of its latest 1000 years history (along with last two centuries) is not shared with balkans. Not to mention climate and naval history of the country. All these reasons make the majority of the world considering us non-balkan, you can keep begging us to be balkan |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 3:38:31 GMT -5
Athens mitropoli looks like Mexican church.
Looks nice. Not really Balkan but nice.
PS. But you could be right. If the Spanish influenced Mexican architecture and Spanish themselves copied many of Moorish (Arabic) architecture. The best example is perhaps Alhambra palace.
Additional:
Check this music. Reminds you of some Northern Greek?
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 4:05:42 GMT -5
Here smth from TURKISH SERBIA hahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Serbs (under supposedly Turkish influence) are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times more EURO than the western-ier of the western occupied ARBAnians... !!!
Also its is ultra funny how those ANTI-GREEK prostitutes seem to get HEDONIZED by propagating stories about how well they were under the Italians/Venetians/Bavarians/ etc....
complete pussies ....
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 4:50:11 GMT -5
and now ARBAthens under 200 years of WESTERN occupation :
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 4:54:46 GMT -5
Some parts of it just seems Moorish to me.
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 5:35:39 GMT -5
and now some pure .... mediterranean greek music , which ONLY has conenction with non-balkans :
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 5:41:08 GMT -5
Belgrade from above
Sofia from above :
and now western superior non-balkan athens :
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 5:42:11 GMT -5
But in the end, Brenus is correct ....
Athens is NOT balkan, and unfortunately NEVER WILL LOOK like Balkans.
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 10, 2018 10:51:20 GMT -5
Hahaha no Balkan dude, there is no such architecture in coastal Albania, it has pure Balkan and ottoman architecture. Montenegro only has, which makes it from the particular aspect non-balkan, not the other way around. If the rest of its elements were non balkan it would be non Balkan too, common sense 99% of balkans don't share the Mediterranean architecture of South Italy, Greece, Spain etc Hahahaha it's pipiza (pipe) and it's Europewise, not balkan exclusively, with nothing balkan about rhythm and scale, and once again no comment for the rest of the songs that I posted 3) Greece had parts that were never occupied by ottomans, see ionian islands (under Venice) and mani (independent) and other parts for 99-200 years, I enjoy the fact that you learn history in YouTube, meanwhile encyclopedias say otherwise On contrary there's no single part of Serbia that has been fewer than 150 years under ottomans And exactly, since part of us share zero history with Balkans, and the biggest part of the country doesn't share most of its history with Balkans and fought to not share it centuries ago, we don't associate ourselves with Balkans and neither most of the world does Yes, Vlach is a centum language which is the non-balkan aspect of Vlachs, and it's the rest of their aspects that are balkan, aspects that if they didn't exist, it would be non-balkan. And of course our Vlach community, which lives only in North, and makes up 1-3% of our population, is associated by us with Balkans and have a Balkan outlook for our standards, the same goes even for Greek speakers of these provinces Lol the funniest part of your posts, is that your struggle to find a couple of stereotypically non-balkan things of 1-2 balkan nations, like venetian architecture of montenegro or Latin language of vlachs, actually proves my point: that Greece is a composition of things that either hardly exist in particular Balkan nations, or don't even exist at all, meanwhile Balkans predominantly are a composition of things that don't exist in Greece,and especially south and the islands, which is why both us and foreigners don't consider ourselves Balkan Ps, the only Balkan thing about Croatia is its language and its recent history, if both were enough, it would be a Balkan County. But I see them as not enough In other words, Greece has a Mediterranean architecture and music, unlike 99% of Balkans, speaks a centum language, unlike 99% of Balkans, has a Mediterranean mentality incompatible with any Balkaner, and the biggest part of its latest 1000 years history (along with last two centuries) is not shared with balkans. Not to mention climate and naval history of the country. All these reasons make the majority of the world considering us non-balkan, you can keep begging us to be balkan So let me get this, "Montenegro is not Balkan" "Croatia is not Balkan" this is not balkan etc.... lmaooo, let me first point out that Greece is geographically part of the balkans, nobody denies this. Greece has been under the Bulgarian empire. Greece has been under the Serbian empire. Greece has been under various Albanian states .Greece has been raided by Slavs. Greece has participated in the Balkan wars.Greece had to liberate itself from the ottoman empire like Balkan nations, yet you say you share zero history with us? lol As for your point about Serbia, Vojvodina was in fact under the ottoman empire for less than 150 years, how about Montenegro? the Venetians had possesions in Albania Montenegro and Croatia, not only Greece. Yes Vlach is a centum language. I see the centum and satem thing as a bit Vague, for example Tocharian is located in today's xinjiang however it is a centum language, does this make them europeans? we can look at something else though, the balkan sprachbund, the elements which bind our languages together, but not Italian or Spanish. As for Croatia nobody denies that it is not balkan. Ps what are you doing on a balkan forum (for the millionth time), and speaking of Balkan mentality why are you arguing with us balkaners? you argue with Albanians Makedonians and Bulgarians about history and terrirtory, isn't this is a balkan mindset lol, if you don't want to be a part of us, ignore us |
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 10, 2018 10:53:51 GMT -5
Greece None-Balkan because 65% of the population are from outside of Greece ,massive population exchange in the early 1900's . by this logic greece is middle eastern. hahahahhahahahaa |
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