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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 11:33:32 GMT -5
^^^ which my photos sadly show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 12:09:43 GMT -5
Greece None-Balkan because 65% of the population are from outside of Greece ,massive population exchange in the early 1900's . by this logic greece is middle eastern. hahahahhahahahaa
10% to 15% of it easily , and thats not counting any refugees of late
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 10, 2018 14:41:00 GMT -5
by this logic greece is middle eastern. hahahahhahahahaa
10% to 15% of it easily , and thats not counting any refugees of late
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 14:58:35 GMT -5
South Greece/Athens and all arvanite places resemble Arabian middle eastern lands. Makedonia is true Balkan / Slavic. Central Greece is Vlah (and therefore Balkan).
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Post by rex362 on Oct 10, 2018 15:15:15 GMT -5
dont insult my birth city that much ...most of them Anatolian turkish Christians are up north anyhow
Athens through the years has simply gathered all the idiot lazy villagers ....its the village-idiots Mecca of greece
Selaniki is second
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 10, 2018 16:13:04 GMT -5
Greece has been under the Bulgarian empire. Greece has been under the Serbian empire. Greece has been under various Albanian states .Greece has been raided by Slavs. Greece has participated in the Balkan wars.Greece had to liberate itself from the ottoman empire like Balkan nations, yet you say you share zero history with us? lol As for your point about Serbia, Vojvodina was in fact under the ottoman empire for less than 150 years, how about Montenegro? the Venetians had possesions in Albania Montenegro and Croatia, not only Greece. Yes Vlach is a centum language. I see the centum and satem thing as a bit Vague, for example Tocharian is located in today's xinjiang however it is a centum language, does this make them europeans? we can look at something else though, the balkan sprachbund, the elements which bind our languages together, but not Italian or Spanish. As for Croatia nobody denies that it is not balkan. Ps what are you doing on a balkan forum (for the millionth time), and speaking of Balkan mentality why are you arguing with us balkaners? you argue with Albanians Makedonians and Bulgarians about history and terrirtory, isn't this is a balkan mindset lol, if you don't want to be a part of us, ignore us  you are officially insane, right? How many times in history was South-central Greece and the islands, which is where 60% of the population of Greece lives and comes from, under Serbian or Bulgarian occupation (no comment about Albanian occupation, even stones are laughing to your comment)? If you are talking about Northern Greece, from Thessaly to Thrace etc, apart from the fact that natives there hardly represent 20% of the population of the country (40% of the country, but half of people in these regions are anatolian refugees so natives 20%), I have already mentioned that they have similarities with Balkans, but not the biggest part, which is south and the islands. but Messinia, for example, genius, has been for nearly 4 centuries (even though not continuously) under Frankish and venetian conquest, and 200 years under modern European Greece, how many times was it under Serbs or bulgarians? The same of course goes for all Southern provinces, messinia was an example. That's what I mean that we mostly don't share history And if you read my comment more carefully, I said parts of our country share zero history with Balkans (ionian islands and some Aegean, along with mani in south peloponnese) and most of the country doesn't share most of its history with Balkans, read before you write As for Vojvodina, you should already know that the biggest part of its pre-yugoslav population was not even Serbian, and a huge part of its Serbian population is originated from Serbian refugees of the 400 years Ottoman occupied country. The region is originally hungarian, no matters if you deny it. And no matters where venetians had possesions, Ionian islands, which were not only under venetians, but under Brits, French and Russians as well, have never been Ottoman, unlike and of the countries you referred, and unlike Vojvodina, which has been Ottoman for 150 years the "Balkan sprachbund" is linguo-geographical, not linguistic (in terms of origins, rules etc of the languages) group, in contrast to centum-satem languages, and talks about particular, very limited similarities which are nothing compare to Centum-Satem groups, let alone that it includes even non-IE languages (Turkish). So no, there is no reason to look for it As for Croatia, I am sorry but language alone I already said why i am here, I saw my country being inaccurately included in Balkans, came here to provide all the evidence that it's not and rather saw zero things proving the opposite from what I say. but it seems to me that in your area you don't have bright memory |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 10, 2018 16:15:59 GMT -5
Athens mitropoli looks like Mexican church.
Looks nice. Not really Balkan but nice.
PS. But you could be right. If the Spanish influenced Mexican architecture and Spanish themselves copied many of Moorish (Arabic) architecture. The best example is perhaps Alhambra palace.
I agree that it could look "mexican" as it already looks similar to part of Spanish, which makes sense, for two Mediterranean countries sharing similarities and being quite different from balkans, as I proved since my very first posts |
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Post by rex362 on Oct 10, 2018 16:21:41 GMT -5
uh....so what with the roosters ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:31:26 GMT -5
Athens mitropoli looks like Mexican church.
Looks nice. Not really Balkan but nice.
PS. But you could be right. If the Spanish influenced Mexican architecture and Spanish themselves copied many of Moorish (Arabic) architecture. The best example is perhaps Alhambra palace.
I agree that it could look "mexican" as it already looks similar to part of Spanish, which makes sense, for two Mediterranean countries sharing similarities and being quite different from balkans, as I proved since my very first posts Its Moorish (Moroccan) architecture. Sicily also has it because of Moorish or Saracen invasions of South Italy. Wonder why Greece has it |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 10, 2018 16:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:42:28 GMT -5
So you like Balkan music? Here you go another for your collection:
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 10, 2018 23:22:29 GMT -5
So you like Balkan music? Here you go another for your collection:
lol I prefer serbian, it's more "spicy" and reminds me of 90's superheroes (Arkan etc) |
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 10, 2018 23:51:13 GMT -5
South Greece (Peloponese = MOREJA from Slavic more=sea) was not exactly under Slavic occupation, but was simply inhabited by SLAVS almost exclusively from 500 AD to 900 AD. That's why there used to be over 1000 SLAVIC toponyms in Moreja prior to 1926. Today there are about 400.
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 11, 2018 0:31:22 GMT -5
Manounos was married in a village named "Akovo" located here :
This is located in the red in the map.
You dont call that : North Greece, right?
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Post by Pyrros on Oct 11, 2018 0:43:53 GMT -5
I dont believe I am actually answering this pile of garbage, but this "chart" alone is worth dismissing anything you said. I wonder how many tons of drugs did this Lewis take before coming up with this?
So Bulgaria is closer to Turkey or Iran than Croatia or Russia.
We are talking about insanity.
Toliko glupost na engleskom ovdje, ozbiljno misljam da promenim na Srpskom.
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 11, 2018 0:51:24 GMT -5
you are officially insane, right? How many times in history was South-central Greece and the islands, which is where 60% of the population of Greece lives and comes from, under Serbian or Bulgarian occupation (no comment about Albanian occupation, even stones are laughing to your comment)? If you are talking about Northern Greece, from Thessaly to Thrace etc, apart from the fact that natives there hardly represent 20% of the population of the country (40% of the country, but half of people in these regions are anatolian refugees so natives 20%), I have already mentioned that they have similarities with Balkans, but not the biggest part, which is south and the islands. but Messinia, for example, genius, has been for nearly 4 centuries (even though not continuously) under Frankish and venetian conquest, and 200 years under modern European Greece, how many times was it under Serbs or bulgarians? The same of course goes for all Southern provinces, messinia was an example. That's what I mean that we mostly don't share history And if you read my comment more carefully, I said parts of our country share zero history with Balkans (ionian islands and some Aegean, along with mani in south peloponnese) and most of the country doesn't share most of its history with Balkans, read before you write As for Vojvodina, you should already know that the biggest part of its pre-yugoslav population was not even Serbian, and a huge part of its Serbian population is originated from Serbian refugees of the 400 years Ottoman occupied country. The region is originally hungarian, no matters if you deny it. And no matters where venetians had possesions, Ionian islands, which were not only under venetians, but under Brits, French and Russians as well, have never been Ottoman, unlike and of the countries you referred, and unlike Vojvodina, which has been Ottoman for 150 years the "Balkan sprachbund" is linguo-geographical, not linguistic (in terms of origins, rules etc of the languages) group, in contrast to centum-satem languages, and talks about particular, very limited similarities which are nothing compare to Centum-Satem groups, let alone that it includes even non-IE languages (Turkish). So no, there is no reason to look for it As for Croatia, I am sorry but language alone I already said why i am here, I saw my country being inaccurately included in Balkans, came here to provide all the evidence that it's not and rather saw zero things proving the opposite from what I say. but it seems to me that in your area you don't have bright memory  rex will explain about albanian occupation won't you? hehehehheheheheee, despotate of Epirus and despotate of Arta right?.we can continue talking about Balkan alliances' you've had wars you've had with us Balkaners etc..... As for Vojvodina, The Hungarian population are mostly migrants from the Austro-Hungarian era rather than from the Hungarian kingdom, which is why there are slovaks,croats and romanians there.Vojvodina became majority Serbian in the mid 15th century when migrants FROM the ottoman empire fled to hungary. You still haven't talked about montenegro which has never been fully conquered. So a few islands off the coast of Albania were never conquered by the ottomans? shiitttt what a lot LMAO, Italy and Spain was never conquered at ALL.The Balkan sprachbund is linguo-geographical, however it still creates a lot of similarities between our languages, DUE TO GEOGRAPHICAL AND CULTURAL PROXIMITY WHICH ITALIAN OR SPANISH DOES NOT SHARE.As for croatia you still lose, it is balkan Just through arguing with me, same goes for all of your greek friends arguing with us "balkaners" the same way your politicians argue with Albanians and Makedonians illustrates your balkan mindset perfectly.... hahhahahahhahahhaa. |
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 11, 2018 0:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 11, 2018 1:04:09 GMT -5
lol I prefer serbian, it's more "spicy" and reminds me of 90's superheroes (Arkan etc) you're forgetting: |
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Post by branislavnusic on Oct 11, 2018 1:19:08 GMT -5
dont insult my birth city that much ...most of them Anatolian turkish Christians are up north anyhow
Athens through the years has simply gathered all the idiot lazy villagers ....its the village-idiots Mecca of greece
Selaniki is second
explain this to brenus, who's one of these "white european christian" people ahahhahahahahahhahaha |
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Post by brennusduxgallorumm on Oct 11, 2018 1:19:48 GMT -5
you are officially insane, right? How many times in history was South-central Greece and the islands, which is where 60% of the population of Greece lives and comes from, under Serbian or Bulgarian occupation (no comment about Albanian occupation, even stones are laughing to your comment)? If you are talking about Northern Greece, from Thessaly to Thrace etc, apart from the fact that natives there hardly represent 20% of the population of the country (40% of the country, but half of people in these regions are anatolian refugees so natives 20%), I have already mentioned that they have similarities with Balkans, but not the biggest part, which is south and the islands. but Messinia, for example, genius, has been for nearly 4 centuries (even though not continuously) under Frankish and venetian conquest, and 200 years under modern European Greece, how many times was it under Serbs or bulgarians? The same of course goes for all Southern provinces, messinia was an example. That's what I mean that we mostly don't share history And if you read my comment more carefully, I said parts of our country share zero history with Balkans (ionian islands and some Aegean, along with mani in south peloponnese) and most of the country doesn't share most of its history with Balkans, read before you write As for Vojvodina, you should already know that the biggest part of its pre-yugoslav population was not even Serbian, and a huge part of its Serbian population is originated from Serbian refugees of the 400 years Ottoman occupied country. The region is originally hungarian, no matters if you deny it. And no matters where venetians had possesions, Ionian islands, which were not only under venetians, but under Brits, French and Russians as well, have never been Ottoman, unlike and of the countries you referred, and unlike Vojvodina, which has been Ottoman for 150 years the "Balkan sprachbund" is linguo-geographical, not linguistic (in terms of origins, rules etc of the languages) group, in contrast to centum-satem languages, and talks about particular, very limited similarities which are nothing compare to Centum-Satem groups, let alone that it includes even non-IE languages (Turkish). So no, there is no reason to look for it As for Croatia, I am sorry but language alone I already said why i am here, I saw my country being inaccurately included in Balkans, came here to provide all the evidence that it's not and rather saw zero things proving the opposite from what I say. but it seems to me that in your area you don't have bright memory rex will explain about albanian occupation won't you? hehehehheheheheee, despotate of Epirus and despotate of Arta right?.we can continue talking about Balkan alliances' you've had wars you've had with us Balkaners etc..... As for Vojvodina, The Hungarian population are mostly migrants from the Austro-Hungarian era rather than from the Hungarian kingdom, which is why there are slovaks,croats and romanians there.Vojvodina became majority Serbian in the mid 15th century when migrants FROM the ottoman empire fled to hungary. You still haven't talked about montenegro which has never been fully conquered. So a few islands off the coast of Albania were never conquered by the ottomans? shiitttt what a lot LMAO, Italy and Spain was never conquered at ALL.The Balkan sprachbund is linguo-geographical, however it still creates a lot of similarities between our languages, DUE TO GEOGRAPHICAL AND CULTURAL PROXIMITY WHICH ITALIAN OR SPANISH DOES NOT SHARE.As for croatia you still lose, it is balkan Just through arguing with me, same goes for all of your greek friends arguing with us "balkaners" the same way your politicians argue with Albanians and Makedonians illustrates your balkan mindset perfectly.... hahhahahahhahahhaa. With only one problem to your theory, CULTURAL PROXIMITY AS I HAVE ALREADY PROVED ( A WORD YOU PROBABLY IGNORE) DOESN'T EXIST, and slavs raided Greece in 9th century, we are talking about things from 10th century to 2018 here One thing I have to admit is that I definitely argue with you the same way all Greeks and balkaners (and politicians of the two sides) excluding Bulgarians and many Albanians, do: we post charts, pictures, maps, studies, sources, polls etc with all of my posts being a living evidence of this, meanwhile all you post insults, trash like the old town of Athens being in an "island" etc something illustrating pretty well your balkan mindset and ignorance about anything regarding Greece vs our south European (and western in general) mentality and education The only Balkans the majority of the world knows, is this one; wikitravel.org/upload/shared//7/7f/Balkans_regions_map.pngThe reasons are well explained in all of my posts |
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rex will explain about albanian occupation won't you? hehehehheheheheee, despotate of Epirus and despotate of Arta right?.we can continue talking about Balkan alliances' you've had wars you've had with us Balkaners etc.....