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Post by Arxileas on May 17, 2008 9:22:26 GMT -5
Haha.. you haven't proved anything. Macedonians were/are of non greek origin - that's all. Dude you are not well lol No offence BUT there really is something wrong with you, go out more often. Or better get some education, visit a museum. Learn to debate. Insulting is the weakest form of debates and is for 5 month olders.
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 17, 2008 9:50:27 GMT -5
Rhezus,
You are a Bulgar which means you are of Turkic origin. Bulgar, Tatar, Magyar, are you starting to see a pattern? Dude, as an American, who has an education I think it is safe to say that you NEED TO LEARN TO SEPARATE POLITICS from the truth of history. It seems that you formulate your opinions through modern politics, which as we all know politics can be very misleading. My conclusion is that you are a creation of politics. Nothing more and nothing less. You are not a product of history or education. YOU REALLY MUST THINK OF HOW PITIFUL YOU SOUND ARGUING WITH GREEKS ON THE GREEK FORUM ABOUT WHETHER MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS. DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR AT? ARE YOU DELUSIONAL?
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Post by panagiotopoulos on May 17, 2008 9:52:36 GMT -5
MAKEDONIA (GREEK NAME) IS GREEK. EVEN THE LAND YOU LIVE ON (EVROPI) IS NAMED BY GREEKS. Yet you insult us. Give us some credit.
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Post by pagane on May 17, 2008 10:20:39 GMT -5
Panagiote, would you be so kind to cut that with the Turkic origin? Bulgars were not Turkic or at least they were as much Turkic as you were Ethiopians. Thanks for the understanding. To enlight you a little about this pattern - the only defeat Chengiz Khan ever experienced was caused by Bulgars. So spare me this line of conclusions.
One more thing - you may find it surprising but you are with Rhezus on this one. He hates Bulgars as well and has exactly the same opinion as you.
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Post by Kassandros on May 17, 2008 11:44:43 GMT -5
I dont hate Bulgarians. At least they know who they are and they're proud of it. The whole problem begins with all these artificial creations in Balkans who try desperetely to find history and nationality as Americans promised them.. Listen... Montenegrin, Kossovar, Bosnian, "Macedonian"... lol lol OMG.. all creations of the 20th century and American politics in the Balkans who need small helpless countries to obey them. In Balkans there are only Greeks, Albanians, Serbs, Croates, Rumanians and Bulgarians. These are nationalities.. not jokes. Period. Even Slovenians are not a nationality. They're just a Slavic speaking Germanic tribe. Its like a joke; every 10 minutes in Balkans, we have a new nationality discovered from Americans and their Human Rights Watch. Of course.. that new nationality always has to do with people in small numbers so as to form a mini country that cannot survive alone and needs "special" military agreements and "help" from US.. . OMG.. what a joke! And there are people believing it...
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Post by Rhezus on May 17, 2008 14:57:22 GMT -5
From reading your lines... I see you all are freaked shauvinst. For 100 years of time you have succeded to expell quite a lot of the slavonic speaking Macedonian and Thracian population of Northern Greece. You still forbid their own speech (for those who are still left) and you even don't recognize your own Turkish minority of western Thrace - still calling them "Greek muslims". (I wonder, are there any muslim Greeks in your country, giving up their Greek language, speaking Turkish??) Is this your "great culture".. Thank you very much, but your culture seems like barbaric hell. Imagine beating Greek visitors in Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia or Turkey - just because they consider themselves being Greeks?! This is SO freaky! I've never heard sush a thing. And you have been member of the European Union, for 30 years now.. Very likely a second class member. Another comedian.. ;D ;D ;D Firstly, I'm not bulgar but Bulgarian (citizen), which are two different things. Etnically though mainly of thracian and slavic descent. But you... as "educated American" (which everyone knows are the most ignorant nation) can not teach me how to separete politics from history. Tell that to you compatriots first.. (both greeks and Americans). You have big problem with all your neighbours - that says a lot to me. P.S. Basil... stop talking bulls! Nobody approved you to tell all Slovenians who they may be. On the contrary - slovenes are more slavic than any other Balkan slavic nation.
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Post by Rhezus on May 17, 2008 15:37:44 GMT -5
Haha... ;D You never stop suprising me.. This forum is not "greek" - it's Macedonia Forum (Republic Macedonia).
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Post by pagane on May 17, 2008 18:17:55 GMT -5
Fair enough.
I second that.
The more I read, the more I agree with you.
Rhezus, are you out of your mind? First, what is this Thracian population you see? Excuse me, but you make people laugh at you. And they are right. No Thracians left, sorry to inform you about something people know for a long time. They have melted into Slavs, who, together with Bulgars and number of other peoples formed the Bulgarian nation. Live with this and stop disgracing our country with your silly posts. No Macedonians either. Whatever Greeks did, they did it to Bulgarians. Both sides have a big number of reasons not to be proud of what they committed but no one gives you the right to change the name of the ethnicities.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 18, 2008 1:32:43 GMT -5
"Ha ! So a true FyromianAlbanian.
Thanks for clearing that up Novi."
He told me once that his got relatives in kosovo in the town of Mitrovica where all the Albanians reside, and naturally as an Albanian he doesn't have a christian slava which all serbs, montenegrins and Vardarians have (depending on region of Vardar, usually prevalent in Northern and western), and, he also admitted that he doesn't also have a 'slava'. Lastly he told me that his grandparents came from Vadar and they were Albanians.
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Post by Arxileas on May 18, 2008 2:29:09 GMT -5
Ok ! Just to inform. There is nothing wrong with being a Slav, Bulgarian or even an Albanian. He just confused me. Couldn't work him out, he is like a lone mercenary without a cause going from sub forums to other sub forums spreading terror. ;D
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Post by Kassandros on May 18, 2008 3:02:55 GMT -5
Rhezus 'For 100 years of time you have succeded to expell quite a lot of the slavonic speaking Macedonian and Thracian population of Northern Greece. You still forbid their own speech (for those who are still left) and you even don't recognize your own Turkish minority of western Thrace - still calling them "Greek muslims". (I wonder, are there any muslim Greeks in your country, giving up their Greek language, speaking Turkish??)" ------------------------------------------------------------- Rhezus.. all your writings are the writings of a 5 year old boy after he saw Rambo movie. Have you ever heard of Pomacs in Western Thrace. This people are Muslims of Slavic origin, propably Bulgarians.. and they still live and prosper in Thrace. They are the ones you call "Turkish minority"! You by yourself helps to disapear these people from their Slavic roots and you by yourself helps them to turn to Turks by your sayings. Blame yourself and people like you for that loss. Turkish minority? Help me in something; When a Balkanian regardless his nationality becomes Muslim... automatically becomes Turk too? These people have not the Anatolian charachteristics, how you "transfer" them to the Turkish ethnicity.. if there is something like that. They are just victims of the Turkish propaganda that tries to manipulate every Muslim in Balkans in order to expand the Turkish influence in our lands. About Macedonian minority... better lived it You speak to one... and I feel most Greek than most of Greeks. The funny thing is.. 2 millions like me feel the same... and 3-4000 dont feel the same. So.. lets live democracy rules among Macedonians.. right? "Is this your "great culture".. Thank you very much, but your culture seems like barbaric hell. Imagine beating Greek visitors in Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia or Turkey - just because they consider themselves being Greeks?! This is SO freaky! I've never heard sush a thing. And you have been member of the European Union, for 30 years now.. Very likely a second class member." ------------------------------------------------------------------ If I come to your country, in the center of Plodiv... and have sticks on my car saying "Philipoupolis is Greek and will stay Greek", "Bulgarians genocide us", "Philipoupolis will be liberate by Greeks once again", and additionaly I have a "flag" of the liberated Philipoupolis...... are you sure that nobody will attack me? ... Ah bre Rhezous... is so easy to speak for others.. right? "P.S. Basil... stop talking bulls! Nobody approved you to tell all Slovenians who they may be. On the contrary - slovenes are more slavic than any other Balkan slavic nation." ---------------------------------------------------------------- Of course... their Slavic characteristics are obvious in their faces. On the contrary.. you find nothing Germanic on them. lol lol Do you dissagree with my theory about the need for new small nations by US external policy in Balkans Einstein?
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Post by philopoemen81 on May 18, 2008 3:03:37 GMT -5
Beating up innocent people doing their job is not a civilized way to behave and it is not a legitimate defense of greek macedonia's cultural integrity.
i am ashamed...think about it this way. if those gentlemen driving that truck had a favorable opinion of greece and greeks before.... they no longer do. Bravo sou, vlaches.
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Post by Kassandros on May 18, 2008 3:16:14 GMT -5
Pagane "No Macedonians either. Whatever Greeks did, they did it to Bulgarians. Both sides have a big number of reasons not to be proud of what they committed but no one gives you the right to change the name of the ethnicities." ----------------------------------------------------- Exactly. My family members were soldiers or gorillas in all the conflicts inside the Macedonian land. From Macedonian Struggle, to Balkan wars and to WW2. In almost all the conflict and wars their "enemy" was the Bulgarian soldiers or gorillas. What Macedonian Rhezus reffers to?? The only separation exist in their mind was that Southern Bulgarians were worst during the occupation from Northern Bulgarians. That is what I have been told from them and that happened because Southern Bulgarians were todays "Macedonians" and they new they had occupied true Macedonians. That is why they were so cruel.
I'll tell you about an incident in my village in Serres:
When the Bulgarian occupation troops came in my village in WW2 the first thing they did was to search and find all the ones who were fighting in Macedonian Struggle 40 years ago!! and execute them. The still had in mind their names! Then they made big 2 lines of soldiers holding sticks with a corridor between them and an office in the begging of the corridor. There, all the males from my village had to stay in a straight line a sign a paper that says "I'm Macedonian" or I'm Greek". If the villagers didnt accept that separation.. and most of them didnt accept it.. because they couldnt separate between these 2 things... they had to walk all the way down the corridor between the 2 lines of the soldiers and they were beaten until some of their bones were broken.
So as you see.. we were here mate and we know what happened that period. I dont blaim the Bulgarian soldiers... since I'm sure the Greek soldiers have done many discusting things too..... but what I am sure for is that those South Bulgarian soldiers were the todays new "Macedonians" and they were preparing the soil....
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Post by Kassandros on May 18, 2008 3:24:52 GMT -5
philopoemen81 "Beating up innocent people doing their job is not a civilized way to behave and it is not a legitimate defense of greek macedonia's cultural integrity. i am ashamed...think about it this way. if those gentlemen driving that truck had a favorable opinion of greece and greeks before.... they no longer do. Bravo sou, vlaches." ------------------------------------------------------------------ They are truck drivers.. their job is to carry stuff with the trucks. Fullstop. Their job is not to carry flags in their cabins and sticks and banners with MK and stuff like that so as to provoke the local population. The truck drivers who were doing their job.. nobody did nothing to them. The ones who provoked the population where forced to move the signs and the banners. Also... the were not beaten to death as you would love to believe.. PS. The specifi truck drivers... I assure you.. didnt have any kind of favorable opinion for Greeks. If they did... they would have respect us when they entered our country and they would have mooved the signs from their cars. They were macho guys who believed that nobody will react with their bs. They just failed..
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 18, 2008 4:04:28 GMT -5
"Ok ! Just to inform. There is nothing wrong with being a Slav, Bulgarian or even an Albanian. He just confused me. Couldn't work him out, he is like a lone mercenary without a cause going from sub forums to other sub forums spreading terror."
Ah his one terror who likes to wipe his ch.it on the walls of toilets.
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Post by Rhezus on May 18, 2008 8:22:59 GMT -5
Basil, I don't speak about Pomacs but about your Turkish minority which you repetedly deny. On the northern side of GR/BG border we have the Turkish minority of BG, which all know are not any pomacs. Further more, Pomacs speak slavic - not turkish.. I happen to know some ppl of Western Thrace. So, stop your shauvinist propaganda. I know what I am talking about.. www.hrw.org/reports/1999/greece/Haha... If you do that in Plovdiv, then all will be laughing at you, but no one vill beat you. The problem is that you deny something which exsists - republic of Macedonia whith your freaky abreviation F.Y.R.O.M. Those of Aegean Thrace / belomorska Trakia. It's ok if call them Bulgarians - the problem still ramains the same.
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Post by ioan on May 18, 2008 9:00:30 GMT -5
Rhezus is a special case, most probably pomak that cant handle the fact he is Bulgarian, including Bulgar origin. Well Bulgarians do have Bulgar blood among the Slavic and the Thracians and the fyroms are not Macedonians, but Bulgarians. Macedonians are Greeks, Philip, Alexander have done enough to proove it. Be proud of your nation Rhezus, religion doesnt matter and doesnt change the blood.
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Post by Rhezus on May 18, 2008 9:23:22 GMT -5
;D ;D Ioan, you suffer of same Balkan dogma-paranoya. Plus, you're talking without knowing a single thing about me.. And for me religion is nothing.. I don't pay any attention to such an unadequate oldtime bull.shi.t. Religion has brought not more than wars, hate and antagonism. And listern carefully.. I'm agnostic and that suits me just fine.. Not orthodox, not muslim or a jew! Are you happy now?! P.S. Being Bulgarian is ok with me.. but I'm not any stepp-bulgar.
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Post by terroreign on May 18, 2008 15:58:19 GMT -5
Ioan is a bulgarian chauvinist, and arxileas a greek chauvinist, its all clear
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Post by ioan on May 19, 2008 9:34:24 GMT -5
I agree that organized religion is part of the past, I believe the belief system is more important: knowing there is a force irrestpectful if u call it Budda, God or Allah, trying to be better person, respecting others, embracing their differences. I think pretty much thats what the modern person believes in. So in that sense I agree with Rhezus. As for terro, I must say u re among thebiased persons on those forum, u re anti Serb, anti Greek, anti Bulgarian (being that pro FYROMian, when everyone and their dog knows fyroms used to be Bulgarians). I m not chauvinist, try realist. I know now the fyroms do exist, but they are recently created nation and that is a fact.
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