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Post by ioan on Dec 1, 2007 2:51:52 GMT -5
Not to mention that u have much more lands in which the Serbian influence is undisputed. Bosnia, even Croatia and deffinately Montenegro. Those people till not long ago identified as Serbs. Its natural to concentrate there. The Macaronians never identified as Serbs. All the western that crosed Macaronia in 19 century said they were Bulgars. There were lots of Greek also in the south.
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Post by radovic on Dec 1, 2007 19:07:18 GMT -5
Not to mention that u have much more lands in which the Serbian influence is undisputed. Bosnia, even Croatia and deffinately Montenegro. Those people till not long ago identified as Serbs. Its natural to concentrate there. The Macaronians never identified as Serbs. All the western that crosed Macaronia in 19 century said they were Bulgars. There were lots of Greek also in the south. bulgar doesn't necessarily mean the same think as it does now. I read that an english travel writer in the 18th century referred to the population of Belgrade as Bulgar. The simple fact is that the FYROMian nation is an artificial creation and they didn't have a strong sense of ethnic identity -- they referred to themselves as Slavs.
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Post by superman on Dec 2, 2007 1:24:09 GMT -5
macos are bulgarians with brainwashed cultural identity.
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Post by ioan on Dec 2, 2007 2:18:33 GMT -5
[quote author=radovic board=rumaniaromania thread=1194378141 post=1196554038 bulgar doesn't necessarily mean the same think as it does now. [/quote] Did Serb meant different thing in the 19 century. Somehow I dont believe u d say this if the travellers said they were Serbs. Unfortunately they didnt. They were pure Bulgarians.
Ok. Really? Well here we are talking about dimplomats and not some illiterate people. All reliable sources call the Bulgarians, and none Serbs.
Thats the mantra of the Serbs. They didnt have identity. Then why most moved to Bulgaria? Why even Paisii Hilendarski was born in Macedonia? Why half of our poliical elite after the liberation was from Macedonia?
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Post by radovic on Dec 3, 2007 12:13:15 GMT -5
[quote author=radovic board=rumaniaromania thread=1194378141 post=1196554038 bulgar doesn't necessarily mean the same think as it does now. Did Serb meant different thing in the 19 century. Somehow I dont believe u d say this if the travellers said they were Serbs. Unfortunately they didnt. They were pure Bulgarians. Ok. Really? Well here we are talking about dimplomats and not some illiterate people. All reliable sources call the Bulgarians, and none Serbs. Thats the mantra of the Serbs. They didnt have identity. Then why most moved to Bulgaria? Why even Paisii Hilendarski was born in Macedonia? Why half of our poliical elite after the liberation was from Macedonia?[/quote] I'd like to know how if Maceodnians are so Bulgarian did they so easily become convinved under tito that they were "Macedonians." How come there were relatively few problems after the first world war in what is FYROM for the SHS authorities. Furthermore. I didn't claim those travellers did saty they were Serbs now did I. I said the term Bulgarian is not necessarily contigous with what is now referred to as Bulgarian. furthermore, you seem to have no knowledge of what my view on FYROMians is: 1. Region that had no real national allegiance -- they were aware just that they were Slav. 2. Population consists of Serb and Bulgarian elements. More bulgarian then Serb. 3. Tito was able to so effectively create the "Macedonian" nation because they had a weak and small sense of national identity and affiliation. 4. The vast majority of "Macedonians" do not view themselves as Serb or Bulgarian. The vast majority view themselves as "Macedonians" and depsite the wishes of Bulgarians it is unlikely that they will seek to unify with bulgaria any time soon.
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Post by ioan on Dec 3, 2007 17:39:06 GMT -5
The Bulgarianess was persecuted, anyone who demonstrated his Bulgarianess was put in prison, killed etc. The Serbs kept on pointing out lies to the Macaronians that the Bulgars were yellow race, Mongols etc.
U cant because with the exception of some Serbs nationalist all other observers agreed they were Bulgarians. Really? Yeah, thats one of the lies in the Macaronian history, at least we know its copy pasted from the Serbian one. And what exactly did Serb mean in the 19 century and today? The people were educated already, the industrial revolution was taking place, hardly one would just "mistake" them for Bulgarians.
And they were pointing out they were Bulgarians. How come all they heroes (including the creators of VMRO) claimed they were Bulgarians?
I agree. The Serbs were in the northwest and were hardly over 100000 (and thats probably overexageration). All the others were Bulgarians.
And also Because Moscow liked the idea and pressed it even on our stupid communists!
I dont think at this point anyone want unification with them. Everyone in Bg knows they are brainwashed, so whats the point?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 3, 2007 17:44:40 GMT -5
If you like to further discuss about MK lets open a thread in either the Bulgarian or Serbian forum. I'm at fault here for making this topic go off topic The only issue l have with our Bulgarian friends is that l disagree with them that macedonia was only inhabitated by bulgarians. I agree that the standard lanuage of MK is Bulgarian but more of the west bulgarian dialect.
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Post by diurpaneus on Dec 4, 2007 4:39:03 GMT -5
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